Where is god?

[floo]

Blimey be careful what you wish for, I was only thinking about NM yesterday, and here he is! Welcome back, pistols at dawn.

[NicholasMarks]

Hi johnjil, ippy, Gonnagle bluehillside...

Thank you for your kind if slightly sarky greetings. As you know I am on a mission. Wormwood isn't far away and it is imperative that you repent, and quickly. Jesus didn't die just to show you that dying is a piece of cake...he wanted you and me to know that if you harness God's indestructible force in the way he did then every eventuality is covered and to live by his science is far better than the chaos that will exist if we allow evil yo take over...Ho...but you should already know that because it already has.

Not to worry...Wormwood will have the last say...according to Revelation...anyway. 

[NicholasMarks]

Hi Floo I trust you are well and had your winter jab against the illness your name suggests.

I fear that we may be on the last hurdle of salvation and wouldn't want you to miss out. But, of course, it is up to you. Invoke the science or leave yourself wide open to the impending danger that the Holy Bible warns against. Don't be fooled by iniquity, whether delivered by a church or relatives and which are full of errors get your inspiration directly from the man who died for you so that you can achieve what is in your best interest.

[floo]

Hi Floo I trust you are well and had your winter jab against the illness your name suggests.

I fear that we may be on the last hurdle of salvation and wouldn't want you to miss out. But, of course, it is up to you. Invoke the science or leave yourself wide open to the impending danger that the Holy Bible warns against. Don't be fooled by iniquity, whether delivered by a church or relatives and which are full of errors get your inspiration directly from the man who died for you so that you can achieve what is in your best interest.

I hope you are well too? My husband and I will have our jabs as soon as our surgery gears up for them, either at the end of this month, or the beginning of next.

We will never see eye to eye about religion, but it is good to have you back you liven things up a bit and have been missed.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

Hi johnjil, ippy, Gonnagle bluehillside...

Thank you for your kind if slightly sarky greetings. As you know I am on a mission. Wormwood isn't far away and it is imperative that you repent, and quickly. Jesus didn't die just to show you that dying is a piece of cake...he wanted you and me to know that if you harness God's indestructible force in the way he did then every eventuality is covered and to live by his science is far better than the chaos that will exist if we allow evil yo take over...Ho...but you should already know that because it already has.

Not to worry...Wormwood will have the last say...according to Revelation...anyway.

"Wormwood" eh? The stuff they make absinthe from? The Dr Who spin off series? What?

Nicholas Marks, meet David Icke; David, meet Nicholas. I have a feeling you two are going to get on famously...

[Gonnagle]

Dear Nicholas,

Sarky!! As President and high heid yin of the NicholasMarks fan club I resemble that remark but great to see you posting again old friend

Gonnagle.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Re the OP, has anyone found Him yet? I've looked behind the sofa, but no luck yet...

[BashfulAnthony]

Re the OP, has anyone found Him yet? I've looked behind the sofa, but no luck yet...

Cheap, and unfunny.

[bluehillside Retd.]

BA,

Cheap, and unfunny.

How dare you Sir - it's real leather!

[BashfulAnthony]

BA,

How dare you Sir - it's real leather!

I didn't realise it was real leather. My faux pas..... see what I did there!

[NicholasMarks]

It strikes me bluehillside that Almighty God was staring straight back at you.

So ok...your sofa may be the product of a cow but that cow grew it by means of some very skillful electric work and guess what...that electric nature of the universe which fires up all the stars and all the sciences that stem from those stars are part of the spiritual personification of Almighty God, so why look behind your sofa when he was already staring back at you...as if he was sitting upon it all the time...

Oh boy...you've got a lot to learn...I hope we are in time.

[ippy]

Nick some humour there, is that permitted by your man in the sky, funny but I'm really pleased to see you back posting.

I hope this time we atheists will be able to straighten you out and perhaps find new ways from you on how to reduce our utility bills.

ippy 

[NicholasMarks]

Dear Nicholas,

Sarky!! As President and high heid yin of the NicholasMarks fan club I resemble that remark but great to see you posting again old friend

Gonnagle.

I'm sorry if I offended you Gonnagle...it wasn't my intention. My reply was to a number of greeters and there was a lot of light-hearted sarcasm involved...so I gave a bit of light hearted banter back...but I always try to be polite.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

It strikes me bluehillside that Almighty God was staring straight back at you.

So ok...your sofa may be the product of a cow but that cow grew it by means of some very skillful electric work and guess what...that electric nature of the universe which fires up all the stars and all the sciences that stem from those stars are part of the spiritual personification of Almighty God, so why look behind your sofa when he was already staring back at you...as if he was sitting upon it all the time...

Oh boy...you've got a lot to learn...I hope we are in time.

We've all got a lot to learn my friend. Your problem here though is to explain why you have something to teach rather than just some fairly barmy ramblings with no argument or evidence to validate them.

Good luck with that though.

[NicholasMarks]

If the Biblical god really exists, and is not a figment of the imagination, why does it not make its presence clear without equivocation?

By not revealing its presence in a way that is irrefutable, it would be most unjust if unbelief resulted in dire consequences as some would have you believe.

If Almighty God is the personification of all the stars in the heavens and all the mechanics that directly involve us,and is all around us all the time, then, by default there must be a presence of God that reaches into every aspect of the universe...something like dark matter but with a much greater bite. Harnessing his force is the hard part and for this we must 'truly' repent.

[floo]

If Almighty God is the personification of all the stars in the heavens and all the mechanics that directly involve us,and is all around us all the time, then, by default there must be a presence of God that reaches into every aspect of the universe...something like dark matter but with a much greater bite. Harnessing his force is the hard part and for this we must 'truly' repent.

God is a human creation and not a very good one at that, imo.

[Enki]

According to scientists, space-time was created along with the universe. It didn't exist before the Big Bang.  So whatever generated the Singularity, is beyond space-time. It could be someone  or something from a parallel universe, a set of engineers producing a simulation, a multiverse...whatever.

They are all beyond space-time (and the laws of physics) as we know it in this universe.

Unfortunately, as torridon suggests, the 'outside of space-time' cannot really be grasped meaningfully at all. You yourself are suggesting that space-time was created, which immediately suggests a time element, as does your use of 'generated',  and 'didn't exist before the Big Bang'.

And, even if one tacitly accepts that someone/something from a parallel universe(outside of space-time) generated(generates?) the Singularity, then you are still left with the problem of who created(creates) this non space-time parallel universe, presumably out of some other non space-time state. And so on, ad infinitum.

[ippy]

If Almighty God is the personification of all the stars in the heavens and all the mechanics that directly involve us,and is all around us all the time, then, by default there must be a presence of God that reaches into every aspect of the universe...something like dark matter but with a much greater bite. Harnessing his force is the hard part and for this we must 'truly' repent.

The 'if' in this post of yours, now that is an improvement Nick.

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

God is a human creation and not a very good one at that, imo.

He is still the one that sent Jesus Christ to teach us his ways...he is still the one that has showed us, through Jesus Christ, that righteousness isn't the same as the laws of scientists, or as common sense or indeed as all con-men and scammers would have us believe...and he is also the one who says that unless we listen to and act upon the teaching of Jesus, accurately...then the electric powers of Wormwood that is a part of the Nemesis solar system which isn't so very  far off now, will spiritually suck us into its fabric, leaving us very sorry for not paying attention to God's accurate teaching.

You see, spiritually, we will be either condemned or saved and 'the lake of fire and brimstone' just doesn't appeal to me or strike me as a place of everlasting happiness.

[NicholasMarks]

Unfortunately, as torridon suggests, the 'outside of space-time' cannot really be grasped meaningfully at all. You yourself are suggesting that space-time was created, which immediately suggests a time element, as does your use of 'generated',  and 'didn't exist before the Big Bang'.

And, even if one tacitly accepts that someone/something from a parallel universe(outside of space-time) generated(generates?) the Singularity, then you are still left with the problem of who created(creates) this non space-time parallel universe, presumably out of some other non space-time state. And so on, ad infinitum.

Space-time is measured by the various bits of activity that occurs in the high-speed expanding universe but beneath all of this high-speed activity is a static dimension...A pre-big-bang dimension where nothing was really moving except the slow build up of many huge clouds of electric plasma...clouds of galaxy proportions. So we can safely say that within the static dimension prior to the big-bang, time stood still...or, put another way...A day is like a thousand years and a thousand years a day.

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

God is a human creation and not a very good one at that, imo.

If this is what you think, then it's hardly surprising that you have the problem here (first page):

If the Biblical god really exists, and is not a figment of the imagination, why does it not make its presence clear without equivocation?

So I'll ask again: What would be for you "clear without equivocation"?

[floo]

If this is what you think, then it's hardly surprising that you have the problem here (first page):
So I'll ask again: What would be for you "clear without equivocation"?

What problem do I have?

Surely an omnipotent deity could devise a method of revealing itself to all humanity in a way that would end any doubt of its existence, instead of playing hide and seek!

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

Surely an omnipotent deity could devise a method of revealing itself to all humanity in a way that would end any doubt of its existence, instead of playing hide and seek!

Except you are unable to define what that method is! 

If you can't define what it is you are expecting to see, how will you know if/when you have found it?

[BeRational]

Except you are unable to define what that method is! 

If you can't define what it is you are expecting to see, how will you know if/when you have found it?

Surely your God should know what would convince me?

If not, why not?

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

Surely your God should know what would convince me?

Since it appears you are unable to state what would convince you, I would suggest the problem could be that there is nothing that would convince you?

If I'm wrong here, why didn't you state what it is that would convince you?