Brexit: maybe democracy isn't such a good idea after all...?

[Aruntraveller]

Oh poor soul, RIP. Still never heard of him but wouldn't want anyone to have a car accident, the very thought terrifies me.
I didn't know people had predictive text issues on the internet  , shows how ignorant I am, thought it was only on text messaging.

If you post from your smartphone, which I occassionally do, it can throw in the odd mistake.

[Sebastian Toe]

As I just pointed out to HH. If you wanted the facts that is all the facts you would have looked and known about these things yourself and the person/s who revealed the prophecies and the bible references.

King James Bible
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

In every age the truth stands.

I asked YOU.
I cannot be expected to have read everything said by each end times prophecy nutter can I?
Who is Michael Wilkinson anyway? I can find a costume designer with that name, is he dressing up his prophecies?
 

Please show  your working.

[Brownie]

Understand now.  Don't have a smart 'phone, have an old 'phone.

[Harrowby Hall]

Oh the profound irony.

You delve into your book of myths and legends and come up with:

And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive

and do not realise that it could well be describing your own behaviour on this forum.

[Sassy]

You would have that with his ability for prophecy he would have avoided the car crash that killed him 

You really think that is a suitable reply?
What about President Lincoln who saw his own death in a dream and did not avoid it?
Maybe they had somewhere else they preferred to be. Where you going when you die?

It is his prophecies which are coming true...

[Sassy]

I asked YOU.
I cannot be expected to have read everything said by each end times prophecy nutter can I?
Who is Michael Wilkinson anyway? I can find a costume designer with that name, is he dressing up his prophecies?
 

Please show  your working.

I did my study of Michael in the 70's you get your own information.

[Sebastian Toe]

I did my study of Michael in the 70's you get your own information.

Can we just clarify the correct name of the person to whom you refer.
In order that I can do some research.

[Brownie]

I found this book:

Global Pentecostal Movements: Migration, Mission, and Public Religion, edited by Michael Wilkinson, Leiden and Boston: Brill, 2012, 237 pp., ISBN: 978 900 423546 5,

and this:

Global Pentecostal Movements: Migration, Mission, and Public Religion, edited by Michael Wilkinson, Leiden and Boston: Brill, 2012, 237 pp., ISBN: 978 900 423546 5,

Michael Wilkinson Phd, Professor of Sociology and Religion  Ottowa

Maybe that is the Michael Wilkinson discussed here.
He's written quite a lot of books.

[Sebastian Toe]

I found this book:

Global Pentecostal Movements: Migration, Mission, and Public Religion, edited by Michael Wilkinson, Leiden and Boston: Brill, 2012, 237 pp., ISBN: 978 900 423546 5,

and this:

Global Pentecostal Movements: Migration, Mission, and Public Religion, edited by Michael Wilkinson, Leiden and Boston: Brill, 2012, 237 pp., ISBN: 978 900 423546 5,

Michael Wilkinson Phd, Professor of Sociology and Religion  Ottowa

Maybe that is the Michael Wilkinson discussed here.
He's written quite a lot of books.

Maybe it is but I  would rather be sure rather than wasting time looking up the wrong fella!

[Brownie]

Yeah, true  .  There isn't much information about him anyway, only about his books.  This is him: 
http://twu.ca/directory/faculty/michael-wilkinson.html

Maybe Sassy will come back and tell us if it is the same guy.

Thinking about it, this guy is a bit young - Sass said she had researched him in the 1970s (blimey, she was very young then too!), so he probably isn't the right man.  Wish I hadn't found him now  , but there's no-one else of that name, with the same interests, that I can find on the internet.

The late David Wilkerson, on the other hand, about whom there is abundant information, seems to fit the bill.

[bluehillside Retd.]

NS,

Yes, I thought that Sassy might have had a predictive text issue

Very, very good 

[Aruntraveller]

You really think that is a suitable reply?
What about President Lincoln who saw his own death in a dream and did not avoid it?
Maybe they had somewhere else they preferred to be. Where you going when you die?

It is his prophecies which are coming true...

Yes i think its a suitable reply.

Im not going anywhere when i die. Like tthe rest of us i'll decompose in some fashion. Still an upside of it will be that i'll be free of fuckwits who put any credence in zeeing the future.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

It is his prophecies which are coming true...

How do you know that? What investigation have you done about this chap's "prophesies" that didn't come true in order to decide that the ones that did weren't just dumb luck in the same proportion as you'd expect from any other list of guesses?

Beware the Baltimore stock picker!

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jun/13/how-not-to-be-wrong-hidden-maths-jordan-ellenberg-review

 

[Nearly Sane]

NS,

Very, very good 

Glad someone appreciated it.

[Harrowby Hall]

What about President Lincoln who saw his own death in a dream and did not avoid it?

A fable. This is a story that first saw the light of day about twenty years after his death, and is probably an elaboration of several different events. He did not foresee his own death.

He did recall dreams and try to impose some meaning on them - apparently he repeatedly dreamt of sailing at very high speed, sometimes before important events such as battles.

[jeremyp]

You really think that is a suitable reply?

It seemed pretty on the point to me.

[Sassy]

Can we just clarify the correct name of the person to whom you refer.
In order that I can do some research.

Nah! It is on the references on the internet.
I have always called him Wilkerson or Wilkinson because I often forget which one it is. But I know if I do internet referral it gives the correct name.

So look up both.

[Brownie]

We've done that and it is Mr Wilkerson about whom you are speaking.  As you say there's a lot of information about him.  Now I can't remember why his name came up  , I'll have to read back a bit.

[Maeght]

What has David Wilkerson got to do with Brexit?

[Brownie]

You mean does the end time prophecies actually come true?
Yep! Micheal Wilkinson told of the uniting of countries and the one monetary union well before the EU existed.
He also foretold Greece going belly up on their loan and the banks closing.
You need to read all material available it helps to be educated in these matters before opening a clanging manhole.



So we cannot control our own food safety and banking safety guards as well as trade?
Remind me again just how Greece was able to find themselves unable to pay their loan and had to close their banks?
It didn't work them and it doesn't work now. All about power and you cannot gain control of the UK if it isn't in.

Tell Greece that... tell us why they were not safe and why they could not afford to pay their loan and the financial difficulties we had to bail them out from.

LIKE our ex prime-minister you believed we would cut ourselves a better deal when we helped USA to take control when the union failed. WRONG... they would have wanted singular control and we would have handed it to them on plate.
Just as foreign countries now charge us for our own fuel and water. Whose brilliant idea was that to make us pay for our own fuel through the eyes and nose. Keep talking to yourself, but at least try dipping your toe into reality now and again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/21/queen-asks-guests-to-give-her-3-reasons-why-britain-should-remai/

The Queen was asking her dinner guests for three good reaons why we should remain in europe.
It was during one of these conversations when talking the Queen is believed to have said she could see no reason for us remaining. But you did not even know she had been asking for 3 good reasons to remain.

The remark came from a tv program I was watching and the Queen was believed to have made the comment one week before the vote.


It is a little like the religion threads... Asking for what you purposely refuse to look for yourself.
If you were not so narrow minded and only looking for things to support your own ideas and wants. You might actually be able to collect all the information out there and base your decision upon the wider facts available. But you make up your mind without all the facts as your replies clearly show.

This is how he came up, Maeght, though the name was wrong at the start which led to confusion.

[Maeght]

This is how he came up, Maeght, though the name was wrong at the start which led to confusion.

Thanks Brownie, saved a lot of ''searching'. So he predicted Greece (actually 'a European or North African or Eastern nation is going to default on its international loan') followed by Mexico defaulting (or 'probably Argentina or Brazil'). What a wonderfully accurate prophecy and not something anyone else could possibly have thought might happen (Mexico having defaulted before and not being exactly a stable financial country) - of course, it must be divine prophecy. Surely that can't be it can it?

[Sebastian Toe]

Nah! It is on the references on the internet.
I have always called him Wilkerson or Wilkinson because I often forget which one it is. But I know if I do internet referral it gives the correct name.

So look up both.

I have looked up both and I can find no references to either Michael Wilkinson or Michael Wilkerson in conjunction with prophecy and Greece as described by you.

Yep! Micheal Wilkinson told of the uniting of countries and the one monetary union well before the EU existed.
He also foretold Greece going belly up on their loan and the banks closing.

I did my study of Michael in the 70's you get your own information.

So are you still going to be so uncharitable and not point to something, anything which directly identifies the Michael (Wilkerson/Wilkinson) to whom you refer?

[Brownie]

Seb, look at Maeght's post above yours!  She has sussed what Mr Wilkerson was on about.

[Maeght]

Seb, look at Maeght's post above yours!  She has sussed what Mr Wilkerson was on about.

Sorry - which post?

[Brownie]

Your post #45, Maeght (I know you were being tongue in cheek).