The Core of What Bothers Me About Donald Trump

[Brownie]

I sort of worked out where SP was coming from but really wanted to be wrong so was deliberately vague.
Here's something that might be of interest, about someone who broadcasts and has a site devoted to various theories:

https://thinkprogress.org/alex-jones-advising-donald-trump-1b3e0e27f48d#.90buj2aq3

This is his site:  http://www.infowars.com/category/featured-stories/

[Nearly Sane]

Alex Jones is a loon.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/sep/01/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-correct-austins-alex-jones-said-no/

[Brownie]

Appeals to those who are obsessive and don't get out much.

[floo]

This Presidential campaign is the worst I can remember. The loons are all crawling out of the woodwork!

[Brownie]

Having slept on this one, I think I was a bit harsh last night.

It's very difficult to be completely insulated from outside influences, particularly since the advent of the internet.  You and I post links because we've read something that we consider to be pertinent, the difference is we take it all with a pinch of salt (most of the time), but there must be times when we are impressed with something that anyone else would consider off the wall.

There's nothing we can do about the outcome of the USA election, interesting as it is and it will all be over soon.  We've enough to deal with here atm!

(Btw, I know it was me who posted Alex Jones links  , but I was not endorsing him, just posting as an example.)

[Harrowby Hall]

Brownie, for what it's worth, I'm not keen on Trump or Hillary.

For the life of me, I can't see how a nation, the size of the USA, can only come up with these two as presidential candidates.

Judging American political circumstances by European political standards will not get you very far. The determining factor in the presidential race is money - an who has access to it. Donald Trump has financed much of his own campaign from his own resources. The Clinton family may not be quite as well financially as it used to be.

But if you haven't any access to large sums of money, forget it.

The presidential contest is a popularity contest between two millionaires.

[SweetPea]

especially if they are anti Semitic

Nearly, we've been through this before. I'm not anti-Jew but anti-Zionism. Most Zionists are either Christian Zionists or crypto-Jews and are not a true representation of the Jewish people. The term 'anti-Semetic' was originally coined by Zionists to be used against people they didn't like. I've shown this link before, from the (true) Torah Jews on anti-Semitism:

http://www.truetorahjews.org/antisemitism

[SweetPea]

Brownie, I don't follow Alex Jones.... he's controlled opposition. I've studied the work of real historians.

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Harrowby, I'm with you on that one. Yes, eg. Jimmy Carter and the Bush family, but where does Obama fit in. He didn't come to the presidency with wealth.

[Enki]

Brownie, I don't follow Alex Jones.... he's controlled opposition. I've studied the work of real historians.

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Harrowby, I'm with you on that one. Yes, eg. Jimmy Carter and the Bush family, but where does Obama fit in. He didn't come to the presidency with wealth.

I notice with some interest that you have amended the above post, and that. in the original post, you included the name of Eustace Mullins as one of the 'real historians' that you have studied.

Surely not the Eustace Mullins who supported Senator Joseph McCarthy in his aim to rid The US of communism, not the Eustace Mullins who was cited as a 'neo-Fascist' by the House Un-American Activities Committee, not the Eustace Mullins who expressed a belief that America owed a debt to Hitler, not the Eustace Mullins who 'in a tract called The Secret Holocaust, stated that the accepted account of the Holocaust is implausible, calling it a cover story for Jewish-led Soviet massacres of Christians and anti-communists'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustace_Mullins

Of course not. You must have meant someone else of the same name.

[Enki]

Nearly, we've been through this before. I'm not anti-Jew but anti-Zionism. Most Zionists are either Christian Zionists or crypto-Jews and are not a true representation of the Jewish people. The term 'anti-Semetic' was originally coined by Zionists to be used against people they didn't like. I've shown this link before, from the (true) Torah Jews on anti-Semitism:

http://www.truetorahjews.org/antisemitism

It is interesting that you claim that the word 'antisemitic' was coined by 'Zionists to be used against people they didn't like'.

Both these sources disagree with you, one being the Encylopaedia Britannica. Both suggest that the term was first used by a certain Wilhelm Marr, a German radical, nationalist and race-agitator in 1879.


https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-Semitism

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=anti-Semitism

[Brownie]

SP, you are digging a hole for yourself.
I, and I am sure many of us here, accept there are things that go on which are kept from us by people in powerful positions, and there are probably several groups of elite 'brotherhood', but conspiracy theorists like Eustace Mullins are merely the other side of the coin.

Studying the work of serious historians is great but they are human beings who promote their own opinions; you only have to look at our popular historians, such as David Starkey and Mary Beards,  to see how they differ in their interpretations of events and historical figures.  Never mind historians who specialise in church history, they are famous for rewriting history and elevating historical figures to sainthood - or the opposite, depending on their own agenda.

Sitting in front of a computer and reading the words of conspiracy theorists on the internet doesn't do anything except fill your head with material which is not good for mental health.  Better to take it all with a pinch of salt, cautiously deal with what you actually know, limited as it may be, then think about something else.

Enki has commented on your other post, he's obviously researched the subject at least as well as you.

[jeremyp]

What Jack is saying is that Farage's speech was about recognising that the bankers and global corporatism are behind everything, and that we need to wake-up to this, unite, and beat them at their own game.

Farage used to be a banker and Trump runs a global corporation.

[Harrowby Hall]

Harrowby, I'm with you on that one. Yes, eg. Jimmy Carter and the Bush family, but where does Obama fit in. He didn't come to the presidency with wealth.

Obama was attended Havard Law School, was a practising civil rights lawyer and a university law teacher, before becoming a US senator. I don't suppose he was short of a bob or two. He organised his finance in his presidential campaign by attracting small donations from a very large support network. His support for the presidency came from his popularity as a politician in Illinois.

[Brownie]

Obama is not in the same financial league as someone like Trump, he was a highly paid professional like many other people.  I think that was part of his appeal actually, not a multimillionaire but a clever, hard working family man who was at the top of his profession.  I will really be sorry to see him go but that is straying from the topic.

[Harrowby Hall]

I will really be sorry to see him go but that is straying from the topic.

So shall I.

Barack Obama is a decent man. And that sets him apart from many of his predessors.

However, the need for a potential president to have the means to fund his or her campaign is - at least - paradoxical in a nation that prides itself as an exemplar of democracy.

[floo]

Obama is not in the same financial league as someone like Trump, he was a highly paid professional like many other people.  I think that was part of his appeal actually, not a multimillionaire but a clever, hard working family man who was at the top of his profession.  I will really be sorry to see him go but that is straying from the topic.

It is a great pity Obama was restricted to two consecutive terms in office.

[Bubbles]

Obama is not in the same financial league as someone like Trump, he was a highly paid professional like many other people.  I think that was part of his appeal actually, not a multimillionaire but a clever, hard working family man who was at the top of his profession.  I will really be sorry to see him go but that is straying from the topic.

I think Obama was one of the best Presidents they have ever had. 

I don't remember a better one. He comes across as someone who cares about people.

Donald Trump is coming across as the exact opposite and all ego.

The best president, unfortunately could be followed by the worst!

 

Part of what appeals about Obama as President, to me, is totally absent from Donald  Trump which is the core of what bothers me about Donald Trump!

So it isn't straying really.

[Brownie]

Floo:  It is a great pity Obama was restricted to two consecutive terms in office.

I agree with you in some respects floo because I admire him.  However that's the American way and there is a point to it;  if anyone is in power for too long, not only do they become somewhat 'stale' but they tend to think they can walk on water.  At least Obama can bow out with his integrity intact.

Imagine Donald Trump doing two terms in office and us discussing his presidency in ten years time  - aaargh!

[floo]

Floo:  It is a great pity Obama was restricted to two consecutive terms in office.

I agree with you in some respects floo because I admire him.  However that's the American way and there is a point to it;  if anyone is in power for too long, not only do they become somewhat 'stale' but they tend to think they can walk on water.  At least Obama can bow out with his integrity intact.

Imagine Donald Trump doing two terms in office and us discussing his presidency in ten years time  - aaargh!

The idea of Trump doing even one day as President is horrifying!

[Sriram]

Well...Hillary is unwell again! She stumbled at the 9/11 function and seems to have pneumonia.   Not good at all..!

[floo]

It is most concerning the news about Hillary Clinton's health. It wonder what would happen if she was unable to stand as the Democratic candidate?

[Harrowby Hall]

Well...Hillary is unwell again! She stumbled at the 9/11 function and seems to have pneumonia.   Not good at all..!

So?

Who is to say that Donald Trump won't have pneumonia next week? Are you suggesting that presidential candidates should have some natural immunity to common diseases which can be readily controlled with antibiotics? Are you suggesting that being ill with such a complaint should eliminate her from the presidential election?

[Sriram]

It is most concerning the news about Hillary Clinton's health. It wonder what would happen if she was unable to stand as the Democratic candidate?

She seems to have chronic health problems. If she gets elected as President and is unable to function for some reason, the country will have Tim Kaine as President...! Is that what they want? 

HH....the emphasis is on the word 'again'. Hillary seems to have chronic health issues and has often been seen stumbling, falling down, coughing etc.
Not a very healthy President! People could see this as a reason not to elect her.

[Sebastian Toe]

Not a very healthy President! People could see this as a reason not to elect her.

Didn't stop them electing FDR, 3 times!
Did it?

[Nearly Sane]

Didn't stop them electing FDR, 3 times!
Did it?

That was hidden from the electorate for most of the time, as was JFK's Addison's disease.

The real question is whether there is anything significant here or whether there is a specific set of rumours stitched together. I would suggest stating this as a fact that there is a set of health problems is beyond the knowledge of anyone on here. The odds have certainly changed today.