Desperate? To get people in church

[Bubbles]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36806795

Go in looking for Picachu, find Jesus instead 

[Hope]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36806795

Go in looking for Picachu, find Jesus instead 

Why is it any more desparate than shops or other cultural entities offering themselves as Pokestops.  The number of people we have through our church door who, when asked about their experience, say that it was nothing like they had expected.  None of the tub-thumping, finger-wagging, cold-shouldering that they feel when they see churches and congregations represented on TV, etc. 

[Leonard James]

None of the tub-thumping, finger-wagging, cold-shouldering that they feel when they see churches and congregations represented on TV, etc.

But the same reason-numbing, daft stories.

[Hope]

But the same reason-numbing, daft stories.

No more so than some of the hypothetical evolutionary stories that are taught in schools without any solid evidence.

[Gordon]

No more so than some of the hypothetical evolutionary stories that are taught in schools without any solid evidence.

Such as?

[Hope]

Such as?

Currently there is no definitive link between humanoids and other animals.  In schools, the idea is taught as fact,whereas it should be being taught as a hypothesis until such time as a link is actually found.

[Gordon]

Currently there is no definitive link between humanoids and other animals.

What do you mean by both 'humanoid' and 'other animals'?

For instance, are you referring to the science showing the shared ancestry between say 'Homo' (just us these days) and 'Pan' (chimpanzees and bonobos), along with the evolution of primates - or are you referring to different 'other animals'?

In schools, the idea is taught as fact,whereas it should be being taught as a hypothesis until such time as a link is actually found.

I'm not sure about what is being taught in schools, but since my elder grandson is 14 and in 3rd year at secondary school I'll ask him let me see the material on this.

Evolution is an observed fact though, and the TofE is the current provisional hypothesis that explains these facts - so are you saying that the considerable body of science behind evolutionary biology (on which the school syllabus is presumably based) is wrong, or are you saying that schools are misrepresenting the 'Theory' aspect?

I'm not clear on what point you are trying to make here.
 

[Owlswing]

Why is it any more desparate than shops or other cultural entities offering themselves as Pokestops.  The number of people we have through our church door who, when asked about their experience, say that it was nothing like they had expected.  None of the tub-thumping, finger-wagging, cold-shouldering that they feel when they see churches and congregations represented on TV, etc.

We don't have to go to church for the tub-thumping, finger-wagging, cold-shouldering - we get it in this forum! Mentioning no names, of course!

[Owlswing]

Currently there is no definitive link between humanoids and other animals.  In schools, the idea is taught as fact,whereas it should be being taught as a hypothesis until such time as a link is actually found.

Thanks Hope, you have just gone from and know-it-all, know everybody to a certified ID nut-case!

[Hope]

Thanks Hope, you have just gone from and know-it-all, know everybody to a certified ID nut-case!

In that case, perhas you ought to inform the various scientists that I know and who tell me this kind of thing that they, too, are 'ID nut-cases'.  As I am not an expert in this particular field, I have to rely on those who are.

[Hope]

We don't have to go to church for the tub-thumping, finger-wagging, cold-shouldering - we get it in this forum! Mentioning no names, of course!

I know, I suffer from their consequences quite a lot.

[torridon]

Currently there is no definitive link between humanoids and other animals.  In schools, the idea is taught as fact,whereas it should be being taught as a hypothesis until such time as a link is actually found.

eh?

Have you been living in a cave for the last 150 years ? Evolutionary theory is not a hypothesis it is a theory, the difference being that is founded on evidence and no other theory in science stands on the same depth and breadth of evidence as evolutionary theory.  If you are going to dismiss evolutionary theory as 'not proved' then you must dismiss the entirety of all scientific knowledge as not proved as science doesn't even pretend to deal in proofs

[Humph Warden Bennett]

What do you mean by both 'humanoid' and 'other animals'?

For instance, are you referring to the science showing the shared ancestry between say 'Homo' (just us these days) and 'Pan' (chimpanzees and bonobos), along with the evolution of primates - or are you referring to different 'other animals'?

I'm not sure about what is being taught in schools, but since my elder grandson is 14 and in 3rd year at secondary school I'll ask him let me see the material on this.

Evolution is an observed fact though, and the TofE is the current provisional hypothesis that explains these facts - so are you saying that the considerable body of science behind evolutionary biology (on which the school syllabus is presumably based) is wrong, or are you saying that schools are misrepresenting the 'Theory' aspect?

I'm not clear on what point you are trying to make here.

We are wandering off subject here!

The genus which throws the spanner into the theory is the extinct man ape genus Paranthropus This is really a science thread subject

[floo]

I doubt the churches which preach the ghastly, 'you must be born again, or else', dogma are going to offer themselves as Pokestops. Wow that would have made having to go to church a lot more fun when I was a kid. Listening to those unpleasant sermons, which lasted for nearly two hours was my idea of hell!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

We don't have to go to church for the tub-thumping, finger-wagging, cold-shouldering - we get it in this forum.

Yeh......from you.

[Sassy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36806795

Go in looking for Picachu, find Jesus instead 

I really do not believe there is a connection to finding Christ whilst looking for Picachu.

Playing a game somewhere will not lead you to Christ.

We view things differently... whatever activity you do and wherever you do it, won't lead you to Christ.
Only the search for truth about God can lead us to Christ. Someone who wants to know the truth for the sake of it.

[Owlswing]

In that case, perhas you ought to inform the various scientists that I know and who tell me this kind of thing that they, too, are 'ID nut-cases'.  As I am not an expert in this particular field, I have to rely on those who are.

Why did I never doubt that you "Know (scientists) who tell me this kind of thing"!

Please give me their names and addresses and I WILL tell them that, in my opinion, they are ID nut-cases and I will post a copy of each my letters on here!

[Owlswing]

I know, I suffer from their consequences quite a lot.

This from Tub-thumper #2!

[Owlswing]

Yeh......from you.

Thank you Tub-thumper #3 - and no. I am NOT Tub-thumper #1 - she has just returned from suspension!

[floo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36814165/man-in-new-zealand-quits-his-job-to-play-pokemon-go-full-time

A little off topic! The guy must have several screws loose!

[Brownie]

I doubt the churches which preach the ghastly, 'you must be born again, or else', dogma are going to offer themselves as Pokestops. Wow that would have made having to go to church a lot more fun when I was a kid. Listening to those unpleasant sermons, which lasted for nearly two hours was my idea of hell!

Very unsuitable for children.  Churches were not child-friendly when we were kids, apart from Sunday school which was generally quite nice.   Expecting children to sit in church for two hours is appalling.  I wouldn't do it now never mind when I was a kid, I'd have kicked up such a big fuss. 

As for long sermons, they are often more about the ego of the speaker than anything else.  A short homily is quite sufficient, thank you.

[Owlswing]

from: Hope on Today at 08:36:04


    In that case, perhas you ought to inform the various scientists that I know and who tell me this kind of thing that they, too, are 'ID nut-cases'.  As I am not an expert in this particular field, I have to rely on those who are.

Why did I never doubt that you "Know (scientists) who tell me this kind of thing"!

Please give me their names and addresses and I WILL tell them that, in my opinion, they are ID nut-cases and I will post a copy of each my letters on here!

Come on Hope - names and addresses please!

[Sebastian Toe]

Currently there is no definitive link between humanoids and other animals.

citation please.
..and what would a 'definitive link' look like exactly?

[BeRational]

In that case, perhas you ought to inform the various scientists that I know and who tell me this kind of thing that they, too, are 'ID nut-cases'.  As I am not an expert in this particular field, I have to rely on those who are.

Please give their  names and locations and let's see how quickly we can get them sacked.

[Owlswing]

Please give their  names and locations and let's see how quickly we can get them sacked.

A better proposal than mine and just as unlikely to get a response from Mr Dodgit!