The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump

[Nearly Sane]

See #130

which says nothing to avoid Trump rally - Support Trump. What colour is the sky in your world?

[Nearly Sane]

Your point being....

if you think Tory donors don't support elites, .. .

[jeremyp]

It's about understanding where Farage has been coming from over the years*,

He's coming from being an ex-merchant banker with his snout in the trough of the EU gravy train.

* no doubt some twat will come up with some stupid response to that.

I came up with the true response which is better than you have managed with your mythical grand plan.

[jeremyp]

he resigned as UKIP leader.

But not as an MEP because it pays better and you don't have to engage in damage control all the time.

[floo]

Why can't Knave understand what is obvious to the rest of us, the love affair between Farage and Trump who come out of the same rotten mould? Trump is still on about building a huge wall across the Mexican border to deter migrants. How much would that cost the US tax payer if such a structure was possible? Maybe Farage would like to see a Great Channel Wall!

[Brownie]

But not as an MEP because it pays better and you don't have to engage in damage control all the time.

It's really quite ironic that Farage 'Remains' an MEP. 

Floo, Trump is talks a lot of hot air, in reality he would not be able to build a wall across the Mexican border.  Though he has quite a lot of support that would be too huge an undertaking, as well as cost he'd face enormous opposition.  He might like to build one in his dreams.

[floo]

It's really quite ironic that Farage 'Remains' an MEP. 

Floo, Trump is talks a lot of hot air, in reality he would not be able to build a wall across the Mexican border.  Though he has quite a lot of support that would be too huge an undertaking, as well as cost he'd face enormous opposition.  He might like to build one in his dreams.

Farage doesn't want to lose his gravy train!

Let's just hope the American people realise Trump is talking out of the seat of his pants!

[Bubbles]

Farage doesn't want to lose his gravy train!

Let's just hope the American people realise Trump is talking out of the seat of his pants!

What bothers me is the otherwise sensible Americans who hate Hilary Clinton to the point where they will vote for Donald Trump.

 

This morning on the news Donald Trump was talking about throwing out any undocumented immigrants.

First they have to find them, then they have to sort out who is and who isn't American.

As long as it's not, you look faintly non white who said you could be here?

It's such a big country how are they going to monitor who is a natural immigrant and who isn't ?

After all apart from the native Americans they are all flippin immigrants.

He is aiming his election at a white audience IMO.

[Brownie]

Without doubt, Rose.   It's all too ridiculous because he will not be able to achieve his objectives if he is (perish the thought) elected, but he is whipping up a lot of emotional support amongst American blue collar workers.  I suppose they feel he and they have something in common whereas, in reality, they do not, they are poles apart in every conceivable way (background, education, money etc) and, in personal life and business dealings, Trump doesn't give a monkey's what colour someone is.

If Mr Trump does become President the collective disappointment will be so much greater than that felt by Obama supporters, at least no-one can say Obama has been dishonest or hasn't tried.   However I doubt Trump cares about that, he is on such an ego trip.

[floo]

What bothers me is the otherwise sensible Americans who hate Hilary Clinton to the point where they will vote for Donald Trump.

 

This morning on the news Donald Trump was talking about throwing out any undocumented immigrants.

First they have to find them, then they have to sort out who is and who isn't American.

As long as it's not, you look faintly non white who said you could be here?

It's such a big country how are they going to monitor who is a natural immigrant and who isn't ?

After all apart from the native Americans they are all flippin immigrants.

He is aiming his election at a white audience IMO.

Anyone who votes for Trump doesn't have an ounce of sense, he appeals to racists and anti-gays.

Of course all white Americans ancestors were immigrants at one time.

[ippy]

I thought of Trump today I'm having a more powerful extractor fan fitted into our bathroom and I thought if Trump got too near to it, it might whip up his taupe, it's a worry, I'm getting a bit thin on top now; the things you have to worry about as you get older, I don't know?

ippy     

[floo]

Trump seems to get more barking mad with each utterance. I watched his latest ravings on the lunchtime news. He claims Mexico will pay for his wall, but they haven't discussed it yet!

[Brownie]

The Mexicans could pay for the wall and put little sections of bricks with no cement around them in certain places.

[ippy]

The Mexicans could pay for the wall and put little sections of bricks with no cement around them in certain places.

I think you'll find you've forgotten about the size of their hats Brownie.

ippy

[SweetPea]

No it is not. He was there for another reason which is clearly made apparent by the content of his speech.

What Jack is saying is that Farage's speech was about recognising that the bankers and global corporatism are behind everything, and that we need to wake-up to this, unite, and beat them at their own game.

[Brownie]

I doubt anyone at the rally listening to Nigel Farage got that point, SP, and I doubt that is the subtle meaning that Jack was hinting at though he will correct me if am wrong.

Trump and Farage are representative of those who control everything of course and I doubt the audience gave that a thought either.

So Trump and Farage will join forces to unite everyone to beat themselves at their own game (with themselves at the helm of course)?  Laughable really.

[SweetPea]

I doubt anyone at the rally listening to Nigel Farage got that point, SP, and I doubt that is the subtle meaning that Jack was hinting at though he will correct me if am wrong.

Trump and Farage are representative of those who control everything of course and I doubt the audience gave that a thought either.

So Trump and Farage will join forces to unite everyone to beat themselves at their own game (with themselves at the helm of course)?  Laughable really.

I disagree, Brownie. I'm sure that many listening to Farage's speech recognised what he was saying.

They are, of course, both controlled opposition.

[Nearly Sane]

What Jack is saying is that Farage's speech was about recognising that the bankers and global corporatism are behind everything, and that we need to wake-up to this, unite, and beat them at their own game.

And this from an ex hedge manager who supports less regulation

[Brownie]

I disagree, Brownie. I'm sure that many listening to Farage's speech recognised what he was saying.

They are, of course, both controlled opposition.

You're entitled to you opinion of course and you may be right for all I know but it would be interesting to know from where you get the information behind the opinions. 

Are Nigel Farage and Donald Trump secretly shape changing lizards I wonder, and are we ready for a Worldwide Wakeup?

[SweetPea]

You're entitled to you opinion of course and you may be right for all I know but it would be interesting to know from where you get the information behind the opinions. 

Are Nigel Farage and Donald Trump secretly shape changing lizards I wonder, and are we ready for a Worldwide Wakeup?

Re opinions.... from various parts of the internet.

Many are waking up. But it's a gradual process (probably just as well). And folk come to it in their own time.

[SweetPea]

Brownie, for what it's worth, I'm not keen on Trump or Hillary.

For the life of me, I can't see how a nation, the size of the USA, can only come up with these two as presidential candidates.

[Nearly Sane]

Re opinions.... from various parts of the internet.

Many are waking up. But it's a gradual process (probably just as well). And folk come to it in their own time.

especially if they are anti Semitic

[Brownie]

Trump and Farage aren't anti-semitic, as far as I know.  Neither are they Jewish so they wouldn't inspire antisemitism.  Therefore - I don't follow the reference to antisemitism.

I do remember seeing something a while ago about Trump supporting Israel - so he isn't antisemitic, unless that was just another vote catching publicity stunt.

It does seem odd in a country where the population is generally so politically minded in comparison to ours, that only two candidates have any prominence.

(David Icke and the like are having a field day.)

[Nearly Sane]

Trump and Farage aren't anti-semitic, as far as I know.  Neither are they Jewish so they wouldn't inspire antisemitism.  Therefore - I don't follow the reference to antisemitism.

I do remember seeing something a while ago about Trump supporting Israel - so he isn't antisemitic, unless that was just another vote catching publicity stunt.

It does seem odd in a country where the population is generally so politically minded in comparison to ours, that only two candidates have any prominence.

(David Icke and the like are having a field day.)

no but Sweetpea is, and thinks they are puppets of world orders run by Rothschilds, but just referred to as Steins

[Aruntraveller]

It does seem odd in a country where the population is generally so politically minded in comparison to ours, that only two candidates have any prominence.

I think that is perhaps a perception rather than a fact - voter turnout in presidential elections is actually lower than turnout in our own general elections.

In 2012 it was 57.5%, 2008 62.3% and similar in 2004.

Our view is perhaps skewed by the extensive coverage we get of the primaries and then the election itself. The primaries I am informed by my American friends are not representative of anyone except of the  hardcore supporters of the parties.

In 2010 the turnout at the UK GE was 65.11% - not brilliant granted but better than the US.