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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2016, 08:29:41 PM »
If I was a Yank I wouldn't vote for either candidate, but is Trump any worse than Bush, Obama or Clinton? The answer is no. From an international perspective Obama and Clinton are no better than Bush. Nay, they didn't even calm things down but went ever deeper into the Middle-East, namely Lybia and Syria, caused ISIS, created the refugee crisis and helped bring a group of neo-fascists into power in Ukraine.
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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2016, 08:43:25 PM »
If I was a Yank I wouldn't vote for either candidate, but is Trump any worse than Bush, Obama or Clinton? The answer is no. From an international perspective Obama and Clinton are no better than Bush. Nay, they didn't even calm things down but went ever deeper into the Middle-East, namely Lybia and Syria, caused ISIS, created the refugee crisis and helped bring a group of neo-fascists into power in Ukraine.
Nothing to do with Russia, no, sirree, just observing going noting, no bombing, no invading tra la,  tra la

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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2016, 08:46:56 PM »
And your point is? Do you even have one?
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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2016, 08:51:31 PM »
And your point is? Do you even have one?
That you ignore Russia's actions continually. Was fairly obvious. From last post.

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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2016, 08:58:02 PM »
I never said Russia was without blame. Likewise I could ask why you ignore the West's blatant involvement. But really this is just a side issue. My point was that Trump is no worse than Bush, Obama and Clinton. Still wouldn't vote for him. He's still a neo-liberal.
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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2016, 09:10:12 PM »
I never said Russia was without blame. Likewise I could ask why you ignore the West's blatant involvement. But really this is just a side issue. My point was that Trump is no worse than Bush, Obama and Clinton. Still wouldn't vote for him. He's still a neo-liberal.
except he seems uncontrolled and openly racist and talks nonsense about walls. I doubt he is a neo liberal just a random shouter
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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2016, 09:52:03 PM »
If I was a Yank I wouldn't vote for either candidate, but is Trump any worse than Bush, Obama or Clinton? The answer is no. From an international perspective Obama and Clinton are no better than Bush. Nay, they didn't even calm things down but went ever deeper into the Middle-East, namely Lybia and Syria, caused ISIS, created the refugee crisis and helped bring a group of neo-fascists into power in Ukraine.

If you were a 'Yank' you would have a totally different world view; to many Americans Trump is a saviour. From the perspective of the rest of the 'Western World' he is potentially a very dangerous character - but who knows? we live in rapidly changing times. Is it better to  intervene militarily in a conflict or not - who knows?, there are consequences either way.
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« Reply #57 on: August 27, 2016, 03:09:41 AM »
Farage seems to have gone down well with Trump supporters in the USA.  He addressed a Republican party rally to resounding applause, Trump welcomed him and his 'message of hope'.  So Le Farage lives on and has found a kindred spirit  ::).
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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #58 on: August 27, 2016, 07:43:35 AM »
If you were a 'Yank' you would have a totally different world view; to many Americans Trump is a savoir.

I'm puzzled. No way can I see Trump as a savoir.  Did you mean saviour?


You may find this relevant:   http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37021991
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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #59 on: August 27, 2016, 07:56:36 AM »
I'm puzzled. No way can I see Trump as a savoir.  Did you mean saviour?


You may find this relevant:   http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37021991

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« Reply #60 on: August 27, 2016, 08:28:26 AM »
I never said Russia was without blame. Likewise I could ask why you ignore the West's blatant involvement. But really this is just a side issue. My point was that Trump is no worse than Bush, Obama and Clinton. Still wouldn't vote for him. He's still a neo-liberal.

Trump is dangerous, he appears to have mental health problems, and  would put the whole world in jeopardy if he was President, imo. Obama is one of the best Presidents in recent times.

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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #61 on: August 27, 2016, 08:33:28 AM »
Trump is dangerous, he appears to have mental health problems, and  would put the whole world in jeopardy if he was President, imo. Obama is one of the best Presidents in recent times.
why do think Obama has been a good president?

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« Reply #62 on: August 27, 2016, 08:48:31 AM »
why do think Obama has been a good president?
Yes ! There are quite a few links describing how but here's one with citations.

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/
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« Reply #63 on: August 27, 2016, 09:01:29 AM »
why do think Obama has been a good president?

He seems to want to reform a number of things which are wrong with the US like their crazy gun laws and their healthcare.   It is a great pity he doesn't get much more support for them from congress and the senate.

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« Reply #64 on: August 27, 2016, 09:12:53 AM »
I don't think Donald Trump has mental health problems (at least not more than most), he has just  tapped into a particular zeitgeist, rather like Nigel Farage has done in our little country.  Neither do I think he is racist on a personal level.  It's all about pandering to the electorate, or a particular section of that at a given time. When this is all over and Mr Trump goes back to doing what he is best at, we'll be able to see that clearly. 

I think it would be quite a different matter if he eventually became President but I'm hopeful that will not happen.

Obama has been a great President, a tough act to follow.  Yes, people are disappointed he hasn't achieved more but what president of the United States can push forward their ideology as if they stand alone?  No president is completely independent. In all honesty, it night be very dangerous if she/he was.  Obama has done well and will go down in history as a being a lot more than the first black person to hold the office, something most of us have virtually forgotten.

(Earlier on someone asked why Ad_O was not criticising Russia.   Russia was not being discussed at that time which is as good a reason as any but do people think, because, eg, Ad_O is Orthodox, that he considers  Russia to be above criticism?  Ridiculous, like saying Anglicans can never say anything against UK.)
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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #65 on: August 27, 2016, 09:14:25 AM »
He seems to want to reform a number of things which are wrong with the US like their crazy gun laws and their healthcare.   It is a great pity he doesn't get much more support for them from congress and the senate.
so one of the things you think make him one of the best presidents in recent times is that he wasn't able to do anything on.

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« Reply #66 on: August 27, 2016, 09:19:46 AM »
I think Sarah Palin AKA Bernadette from TBBT is frightened Donald might move to the left on immigration.

Donald I think likes the rally's etc which cease after the election so I can see disappointment if he were to win election.

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« Reply #67 on: August 27, 2016, 09:22:19 AM »
I don't think Donald Trump has mental health problems (at least not more than most), he has just  tapped into a particular zeitgeist, rather like Nigel Farage has done in our little country.  Neither do I think he is racist on a personal level.  It's all about pandering to the electorate, or a particular section of that at a given time. When this is all over and Mr Trump goes back to doing what he is best at, we'll be able to see that clearly. 

I think it would be quite a different matter if he eventually became President but I'm hopeful that will not happen.

Obama has been a great President, a tough act to follow.  Yes, people are disappointed he hasn't achieved more but what president of the United States can push forward their ideology as if they stand alone?  No president is completely independent. In all honesty, it night be very dangerous if she/he was.  Obama has done well and will go down in history as a being a lot more than the first black person to hold the office, something most of us have virtually forgotten.

(Earlier on someone asked why Ad_O was not criticising Russia.   Russia was not being discussed at that time which is as good a reason as any but do people think, because, eg, Ad_O is Orthodox, that he considers  Russia to be above criticism?  Ridiculous, like saying Anglicans can never say anything against UK.)
You seem to be referring to me since I was the one that mentioned Russia. First I didn't ask ad_o why he didn't criticise Russia, rather I raised the point that where he had effectively blamed all of the current issues in the Middle East and Ukraine on America this would be incorrect and that Russia also had some responsibility.

Secondly I didn't do it because of his religion but because of his history of posting pro Russian and anti American comments. 

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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #68 on: August 27, 2016, 11:01:25 AM »
Yes ! There are quite a few links describing how but here's one with citations.

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

This list is very impressive.

I think that I would add that part of his greatness is that he is a man of transparent decency, an honourable man, a clearly loving husband and father. These are qualities that set him out from many of his predecessors.

Perhaps being preceded by George W Bush, with his business connections and seeming lack of intelligence, means that he would not have had to try very hard to appear to be good, but I think that Barack Obama's great strength is that he is a fine human being.
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« Reply #69 on: August 27, 2016, 11:37:49 AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37203285

Trump's doctor should be struck off, Trump is mentally unstable if the way he behaves is an indication of his mental health!

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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #70 on: August 27, 2016, 12:05:10 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37203285

Trump's doctor should be struck off, Trump is mentally unstable if the way he behaves is an indication of his mental health!
what is your expertise in mental health matters for you to make such a diagnosis?

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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #71 on: August 27, 2016, 02:30:01 PM »
That's quite funny (the link), but I don't see Trump as mentally ill.

(NS, I get your point about Russia etc)
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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #72 on: August 27, 2016, 03:07:36 PM »
I see the nasty Farage is supporting the equally nasty Trump, racist birds of a feather!
Talking more bollocks Floo!!!

He is not supporting Trump, if you listen to his speech at the meeting it is about how the elites/bankers have destroyed the peoples' livelihoods and disenfranchised their lives from their societies' standards of living. This group 'peoples' I assume includes you, judging by your Leftie antics so you should be supporting those who want to destroy the venal political elites and bankers.

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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #73 on: August 27, 2016, 03:11:54 PM »
Farage seems to have gone down well with Trump supporters in the USA.  He addressed a Republican party rally to resounding applause, Trump welcomed him and his 'message of hope'.  So Le Farage lives on and has found a kindred spirit  ::).
Did you actually listen to Farage's speech? Or is this just more bollocks from the Lefties.

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Re: The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump
« Reply #74 on: August 27, 2016, 03:17:15 PM »
so one of the things you think make him one of the best presidents in recent times is that he wasn't able to do anything on.
He's murdered thousands of innocent people with his drone attacks, give the man his due - what do you think the Nobel peace prize was for?