Brexit: maybe democracy isn't such a good idea after all...?

[Sassy]

I don't understand why you laugh at forgiveness?

May be the same reason you believe you don't require it, yet offer it to others.
It isn't difficult to work out.

[Nearly Sane]

May be the same reason you believe you don't require it, yet offer it to others.
It isn't difficult to work out.

I have often asked for forgiveness. So please do not misrepresent me.

[Sassy]

I have often asked for forgiveness. So please do not misrepresent me.

You have asked God for forgiveness?
You know what I was referring to. I did not misrepresent you or anything you said.
I just assumed you knew what you were talking about. Only God can forgive sins.
As I have not sinned against you what other reason could you be offering forgiveness for?

I believe I have shown you had no reason for this last comment.

God forbid you must think anyone thinks you can have a normal conversation with a Christian
without appearing to remain civil.

I have no such hang ups it isn't a game for me being a believer.  I really do have a relationship with God and I have nothing to prove about my faith to others.
Nothing to sustain because it is real to me. I am sad you could not maintain a civil and polite conversation. If you must falsely accuse me, there is nothing that can be said to change your mind and your intent to bring it to an unfruitful end. Good night.

[Sebastian Toe]

You have asked God for forgiveness?

You think that NS believes in your God?
If not then your point is utterly meaningless. 

[Nearly Sane]

You have asked God for forgiveness?
You know what I was referring to. I did not misrepresent you or anything you said.
I just assumed you knew what you were talking about. Only God can forgive sins.
As I have not sinned against you what other reason could you be offering forgiveness for?

I believe I have shown you had no reason for this last comment.

God forbid you must think anyone thinks you can have a normal conversation with a Christian
without appearing to remain civil.

I have no such hang ups it isn't a game for me being a believer.  I really do have a relationship with God and I have nothing to prove about my faith to others.
Nothing to sustain because it is real to me. I am sad you could not maintain a civil and polite conversation. If you must falsely accuse me, there is nothing that can be said to change your mind and your intent to bring it to an unfruitful end. Good night.

You didn't mention god, you talked about never asking for forgiveness. I have done often so you misrepresent me. I have remained entirely civil here. Again please do not mispresent me. I feel deeply for you situation and forgive you for you doing this. I can only hope your life get's better.

[Sebastian Toe]

You didn't mention god, you talked about never asking for forgiveness. I have done often so you misrepresent me. I have remained entirely civil here. Again please do not mispresent me. I feel deeply for you situation and forgive you for you doing this. I can only hope your life get's better.

^^^^
A good example of remaining cool and civilised when dealing with a difficult 'customer'!

[floo]

I read the Cross and the Switchblade years ago, I didn't like it. Wilkerson was just another of  those extremist Christians who fill their sycophants with a load of unsupportable garbage!

[Spud]

I've met Nicky Cruz (briefly after attending a talk he gave).

[floo]

I've met Nicky Cruz (briefly after attending a talk he gave).

Another extremist evangelist the world could do without!

[Brownie]

As I couldn't sleep last night I spent some time reading up on David Wilkerson and was not unimpressed with his early work with members of violent street gangs.  He certainly wasn't a 'big name' then, starting in 1958, just an ordinary guy who, with his wife, gave up a relatively secure and comfortable life to work helping violent young men.  He was prompted to do this after reading about a particularly violent murder committed by two boys who were gaoled for life.  As he came from an extremely humble background himself he felt some affinity with these young men.

Nicky Cruz who wrote 'Run Baby Run' was someone on whom he had a great influence, helping him to change his life.  One may dislike Nicky Cruz's ethos in many respects but he was certainly better for leaving gang life behind.

I make no mention of Wilkerson's faith, prophecies (one of which was there will be big earthquakes in Japan  ), evangelism, or the business with his son about which I found no more than we have already discussed;  only the work he chose to do which struck me as commendable.  He's not the only one of course and no-one needs a religious faith to feel strongly about helping others, however religious faith takes nothing away from what he did early on in his career.

Reminds me somewhat of Jackie Pullinger whose work with drug addicts has been truly remarkable.

[Sassy]

You think that NS believes in your God?
If not then your point is utterly meaningless. 

Get a grip of yourself, man.

You cannot have it both ways. Decide now. You are educated enough to know what the course of the discussion was in the light of Christianity or you will remain uneducated and asking meaningless questions which won't be answered because quite frankly you haven't the ability to learn when explained.

Which is it?  I am all ears or should that be eyes to see if you can sincerely and honestly answer the above.

[Sassy]

You didn't mention god, you talked about never asking for forgiveness. I have done often so you misrepresent me. I have remained entirely civil here. Again please do not mispresent me. I feel deeply for you situation and forgive you for you doing this. I can only hope your life get's better.

What were you forgiving me for?

Well, you see you have to show something done wrong and why it is wrong if you were really not using those words with anything to do with religion  and don't use a law or religion to accuse of wrong not even a moral one because we all know the laws are based and were based on the bible teachings of right and wrong. Floor is yours.

[floo]

Sass if you really believe in your version of god,  maybe you should be asking its forgiveness for making the faith look stupid, which many of your posts do. You give the impression you are always right and the rest of us, including some Christians, are wrong. No one is perfect, we are all humans and make mistakes, I make plenty! If I was a Catholic I would be spending 99.9% of my time in confession!

[ippy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li7wNTkL-dY

This is typical of all sorts of interview type programs where the person making the interview has a bias, hang on to any inarticulate people that phone in that oppose the views of show host and drop the articulate ones that oppose the hosts P O V like hot bricks.

The BBC interviewers are instructed about this technique within their basic training.     

ippy

[Sebastian Toe]

Get a grip of yourself, man.

You cannot have it both ways. Decide now. You are educated enough to know what the course of the discussion was in the light of Christianity or you will remain uneducated and asking meaningless questions which won't be answered because quite frankly you haven't the ability to learn when explained.

Which is it?  I am all ears or should that be eyes to see if you can sincerely and honestly answer the above.

I am educated to know that you are talking bullocks.
You are so far up your own backside that you can't see the wood for the entire fecking amazon forest.