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Nearly Sane

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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #175 on: September 04, 2016, 06:19:12 PM »
HH EXCELLENT points - these people that cover up so much of skin WILL suffer in the end.

We really should point out AGAIN how women have been kept 'in check' for many centuries & this is the modern version - the NIQAB or FULL face covering. Even a pet dog sees the light ?!!?!?

I have a very reliable english translation of The Quran from an 'approved by Muslims' author & I don't recall much more than  'dress modestly' ie 'Don't expose all your feminine flesh cos a man is WEAK !!! FACT !!!

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People who cover up will suffer in the end? Really? Given one of my closest dearest most loved friends died at 28 of skin cancer just permit me to find your post stupid and ignorant.

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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #176 on: September 04, 2016, 06:21:39 PM »
WTF are you on about ????
Humans generally need sunlight as our bodies can produce certain things only sunlight can give us.
What the hell this has to do with your poor friend is anyone's guess.
Now please reread my post.

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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #177 on: September 04, 2016, 06:26:13 PM »
WTF are you on about ????
Humans generally need sunlight as our bodies can produce certain things only sunlight can give us.
What the hell this has to do with your poor friend is anyone's guess.
Now please reread my post.
I have. You say people who cover up, without defining that will suffer. My friend died of not being covered up enough. You don't need to wear a bikini to survive.

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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #178 on: September 04, 2016, 06:58:19 PM »
YES I thought this was what you meant. Skin cancer I presume & I AM sorry about that.
It does happen to some...

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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #179 on: September 04, 2016, 07:01:26 PM »
YES I thought this was what you meant. Skin cancer I presume & I AM sorry about that.
It does happen to some...
Skin cancer, as I stated, no need to presume

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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #180 on: September 04, 2016, 09:36:52 PM »
I, too, am sorry to hear that. I lost a friend and colleague at the age 39 to malignant melanoma.

It does not alter the fact, however, that sunlight is essential - especially in children - for the synthesis of Vitamin D.

There are, apparently, children being diagnosed with rickets because they choose (or their parents prefer them) to play indoors with computers and the like rather than playing in the open air. And people with dark skin who live in the British Isles are at greater risk of rickets than people with fair skin. So-called "Islamic dress" increases that risk.
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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #181 on: September 04, 2016, 10:37:36 PM »
My wife and I had to to attend a series of lectures some 36 years ago where this subject was a part of the series.

We were informed then that the vitamin D issue was further back when the diet wasn't of the modern day standard, so now darker skined people don't now need the strong sunlight to be able to manufacture this vitamin.

I have to say that we have both been quite surprised where this subject has been brought to the fore over the last few years, in view of when we first heard about sunlight and vitamin D, were the authorities that badly informed those years ago, I havent heard of an out burst of rickits whithin the really black skinned people that have lived here for all or most of their lives.

Maybe black people living here have had vitamin D alined problems and we've not heard about it.

We usually notice anything about black issues as you would when you have black children; it tends to sharpen up your attention in this area.

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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #182 on: September 05, 2016, 12:39:44 AM »
I think the answer is moderate exposure to sunshine, ippy and HH.  The sort you get when going for a short walk to the shops and back, in your back garden, washing the car.  Children go out into the school grounds or playground at break times and ride their bikes at weekends and holidays. Half an hour or so a day minimum is recommended but certainly not hours of sun exposure to large expanses of your body, which some subject themselves to on the beach during holidays;  that is a common cause of malignant cancer amongst other things.

Your comments about black people and Vitamin D are interesting, ippy.
There are several articles on the internet about that very subject and here is one of them (ten years old) :
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/4/1126.full
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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #183 on: September 05, 2016, 09:02:16 AM »
An interesting paper, Brownie.

However, most burkha wearers are not of sub-Saharan African stock but are of Arab or Indian subcontinent origin. These people are all Caucasian like the fairer skinned northern Europeans. It would seem unlikely that the adaptations which have evolved in Africans have also evolved in a section of Caucasians.
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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #184 on: September 05, 2016, 09:54:26 AM »
HH EXCELLENT points - these people that cover up so much of skin WILL suffer in the end.

We really should point out AGAIN how women have been kept 'in check' for many centuries & this is the modern version - the NIQAB or FULL face covering. Even a pet dog sees the light ?!!?!?

I have a very reliable english translation of The Quran from an 'approved by Muslims' author & I don't recall much more than  'dress modestly' ie 'Don't expose all your feminine flesh cos a man is WEAK !!! FACT !!!

Nick
You are so vague in your posts that it is hard to verify if you are lying/ misrepresenting or just incompetent.

Can you please post the Chapter and verse where it says dress modestly.

Can you also post the chapter and verse where it says "'Don't expose all your feminine flesh cos a man is WEAK"
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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #185 on: September 05, 2016, 10:07:44 AM »
Vitamin D deficiency.

Anyone can suffer from it.

I've known people who have suffered from it.

http://www.healthline.com/health/vitamin-d-deficiency#Overview1

The sun isn't the only way of getting it.

You can buy it at the chemist or it's found in these foods

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fatty fish, such as mackerel, salmon, and tuna
beef
cheese
egg yolks
fish liver oils
mushrooms
However, food manufacturers often add or fortify foods with vitamin D. Examples include:

milk
breakfast cereals
yogurt
orange juice
margarine
Manufacturers also add vitamin D to some infant formulas to reduce the risk that infants will have low levels.

From above link



What you wear is not relevant if you eat the right foods and look after yourself.

All this fuss about what someone wears, just buy some from the chemist  :o

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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #186 on: September 05, 2016, 10:14:25 AM »
Did you know that between October and March none of us gets any vitamin D from the sun? ( see link below)

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vitamins-minerals/Pages/Vitamin-D.aspx

So women in burkas are only missing vitamin D from the sun between April - September anyway.

The answer is to eat healthy foods that contain vitamin D.

not fuss about what you wear, as far as vit D is concerned it's as if we all wear burkas for half the year anyway  ;)

If you cover up, just eat more tuna and eggs etc.

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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #187 on: September 05, 2016, 10:23:10 AM »
I agree with you in principle, Rose, and it is what I would do if I didn't get out at all but the fact is a small amount of sunshine is beneficial to health and not difficult to achieve.  Even a fair person will tolerate half an hour or so and I don't mean stripped down to swimwear, merely going about every day business.  Kids benefit from being outdoors some of the time anyway.

Plus buying supplements costs money and not everyone is sufficiently clued up on correct dosage.  Often different makes give different information.  Best to go to Boots, Lloyds or somewhere reputable like that.  Even then, individuals metabolise the vitamin at different rates and it is possible to have vitamin D toxicity.  Sunshine however is free and the only expertise needed is to use sunscreen if you're likely to be in it for a long time.  Sunscreen and high SPF lotions and creams do not stop the benefits of the sun.
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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #188 on: September 05, 2016, 12:33:44 PM »
I think the answer is moderate exposure to sunshine, ippy and HH.  The sort you get when going for a short walk to the shops and back, in your back garden, washing the car.  Children go out into the school grounds or playground at break times and ride their bikes at weekends and holidays. Half an hour or so a day minimum is recommended but certainly not hours of sun exposure to large expanses of your body, which some subject themselves to on the beach during holidays;  that is a common cause of malignant cancer amongst other things.

Your comments about black people and Vitamin D are interesting, ippy.
There are several articles on the internet about that very subject and here is one of them (ten years old) :
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/4/1126.full

Several members of my immediate family are involved in the health profession and I do manage to keep up to date, but thanks anyway brownie.

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« Reply #189 on: September 05, 2016, 12:55:21 PM »
I agree with you in principle, Rose, and it is what I would do if I didn't get out at all but the fact is a small amount of sunshine is beneficial to health and not difficult to achieve.  Even a fair person will tolerate half an hour or so and I don't mean stripped down to swimwear, merely going about every day business.  Kids benefit from being outdoors some of the time anyway.

Plus buying supplements costs money and not everyone is sufficiently clued up on correct dosage.  Often different makes give different information.  Best to go to Boots, Lloyds or somewhere reputable like that.  Even then, individuals metabolise the vitamin at different rates and it is possible to have vitamin D toxicity.  Sunshine however is free and the only expertise needed is to use sunscreen if you're likely to be in it for a long time.  Sunscreen and high SPF lotions and creams do not stop the benefits of the sun.

I agree and have no intention of covering up except at the beach it's salty and windy and you burn even faster, but even then I nip in to the sea in a usual bathing costume.

Most people would probably be ok if they didn't bare their skin and took the one a day type multivitamins.

The other answer is to go to your doctor who can test your blood.

There can be conditions that can stop you from getting it, other than how you dress.

It's easier to eat foods with it in I guess  8)


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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #190 on: September 05, 2016, 01:09:09 PM »
Several members of my immediate family are involved in the health profession and I do manage to keep up to date, but thanks anyway brownie.

ippy

I wasn't patronising you ippy, just sharing what I know.
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Rose, quite agree.
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« Reply #191 on: September 05, 2016, 05:23:05 PM »
I wasn't patronising you ippy, just sharing what I know.
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Rose, quite agree.

I didn't think you were patronising me for one moment Brownie, my brother's well acquainted with these sorts of details and translates them into a form of English that I'm able to understand.

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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #192 on: September 05, 2016, 05:44:11 PM »
You are so vague in your posts that it is hard to verify if you are lying/ misrepresenting or just incompetent.

Can you please post the Chapter and verse where it says dress modestly.

Can you also post the chapter and verse where it says "'Don't expose all your feminine flesh cos a man is WEAK"

You know damn well what I'm on about re the first comment as it's YOUR job to quote different. Anyone can find it on the net.

No need for the second one as it's not a quote - anyway The Quran was written BY & FOR men NOT women so we needn't go through all THAT again. See you've woken up, pyaar ?!?!!?

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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #193 on: September 05, 2016, 06:24:54 PM »
Trippy, going back to a previous post, Muslim women and men are directed to dress modestly and indeed, amongst practicing Muslims, that is the case.   It gives them uniformity, particularly the men when they wear long white shirts, a small hat and have a beard.  The women vary in their head covering, I've seen some beautifully coloured hijabs with intricate designs.  Covering hair is not, however, a Q'ranic requirement.

It is quite fashionable atm for young Muslim women to take up wearing a hijab.  Difficult for many non-Muslims to understand but those who do adopt the headgear say they want to be seen to be a Muslim.  It's a kind of statement.  I think I understand that sort of attitude having been inclined to make bold statements as a young person (before I became "wishy-washy");  were I a young Muslim woman I'd probably do the same.

(Niqab/burqa is a different matter, there's no real reason to go that far and there aren't many who do in this country but that's for another discussion.)
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Re: Burkini vs Bikini
« Reply #194 on: September 06, 2016, 03:52:29 PM »
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EX reply & thank you !!!!

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« Reply #195 on: September 06, 2016, 10:25:17 PM »
I dunno about EX, I made the last bit enormous when I wanted to make it tiny, many blushes  :-[.  Changed it now.
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« Reply #196 on: September 07, 2016, 08:29:26 AM »
AAH Come on you handsome devil you ?!!?!? LOL

MY beef or should it be PORK???? - is with the niqab !!! If a face is disfigured then that's another issue entirely. I have many Muslim friends here in the UK AND in India & will ask them - casually - about niqab & why it may be worn.
We'll see.......
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