Where is god?

[floo]

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[bluehillside Retd.]

Floo,

If the Biblical god really exists, and is not a figment of the imagination, why does it not make its presence clear without equivocation?

By not revealing its presence in a way that is irrefutable, it would be most unjust if unbelief resulted in dire consequences as some would have you believe.

To which someone will no doubt reply, "He did that 2,000 years ago by sending his son here" or some such and round we go again. All you have to do is to believe the story in a book, and there's your "evidence".

Faith eh - doncha love it?

[trippymonkey]

Maybe we're not AS important as certain religions would have us believe !?!?!?

Nick

[Bubbles]

Well supposedly outside the universe and time.

 

[Brownie]

What Rose said but why are you asking, floo, being as you have already asked a million times before and there is no answer that will satisfy.  If you don't believe in God, it hardly matters.

[floo]

If there is a god but it fails to reveal itself to humans in a way which cannot be denied, and there are serious consequences for unbelief, of course the question matters.

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

If the Biblical god really exists, and is not a figment of the imagination, why does it not make its presence clear without equivocation?

So, to use your own words, what would be for you "clear without equivocation"?

[trippymonkey]

Floo
THIS is precisely WHY the Bible was written-invented to soothe people as to why God's not at all interested in us......anymore !!!!

Nick

[Brownie]

I thought you believed in God, trippy.  Not in the same way as Christians maybe but belief nevertheless.  Your business of course, I'm not putting you on the spot, I just got that impression.

[Brownie]

If there is a god but it fails to reveal itself to humans in a way which cannot be denied, and there are serious consequences for unbelief, of course the question matters.

I've not known anyone who has had an experience of God involving literally hearing him and/or seeing him/her and would be extremely worried about my health if I heard a voice or had a vision!  That sort of thing I've read about but not experienced and am quite sceptical of some of the stories that circulate.  Most of us don't look for that, frankly.  There are personal revelations, times when things fall into place;  I've heard it described as, "Walking through a door" which fits for me too.

Sword asked: "So, to use your own words, what would be for you "clear without equivocation"?"

I presume you would want tangible, physical proof.  You aren't going to get it, floo.

It's not my belief that there are dire consequences for someone who honestly cannot believe.  Having been like that myself for many years, though I was always open to belief and wanted it, it was all too difficult, a real struggle.  The Lord wouldn't have condemned me for that.

[ippy]

I thought you believed in God, trippy.  Not in the same way as Christians maybe but belief nevertheless.  Your business of course, I'm not putting you on the spot, I just got that impression.

Belief in gods wouldn't be so bad if these so called believers kept it to themselves, unfortunately and on and on?

ippy

[trippymonkey]

B
I DO believe in other worldly spirits etc but more from a Hindu POV as they don't seem to make excuses all the time !!!

Nick

[Brownie]

That's what I thought trippy.

[torridon]

Well supposedly outside the universe and time.

 

'Outside' of space and time makes no sense I think. Saying God is outside of space and time is like saying god could make a piece of string that is longer than infinity.  You can't have such a piece of string, not because God isn't up to it, but because the concept defies its own definition. In other words, it is a meaningless claim.

[torridon]

It's not my belief that there are dire consequences for someone who honestly cannot believe.  Having been like that myself for many years, though I was always open to belief and wanted it, it was all too difficult, a real struggle.  The Lord wouldn't have condemned me for that.

Or maybe he would. In  Luke 14:26, Jesus says we must even abandon our family to become disciples :

“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple"

[Sriram]

'Outside' of space and time makes no sense I think. Saying God is outside of space and time is like saying god could make a piece of string that is longer than infinity.  You can't have such a piece of string, not because God isn't up to it, but because the concept defies its own definition. In other words, it is a meaningless claim.

According to scientists, space-time was created along with the universe. It didn't exist before the Big Bang.  So whatever generated the Singularity, is beyond space-time. It could be someone  or something from a parallel universe, a set of engineers producing a simulation, a multiverse...whatever.

They are all beyond space-time (and the laws of physics) as we know it in this universe.

[NicholasMarks]

Almighty God is the personification of all that energy that created rhe universe and which certainly existed before the big-bang, in fact it created the big-bang. By following the laws laid down by Jesus Christ we are following scientific laws far in advance of our intellect so its best not to get too cheeky...especially with Wormwood looming ever closer towards our planet.

[torridon]

Wb Sparkalot, nice to see you posting again 

[NicholasMarks]

Thanks torridon

[torridon]

Almighty God is the personification of all that energy that created rhe universe and which certainly existed before the big-bang, in fact it created the big-bang. By following the laws laid down by Jesus Christ we are following scientific laws far in advance of our intellect so its best not to get too cheeky...especially with Wormwood looming ever closer towards our planet.

All 'personification' is idolatry, at base.  It is anthropocentrism, a product of the narcissism of human mind.

[NicholasMarks]

Personification here torri is the living form of the being that understands fully the mechanics of the universe...hence the Holy Bible. Don't let the simple fact that it was writen in a way that early man could understand it better than scientists of today who think everything came from nothing,whch, incedently, goes aganst their own laws of energy conservation, fool you. Embrace Almighty God and his much loved son Jesus Christ...repent..pay back for.your sins...and partake in a science that offers repair, resurrection and everlasting life..The alternative is Wormwood

[jjohnjil]

Personification here torri is the living form of the being that understands fully the mechanics of the universe...hence the Holy Bible. Don't let the simple fact that it was writen in a way that early man could understand it better than scientists of today who think everything came from nothing,whch, incedently, goes aganst their own laws of energy conservation, fool you. Embrace Almighty God and his much loved son Jesus Christ...repent..pay back for.your sins...and partake in a science that offers repair, resurrection and everlasting life..The alternative is Wormwood

If God came from nothing, I see no reason to rule anything else out as coming from nothing ... the Universe, Multiverse, anything.

Nice to see you're still up and about, Sparks!

[ippy]

Good to know there's still some dynamic energy about Nick, welcome back.

You invariably get most things misguidedly wrong but without a bad thought, deed or expression in your manner, you're a toff.

ippy

[Gonnagle]

Dear Nicholas,

God is in his Heaven all is right with the world, long live the Science of Righteousness

Gonnagle.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Whoa there Sparky - nice to see you back here after all this time.

How are the experiments in your garden shed going? Do you still wear the tinfoil hat and have one of those twin aerial thingies with the blue flames running up it?

Keep on keeping on my friend - this was a duller place without you.