Brexit: maybe democracy isn't such a good idea after all...?

[bluehillside Retd.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li7wNTkL-dY

[jeremyp]

I'm pretty sure that is a spoof. There are other videos in the series like the pizza one where you have to think she is acting. Nobody could be that stupid and still find their way to the polling station.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Perhaps - seems pretty genuine though.

If it is, worrying innit?

[SusanDoris]

Perhaps - seems pretty genuine though.

If it is, worrying innit?

Yes. It's a bit like that 'brexit street' item (on PM Radio 4). I turned off as soon as it started yesterday. To hear people talking about their reasons for voting out has dented my incurable optimism!

[SusanDoris]

Today I listened, because the interviewer was speaking to asylum seekers who are living there. I hope some of the other residents were listening too; they might then perhaps make an effort to get to know for example the young nan from Eritrea who is working hard to improve his English so that he can attend nursing training as soon as his papers are processed.

[Ricky Spanish]

Democracy works fine, but only if the government isn't corrupted.

[jeremyp]

Democracy works fine, but only if the government isn't corrupted.

No, democracy will get rid of a corrupt government. However, it does need the media to be in a healthy state so that the people are properly informed of the corruption.

[Sassy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li7wNTkL-dY

Weeks behind.... watched it weeks ago.

Deliberate and not really funny. But in her way she was saying she would know where her food came from being able to buy British from our own Farmers. Know the source and know it was good because of our high food quality control standards.

Truth is Britain had to come out to keep in with end time Prophecy.  Also the Government oppressed the poor and was highly unlikely to succeed in oppressing them even more by allowing in the influx of greater numbers of people.

We are Britain the UK. We want to remain independent and like the USA able to trade where and to whom we want.

There is no protection being in the EU and there is no way we can be ruled by a power outside that which is within our own borders.

EVEN the Queen was believed to have said: " I see no point in us being in the EU!"

Neither do I, nor many others see the point.  Hence they voted out.  All the EU has done is make this Countries poor, disabled and elderly worse off.

[floo]

I am still very much of the opinion we will be much worse off out of the EU, we need each other.

[L.A.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li7wNTkL-dY

It sounds fairly typical of the people I know who voted LEAVE.

[Harrowby Hall]

Truth is Britain had to come out to keep in with end time Prophecy.  Also the Government oppressed the poor and was highly unlikely to succeed in oppressing them even more by allowing in the influx of greater numbers of people.

Does your medical advisor know that you are taking these psychoactive substances?

We are Britain the UK. We want to remain independent and like the USA able to trade where and to whom we want.

Never heard of TTIP then?

There is no protection being in the EU and there is no way we can be ruled by a power outside that which is within our own borders.

Delusive nonsense.

EVEN the Queen was believed to have said: " I see no point in us being in the EU!"

There is a difference between "the queen is believed to have said" and "the queen said". What is the origin of your believed statement? What is its veracity?

All the EU has done is make this Countries poor, disabled and elderly worse off.

Objective, documentary, referenced evidence please.

[Sebastian Toe]

Truth is Britain had to come out to keep in with end time Prophecy. 

How do you make that out?
Please show your working.

[Brownie]

Seb, you would be surprised how many people believe the very same.
Here is a link to a site which explains the theory - especially if you scroll down a bit.

http://www.seekingtruth.co.uk/europe.htm

I can't get my head around it because, for a start, the book of Revelation is so full of symbolism anything can be read into it.  People who believe in the above also make connections with Palestine/Israel, the rise of Islam and various other world happenings.

[floo]

When I was a kid I remember my Father reading some crazy book, written by an idiot who thought the fantasy book of Revelation predicted all sorts of things relevant to modern times.  This guy stated we would never join the EU in the first place!

[Nearly Sane]

Seb, you would be surprised how many people believe the very same.
Here is a link to a site which explains the theory - especially if you scroll down a bit.

http://www.seekingtruth.co.uk/europe.htm

I can't get my head around it because, for a start, the book of Revelation is so full of symbolism anything can be read into it.  People who believe in the above also make connections with Palestine/Israel, the rise of Islam and various other world happenings.

I'd have quite a lot of respect if a Christian sect just rejected Revelation as drivel.

[L.A.]

I'd have quite a lot of respect if a Christian sect just rejected Revelation as drivel.

Revelation is believed to have been written by John of Patmos. The Patmos islands are well know for their hallucinogenic mushrooms.

[Nearly Sane]

In the new Testament, it's the equivalent of Jimmy Saville outside a primary school, all sweaty and perverse.

[L.A.]

In the new Testament, it's the equivalent of Jimmy Saville outside a primary school, all sweaty and perverse.

Revelation always reminds me of "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner" which is known to have been written by a man on drugs.

e.g.

". . .

The very deep did rot: O Christ!
That ever this should be!
Yea, slimy things did crawl with legs
Upon the slimy sea.

About, about, in reel and rout
The death-fires danced at night;
The water, like a witch's oils,
Burnt green, and blue and white.

And some in dreams assurèd were
Of the Spirit that plagued us so;
Nine fathom deep he had followed us
From the land of mist and snow.

And every tongue, through utter drought,
Was withered at the root;
We could not speak, no more than if
We had been choked with soot.

Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the Albatross
About my neck was hung.

. . ."

[Brownie]

I'd have quite a lot of respect if a Christian sect just rejected Revelation as drivel.

I was taught that Revelation/Apocalypse was written in code by John, exiled on Patmos, as warning to his fellow Christians who were facing persecution at that time.  They, presumably, would have understood what he was talking about.

It was considered to be a dangerous book because of the potential for individual interpretation and there was much debate about whether or not to include it in the Bible.   There were other apocalyptic works which were deemed far more dangerous so in the end, Revelation as we know it, was included.

When I was at school way back, in RE we were told not to think too much about Revelation and study the rest of the Bible  !  Not quite in those words of course but we were discouraged from reading it (probably because study of Rev needed a slot to itself and we'd have learned nothing else).

It certainly is a very controversial book open to endless interpretations, many of which I have learned about since posting on Christian forums and which leave me gobsmacked. 

LA I lurve 'The Ancient Mariner', it is beautifully, depressingly hope-less.  (Also makes me think of John Cleese selling Albatross, with or without wafers, from an ice cream tray during the interval at 'Monty Python Live at Drury Lane'.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PJix23IeF8 )

[Sassy]

Does your medical advisor know that you are taking these psychoactive substances?

You mean does the end time prophecies actually come true?
Yep! Micheal Wilkinson told of the uniting of countries and the one monetary union well before the EU existed.
He also foretold Greece going belly up on their loan and the banks closing.
You need to read all material available it helps to be educated in these matters before opening a clanging manhole.

Never heard of TTIP then?

So we cannot control our own food safety and banking safety guards as well as trade?
Remind me again just how Greece was able to find themselves unable to pay their loan and had to close their banks?
It didn't work them and it doesn't work now. All about power and you cannot gain control of the UK if it isn't in.

Delusive nonsense.

Tell Greece that... tell us why they were not safe and why they could not afford to pay their loan and the financial difficulties we had to bail them out from.

LIKE our ex prime-minister you believed we would cut ourselves a better deal when we helped USA to take control when the union failed. WRONG... they would have wanted singular control and we would have handed it to them on plate.
Just as foreign countries now charge us for our own fuel and water. Whose brilliant idea was that to make us pay for our own fuel through the eyes and nose. Keep talking to yourself, but at least try dipping your toe into reality now and again.

There is a difference between "the queen is believed to have said" and "the queen said". What is the origin of your believed statement? What is its veracity?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/21/queen-asks-guests-to-give-her-3-reasons-why-britain-should-remai/

The Queen was asking her dinner guests for three good reaons why we should remain in europe.
It was during one of these conversations when talking the Queen is believed to have said she could see no reason for us remaining. But you did not even know she had been asking for 3 good reasons to remain.

The remark came from a tv program I was watching and the Queen was believed to have made the comment one week before the vote.

Objective, documentary, referenced evidence please.

It is a little like the religion threads... Asking for what you purposely refuse to look for yourself.
If you were not so narrow minded and only looking for things to support your own ideas and wants. You might actually be able to collect all the information out there and base your decision upon the wider facts available. But you make up your mind without all the facts as your replies clearly show.

[Sassy]

How do you make that out?
Please show your working.

As I just pointed out to HH. If you wanted the facts that is all the facts you would have looked and known about these things yourself and the person/s who revealed the prophecies and the bible references.

King James Bible
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

In every age the truth stands.

[Brownie]

Which Michael Wilkinson, the costume designer, OU lecturer, Telegraph journalist, LSE professor?  There are probably more.

There is a David Wilkerson and you may mean him.  From the link below it would seem he is the sort of chap to talk about end times, I'd never heard of him before.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/a-40-year-old-david-wilkerson-prophecy-is-being-fulfilled-right-in-front-of-our-eyes

[Nearly Sane]

Which Michael Wilkinson, the costume designer, OU lecturer, Telegraph journalist, LSE professor?  There are probably more.

There is a David Wilkerson and you may mean him.  From the link below it would seem he is the sort of chap to talk about end times, I'd never heard of him before.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/a-40-year-old-david-wilkerson-prophecy-is-being-fulfilled-right-in-front-of-our-eyes

Yes, I thought that Sassy might have had a predictive text issue
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Wilkerson

[Aruntraveller]

Yes, I thought that Sassy might have had a predictive text issue
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Wilkerson

You would have that with his ability for prophecy he would have avoided the car crash that killed him 

[Brownie]

Oh poor soul, RIP. Still never heard of him but wouldn't want anyone to have a car accident, the very thought terrifies me.
I didn't know people had predictive text issues on the internet  , shows how ignorant I am, thought it was only on text messaging.
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Sassy:  "...the Queen was asking her dinner guests for three good reaons why we should remain in europe.
It was during one of these conversations when talking the Queen is believed to have said she could see no reason for us remaining. ...."


I too heard of this.  The Queen wanted as much information, and opinion, as possible.  She also asked her guests for three good reasons why the UK should leave the EU.  She did not give her own opinion, maybe she was like many others and wasn't sure of the implications whichever way the vote went.  No doubt she also asked the same questions of her many relatives amongst the crowned and uncrowned heads of Europe.  None of it makes much difference though.