Brexit: maybe democracy isn't such a good idea after all...?

[Harrowby Hall]

Thanks Brownie, saved a lot of ''searching'. So he predicted Greece (actually 'a European or North African or Eastern nation is going to default on its international loan') followed by Mexico defaulting (or 'probably Argentina or Brazil'). What a wonderfully accurate prophecy and not something anyone else could possibly have thought might happen (Mexico having defaulted before and not being exactly a stable financial country) - of course, it must be devine prophecy. Surely that can't be it can it?

A typical religious scammer.

He identified about a third of the planet. And the deluded and the credulous just lapped it up.

[Brownie]

It's a sad business.  I'd never heard of him before this thread but there are many others like him, they have a target audience that they exploit but I am not going to go on about it any more because we are all vulnerable at times.  Makes me want to weep.

[Maeght]

Your post #45, Maeght (I know you were being tongue in cheek).

Ooops sorry - I read it that I should read Seb's post above mine, rather than the other way around - been a long day!

[Sebastian Toe]

Seb, look at Maeght's post above yours!  She has sussed what Mr Wilkerson was on about.

Nope, that can't be the correct person.
Sassy has explained that he got the surname confused,which given the similarities is quite understandable.  However she has explicitly used the Christian name Michael,  twice. As we know, Sassy couldn't possibly get that wrong, (twice) given the level of accuracy that she consistently provides here.
Michael,  David.  David,  Michael,  not possible surely!
Not from little miss perfect.

So I will await her response if you don't mind. 

[Maeght]

Sassy Quote: From other thread

It is David Wilkerson just wondered how long you will go on not seeing what is in front of you.
All of you knew but none wanted to speak the truth.
When I first searched for MICHAEL Wilkerson then David came up.

It was left in but none of you admitted to the deliberate error because you would have had to admit that he really did prophecy somethings going back 20 years or more.

It shows how far each will allow something to go on because they know to reveal the truth makes them answerable to his preaching and prophecies.

WHY couldn't you admit to finding the real name when you first googled?

I found it when I first googled but so did you.  Yet none of us said anything did we>?

Bah!

A number of people posted that it was David Wilkerson, including me. Spotting that 'deliberate error' doesn't mean people accept that he did prophesies anything.

[Sassy]

Nope, that can't be the correct person.
Sassy has explained that he got the surname confused,which given the similarities is quite understandable.  However she has explicitly used the Christian name Michael,  twice. As we know, Sassy couldn't possibly get that wrong, (twice) given the level of accuracy that she consistently provides here.
Michael,  David.  David,  Michael,  not possible surely!
Not from little miss perfect.

So I will await her response if you don't mind. 

In the years past the real Brownie  has been involved in discussions and even knows the book he is most famous for. The cross and the switchblade.

Funny how someone claiming only to have read very little
condemns a Christian who was responsible for Nicky Cruz the leader of the gang called 'The Mau Maus' ... coming to Christ.
 He wrote the book  The cross and the Switchblade,

He was the founder of the addiction recovery program Teen Challenge, and founding pastor of the non-denominational Times Square
 Church in New York.

Wilkerson's widely distributed sermons, such as "A Call to Anguish", are known for being direct and frank against apostasy
 and serious about making the commitment to obey Jesus' teachings. He emphasized such Christian beliefs as God's holiness
and righteousness, God's love toward humans and especially Christian views of Jesus.
 Wilkerson tried to avoid categorizing Christians
 into distinct groups according to the denomination to which they belong.

The Brownie I knew had indeed heard of the author David Wilkerson.
I wasn't really paying much attention to her posts. Now I won't even be reading them I had to make sure and test the truth. David Wilkerson was no conman he really followed Jesus Christ and he has saved many young persons life from drugs and gang related activities.

A man who put his own life at risk to save young children on the street and the lives they would have taken had they remained there. What makes me weep is when people make false accusations against a man who only did good to others.

[Nearly Sane]

In the years past the real Brownie  has been involved in discussions and even knows the book he is most famous for. The cross and the switchblade.

Funny how someone claiming only to have read very little
condemns a Christian who was responsible for Nicky Cruz the leader of the gang called 'The Mau Maus' ... coming to Christ.
 He wrote the book  The cross and the Switchblade,
The Brownie I knew had indeed heard of the author David Wilkerson.
I wasn't really paying much attention to her posts. Now I won't even be reading them I had to make sure and test the truth. David Wilkerson was no conman he really followed Jesus Christ and he has saved many young persons life from drugs and gang related activities.

A man who put his own life at risk to save young children on the street and the lives they would have taken had they remained there. What makes me weep is when people make false accusations against a man who only did good to others.

The Real Sassy knew he was called David Wilkerson, not Michael Wilkinson, so who are you?

[Sebastian Toe]

In the years past the real Brownie  has been involved in discussions and even knows the book he is most famous for. The cross and the switchblade.

Funny how someone claiming only to have read very little
condemns a Christian who was responsible for Nicky Cruz the leader of the gang called 'The Mau Maus' ... coming to Christ.
 He wrote the book  The cross and the Switchblade,
The Brownie I knew had indeed heard of the author David Wilkerson.
I wasn't really paying much attention to her posts. Now I won't even be reading them I had to make sure and test the truth. David Wilkerson was no conman he really followed Jesus Christ and he has saved many young persons life from drugs and gang related activities.

Pardon?!
What the fuck are you on about?
Either you got the name wrong and didn't have the good grace to admit it.

Or
... you lied (aka 'tested the truth' 'deliberate error').

If you are really that anally retentive that you cannot , ever admit to being wrong, then you need pity, lots of it. 

[Sassy]

The Real Sassy knew he was called David Wilkerson, not Michael Wilkinson, so who are you?

I explained about the surname issue. And I have been honest about the first name issue.
Never denied knowing about him. Nor have I done anything to get someone banned deliberately.

I was being  honest and upfront. I guess it was the fact everyone using Michael.

I am very tired a lot. My own health issues and my daughters give me cause for forgetting things or not realising something I wrote is not quite right.

In the last year or so two people left the forum abruptly without any explanation and as if something about to come out.

Given this mans true history and track record of helping addicts, homeless kids and gang members escape becoming murderers and addicts tell me why someone would character assassinate him who says they believe in Christ and love God?

I think the reality is something you need to question not cast dispersions.
I was concentrating more on the surname got caught up but also seeing what God was doing and showing me behind the scenes took a lot of my attention.

[Nearly Sane]

I explained about the surname issue. And I have been honest about the first name issue.
Never denied knowing about him. Nor have I done anything to get someone banned deliberately.

I was being  honest and upfront. I guess it was the fact everyone using Michael.

I am very tired a lot. My own health issues and my daughters give me cause for forgetting things or not realising something I wrote is not quite right.

In the last year or so two people left the forum abruptly without any explanation and as if something about to come out.

Given this mans true history and track record of helping addicts, homeless kids and gang members escape becoming murderers and addicts tell me why someone would character assassinate him who says they believe in Christ and love God?

I think the reality is something you need to question not cast dispersions.
I was concentrating more on the surname got caught up but also seeing what God was doing and showing me behind the scenes took a lot of my attention.

You were arguing that people should investigate someone whose name you got wrong. You are telling people off for being wrong for not understanding whom you meant. I am not casting 'dispersions. You did.
Michael was used because you used it, nothing else.

I have no problem with people making mistakes, I make them all time. But you spent some time on this thread berating people for not being able to do research on someone whose first and second names you got wrong. If you want the courtesy extended to you for being wrong, then you owe them an apology.

Oh and BTW there is no comment in my post about you trying to get anyone banned. Please retract .

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

Given this mans true history and track record of helping addicts, homeless kids and gang members escape becoming murderers and addicts tell me why someone would character assassinate him who says they believe in Christ and love God?

No-one has "character assassinated" him. I've no idea whether or not he did these things, but I have no reason to doubt that he did. Your claim though was that he was able accurately to prophesise future events - something that's almost certainly not the case. If you have evidence to contrary though, why not produce it?

[Brownie]

I don't know the 'Sword and the Switchblade' though the name sounds familiar -  but I do remember having read 'Run, Baby Run' by Nicky Cruz.  He probably mentioned Wilkerson, I can't remember the details of the book now having read so many over the years.  I completely gave up reading any books of a religious nature a very long time ago because I'd overdosed on them, after a time they all ran into eachother and my head was buzzing.  That's something I've stated many, many times on forums!  Much prefer a novel.

Anyway I am not doubting what Sassy says, she tells the truth but, honestly, David Wilkerson's name and story did not ring any bells with me.  There are countless stories of evangelistic preachers with tales of saving people from lives of sin, and healings, in print and on the internet  & honestly I can't be bothered with them.  Earlier on I said it all made me very sad and that I wasn't going to revisit the subject, I wish I had stuck to that but I will now.  Nothing new for me to say in any case.

I need calm in my life and am quite happy with my relationship with God without the help of televangelists.  Neither do I care if Sassy reads my posts or not, past caring frankly. 

[Sassy]

You were arguing that people should investigate someone whose name you got wrong. You are telling people off for being wrong for not understanding whom you meant. I am not casting 'dispersions. You did.
Michael was used because you used it, nothing else.

I have no problem with people making mistakes, I make them all time. But you spent some time on this thread berating people for not being able to do research on someone whose first and second names you got wrong. If you want the courtesy extended to you for being wrong, then you owe them an apology.

Don't you find that a little two faced?

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Re: Brexit: maybe democracy isn't such a good idea after all...?
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2016, 04:42:02 PM »
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Yeah, true  .  There isn't much information about him anyway, only about his books.  This is him: 
http://twu.ca/directory/faculty/michael-wilkinson.html

Maybe Sassy will come back and tell us if it is the same guy.

Thinking about it, this guy is a bit young - Sass said she had researched him in the 1970s (blimey, she was very young then too!), so he probably isn't the right man.  Wish I hadn't found him now  , but there's no-one else of that name, with the same interests, that I can find on the internet.

The late David Wilkerson, on the other hand, about whom there is abundant information, seems to fit the bill.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2016, 06:37:49 PM by Brownie »

AT ANY TIME YOU COULD HAVE POINTED THIS POST OUT, AS INDEED ANY ONE OF YOU COULD HAVE DONE. Hence I was correct in your deliberately ignoring the truth in the thread posts.

So at any time any of you could have asked me if it I meant David Wilkerson.

Why didn't you?

[Sassy]

Sassy,

No-one has "character assassinated" him. I've no idea whether or not he did these things, but I have no reason to doubt that he did. Your claim though was that he was able accurately to prophesise future events - something that's almost certainly not the case. If you have evidence to contrary though, why not produce it?

Brownie


« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2016, 05:16:02 PM »
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It's a sad business.  I'd never heard of him before this thread but there are many others like him, they have a target audience that they exploit but I am not going to go on about it any more because we are all vulnerable at times.  Makes me want to weep.

He exploited no one....

[Nearly Sane]

Don't you find that a little two faced?

AT ANY TIME YOU COULD HAVE POINTED THIS POST OUT, AS INDEED ANY ONE OF YOU COULD HAVE DONE. Hence I was correct in your deliberately ignoring the truth in the thread posts.

So at any time any of you could have asked me if it I meant David Wilkerson.

Why didn't you?

No, I don't see reply 22 from me.


You have told others on this thread for not doing research on someone whose name you got wrong. So why don't you owe them an apology? If you should be forgiven for making mistakes, then when people like Seb Toe are not sure who you jean because you got it wrong, and the possibility you got it wrong was coveted in reply 21 and 22, from Brownie and me, surely you owe them an apology for not being sure whom you meant when you got it wrong?

[Sassy]

No, I don't see reply 22 from me.


You have told others on this thread for not doing research on someone whose name you got wrong. So why don't you owe them an apology? If you should be forgiven for making mistakes, then when people like Seb Toe are not sure who you jean because you got it wrong, and the possibility you got it wrong was coveted in reply 21 and 22, from Brownie and me, surely you owe them an apology for not being sure whom you meant when you got it wrong?

I think your dreaming then you fall face down in your breakfast.

[Nearly Sane]

I think your dreaming then you fall face down in your breakfast.

I forgive you

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

He exploited no one....

First, perhaps you didn't read that post properly. Here's the relevant part again:

"...but there are many others like him, they have a target audience that they exploit..."

I've put the key words on bold so you don't miss them this time.

Second, again your claim was that he prophesised stuff. As you've just ignored that most relevant part, have you changed your mind about that?

[Sassy]

I forgive you

Ha Ha 

[Sassy]

Sassy,

First, perhaps you didn't read that post properly. Here's the relevant part again:

"...but there are many others like him, they have a target audience that they exploit..."

I've put the key words on bold so you don't miss them this time.

Second, again your claim was that he prophesised stuff. As you've just ignored that most relevant part, have you changed your mind about that?

Past your bedtime Blue. Now be a good boy and go straight back to sleep.

[Nearly Sane]

Ha Ha 

I don't understand why you laugh at forgiveness?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

Past your bedtime Blue. Now be a good boy and go straight back to sleep.

I forgive you too.

[Sebastian Toe]

I think your dreaming then you fall face down in your breakfast.

Pathetic. 

[Sebastian Toe]

Ha Ha 

Moderator

Insult removed, can we try and avoid comments that are merely insults

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no worries

then how about...


Pathetic.

??

[Sebastian Toe]

So at any time any of you could have asked me if it I meant David Wilkerson.

Why didn't you?

Do you mean like this........?

The late David Wilkerson, on the other hand, about whom there is abundant information, seems to fit the bill.

Don't you find that a little two faced?