Twenty strange religious beliefs

[Spud]

Lyme disease is just a bacteria that has evolved to survive with ticks.

"Both the treponema that cause syphilis and the borrelia that cause Lyme disease contain only a fifth of the genes they need to live on their own. Related spirochetes that can live outside by themselves need 5,000 genes, whereas the spirochetes of those two diseases have only 1,000 genes in their bodies. The 4,000 missing gene products needed for bacterial growth can be supplied by wet, warm human tissue. This is why both the Lyme disease borrelia and syphilis treponema are symbionts—they require another body to survive" - Lynn Margulis (1938–2011)

Progressive genomic degradation and loss of function [since the Fall]. E.g. we have previously highlighted that parasites are noteworthy for being genetically depleted compared to free-living equivalents... http://creation.com/pandoraviruses

[ippy]

Personally, I believe that's how ecology works.

Something fills a niche, and something else tends to keep it in check.

That's one of the reasons some scientists are concerned, human beings have often been culled by disease when there are a lot of us.

Some scientists say it's just a matter of time, given how well viruses etc evolve, that one day something will dramatically reduce our numbers.

It's happened before, but now there are many more of us.

Lyme disease is just a bacteria that has evolved to survive with ticks.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Lyme-disease/Pages/Introduction.aspx#diagnosis


The reason it exists is it has evolved into a ecological niche, just like the rattlesnake.

Some people see an order in ecology, how the system works,  how animals adapt etc. Some call the order God or proof of God.

Some find it too ordered to have happened randomly

Others don't.

It's in the eye of the beholder.

And some can't or don't want  to see the evidence.

ippy

[jeremyp]

Then 'why' are there the ticks that cause this disease?

To give a purpose to rattlesnakes.

[Enki]

"Both the treponema that cause syphilis and the borrelia that cause Lyme disease contain only a fifth of the genes they need to live on their own. Related spirochetes that can live outside by themselves need 5,000 genes, whereas the spirochetes of those two diseases have only 1,000 genes in their bodies. The 4,000 missing gene products needed for bacterial growth can be supplied by wet, warm human tissue. This is why both the Lyme disease borrelia and syphilis treponema are symbionts—they require another body to survive" - Lynn Margulis (1938–2011)

Progressive genomic degradation and loss of function [since the Fall]. E.g. we have previously highlighted that parasites are noteworthy for being genetically depleted compared to free-living equivalents... http://creation.com/pandoraviruses

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13673-evolution-myths-mutations-can-only-destroy-information

[Bubbles]

And some can't or don't want  to see the evidence.

ippy

Like you for example!

 

[ippy]

Like you for example!

 

What evidence would that be Rose?

ippy

[Bubbles]

What evidence would that be Rose?

ippy

The evidence you reckon they don't or won't see 

People see the evidence Ippy, they just draw different conclusions.

Which is why it's in the eye of the beholder.

 

[floo]

"Both the treponema that cause syphilis and the borrelia that cause Lyme disease contain only a fifth of the genes they need to live on their own. Related spirochetes that can live outside by themselves need 5,000 genes, whereas the spirochetes of those two diseases have only 1,000 genes in their bodies. The 4,000 missing gene products needed for bacterial growth can be supplied by wet, warm human tissue. This is why both the Lyme disease borrelia and syphilis treponema are symbionts—they require another body to survive" - Lynn Margulis (1938–2011)

Progressive genomic degradation and loss of function [since the Fall]. E.g. we have previously highlighted that parasites are noteworthy for being genetically depleted compared to free-living equivalents... http://creation.com/pandoraviruses

What fall?

[Bubbles]

What fall?

The article spud quotes seems to be claiming that viruses are devolved and that rather than evolving genetically things are actually degrading. ( which is opposite to what scientists claim)

It seems to blame that on the biblical fall.

It probably ties in with the idea that man used to live a lot longer back in the time of Noah and before. ( I've read this elsewhere)

Methuselah and all that.

So presumably it's claiming that due to the biblical fall ( Adam and Eve, garden of Eden) our progression is backwards and genetics is degrading. That our lifespan has shortened since the early days of the bible.

Viruses and some diseases no longer being able to survive on their own because they have reached a point where they are no viable as a set of stand alone genetics.


It's another way of looking at the universe I suppose 

[ippy]

The evidence you reckon they don't or won't see 

People see the evidence Ippy, they just draw different conclusions.

Which is why it's in the eye of the beholder.

 

You appear to be nibbling around the periphery of the T of E, of which nobody has managed to overturn yet, other than the most minor of adjustments.

I think you will find all forms of life here on Earth started off as various forms of virus to which we are all related, if you go back far enough of course. 

It's no great shakes to have a read about and understand how evolution works, it might help if you were to have a look at some of it, the evidence that is.

ippy

[Bubbles]

You appear to be nibbling around the periphery of the T of E, of which nobody has managed to overturn yet, other than the most minor of adjustments.

I think you will find all forms of life here on Earth started off as various forms of virus to which we are all related, if you go back far enough of course. 

It's no great shakes to have a read about and understand how evolution works, it might help if you were to have a look at some of it, the evidence that is.

ippy

I already have Ippy, perhaps you could do with another look.

[floo]

The article spud quotes seems to be claiming that viruses are devolved and that rather than evolving genetically things are actually degrading. ( which is opposite to what scientists claim)

It seems to blame that on the biblical fall.

It probably ties in with the idea that man used to live a lot longer back in the time of Noah and before. ( I've read this elsewhere)

Methuselah and all that.

So presumably it's claiming that due to the biblical fall ( Adam and Eve, garden of Eden) our progression is backwards and genetics is degrading. That our lifespan has shortened since the early days of the bible.

Viruses and some diseases no longer being able to survive on their own because they have reached a point where they are no viable as a set of stand alone genetics.


It's another way of looking at the universe I suppose 

The A&E story doesn't have any credibility on any level.

[Udayana]

Since so many people have and do take the story at face value, it must have credibility at some level.

[jeremyp]

Since so many people have and do take the story at face value, it must have credibility at some level.

Why must it?

[Bubbles]

I see the story of A & E as the story of the first people to feel a sense of self responsibility and awareness of themselves and what we think of as " being human"

The ability to reflect on our death and awareness of our mortality. Our ability to control our environment, farming, etc.

This assumes other animals don't reflect on these things. They might, but they don't do, as we do.

There probably was never a literal Adam and Eve, but there might have been a growing awareness among a small group of families.

The story of Adam and Eve to me  symbolises mans evolvement from the other animals, to become self aware and capable of enormous  change to his environment.
The ability to interfere with the natural order to benefit humans, our creativity and desire to explore.
In that sense the story is credible to me.

I'm prepared to accept other primates may exhibit some of these qualities.

[ippy]

I already have Ippy, perhaps you could do with another look.

I do keep up to date but there hasn't been anything significant where the T of E needs any adjustment lately, so I stick with it as it is.

ippy
   

[Bubbles]

I do keep up to date but there hasn't been anything significant where the T of E needs any adjustment lately, so I stick with it as it is.

ippy
   

 I just look at it with interest Ippy.

I have no issue with having evolved from something else, perhaps considered not so grand, like alge.

[ippy]

Why must it?

Quite.

ippy

[ippy]

I just look at it with interest Ippy.

I have no issue with having evolved from something else, perhaps considered not so grand, like alge.

That's fine and dandy but what has the two mythical figures the A & E you're referring to got to do with, well anything?

ippy

[Brownie]

......I'm prepared to accept other primates may exhibit some of these qualities.

Like this one, Rose?

https://d.europe.newsweek.com/en/full/9993/justin-welby-interview.jpg?w=704

[Bubbles]

Like this one, Rose?

https://d.europe.newsweek.com/en/full/9993/justin-welby-interview.jpg?w=704

I just had a picture of Justin Welby, Brownie.

Have you a link to the article?   

[Bubbles]

That's fine and dandy but what has the two mythical figures the A & E you're referring to got to do with, well anything?

ippy

If you read my post above Ippy, 139 #you will find an answer to your question 

[Brownie]

Er...what I was trying to say was - Justin Welby is a primate.
Oh dear, lead balloon, I'll get me coat  .

[Bubbles]

Er...what I was trying to say was - Justin Welby is a primate.
Oh dear, lead balloon, I'll get me coat  .

Oh!

I didn't get it, me just being a bit thick Brownie 

 

No need to get your coat 

[Udayana]

Why must it?

credible  = "able to be believed; convincing"

So it must be credible to some. It doesn't mean that it is true, just that some people may think it is true, correctly or incorrectly.

Also: "at some level" - ie. allowing for some non-literal sense. eg. at a mythological "level".