The evil of after work drinks

[Brownie]

Rose:  Women still feel guilty if they don't see their child because they were in bed by the time they got home.

I remember seeing Diane Abbott MP interviewed on TV and she said that the woman Speaker in the Commons was the only one who would not let her go off early to put her son to bed.  Yes, she did feel guilty too.  It's not easy.

If men don't show the same commitment - in some ways - to house and childcare, they need a wake up call.

[splashscuba]

Rose:  Women still feel guilty if they don't see their child because they were in bed by the time they got home.

I remember seeing Diane Abbott MP interviewed on TV and she said that the woman Speaker in the Commons was the only one who would not let her go off early to put her son to bed.  Yes, she did feel guilty too.  It's not easy.

If men don't show the same commitment - in some ways - to house and childcare, they need a wake up call.

What makes you think men don't show the same commitment ?

[Nearly Sane]

What makes you think men don't show the same commitment ?

Brownie doesn't state they don't but rather if they don't they need a wake up call.

[splashscuba]

Brownie doesn't state they don't but rather if they don't they need a wake up call.

I'd say the same about both men and women.

[Bubbles]

That's not the case where I work. Can you substantiate your claim?

Can you?

It's difficult to substantiate claims about people's real lives.

But all I can do is show that women tend to feel guilty about taking time off.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2034735/Working-mothers-regularly-send-sick-children-school-look-them.html

And point out you don't see articles very often on men taking time off on the same scale.

This one is a corker

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/30/sometimes-i-have-to-leave-early-to-pick-up-my-kids-deal-with-it

A woman being told it is better to tell the boss you have to tend toward your dog instead! And not admit it's their kids.

[Nearly Sane]

I'd say the same about both men and women.

and I am sure Brownie would too, but she was replying to people stating men didn't really show the same commitment. I think you need to pick them up on it, not Brownie

[jeremyp]

Can you?

All I'm claiming is that in my office there the men, as a rule, take their fair share of looking after their sick offspring. I'm not trying to make generalisations about the wider world.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

I don't think it is possible to generalise - different jobs or careers have different demands.

My experience is that networking and building relationships with colleagues and clients is crucial to advancement - unless you are lucky enough to be brilliant and indispensable at your job, in which case you can demand a lot more leeway.

Clients and managers pick people for projects or tasks whom they like to work with - people with whom they have a good working and personal relationship - they confide in you and that builds trust, which makes for a stronger team or client relationship. It's difficult to do if you keep saying you are regularly unavailable for whatever reason - they will find someone else.

If you can show you either bring in business that increased profits or contributed in a measurable way to increased profits, you can ask for promotions and some of those additional profits will come to you in the form of a bonus or pay rises. If people can do this and also go home earlier than colleagues to look after children or elderly parents - they deserve the promotion / pay rise / bonus IMO.