Where is god?

[Sebastian Toe]

Arguing is when there is a difference of opinion and the one will not concede to the other even if truth and veracity is on one of the sides. A veracity proven by the faith and dedication over many years by millions of believers...The same is true of any who want to conceal the truth of what should be revealed honestly and openly but use circular argument to conceal that truth.

All very nice but who exactly is arguing it?

[floo]

Your right on the money there Floo. But not everyone lived, died, and was resurrected telling you about it. Now...the enormous following Jesus has had must scientifically have reasoning behind it just as the many other teachings. They can take over the minds of people and are often the result of demands from an iniquitous priesthood...but you will notice there is no such demand from the accurate word of Jesus Christ...you are free to believe or not believe...but it is definitely to our advantage if we follow his teaching accurately because he is the chief scientific officer over all universal mechanics.

There is absolutely no evidence that Jesus resurrected either. People who are really dead don't come back to life.

[NicholasMarks]

All very nice but who exactly is arguing it?

Well...Seb...a guy who goes under the pen-name of 'Sebastian Toe' appears to be arguing it. Also...if we are talking about the approaching star system called Nemesis many star watchers are displaying many photo signs of its approach on the web, but, it seems, to spare us the hassle of worrying or preparing us for it they...certain knowing governments are destroying the facts with avoidance, confusion, and misinformation tactics, whilst they build various underground bunkers of massive proportions...That is...if you believe the evidence of those who have come to believe that global warming, severe magnetic-field disturbances, and the drastic climate change phenomena...in fact...all the great tribulations foretold from within the Holy Bible are a direct result of its approach.

So...your government wont tell you or save you but Almighty God will...but I'm afraid that salvation requires us to follow Jesus Christ accurately.

[BeRational]

Well...Seb...a guy who goes under the pen-name of 'Sebastian Toe' appears to be arguing it. Also...if we are talking about the approaching star system called Nemesis many star watchers are displaying many photo signs of its approach on the web, but, it seems, to spare us the hassle of worrying or preparing us for it they...certain knowing governments are destroying the facts with avoidance, confusion, and misinformation tactics, whilst they build various underground bunkers of massive proportions...That is...if you believe the evidence of those who have come to believe that global warming, severe magnetic-field disturbances, and the drastic climate change phenomena...in fact...all the great tribulations foretold from within the Holy Bible are a direct result of its approach.

So...your government wont tell you or save you but Almighty God will...but I'm afraid that salvation requires us to follow Jesus Christ accurately.

This is just madness!

There is not star approaching us.

Our galaxy will 'collide' with Andromda but even that may not affect our solar system.

You are spouting complete madness.

Where are you getting this crazy stuff from?

Was it the Sky at night?

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

There is absolutely no evidence that Jesus resurrected either.

Can you prove that? What would you consider as evidence?
(or are you going to tell me to give it a rest again?)

Also what is your proof of this?

People who are really dead don't come back to life.

[BeRational]

Can you prove that? What would you consider as evidence?
(or are you going to tell me to give it a rest again?)

Also what is your proof of this?

We do not need to prove that.

If you believe someone rose from the dead, then you have the burden of proof, as people do not come back from being dead in normal experience.

Over to you to demonstrate this then.

[NicholasMarks]

There is absolutely no evidence that Jesus resurrected either. People who are really dead don't come back to life.

It isn't evidence you require Floo it's faith...but even so, we are living in an age where an invisible, superabundant, virtually undetectable, indestructible energy, is present throughout this universe. It has been calculated, by scientists, to be sufficient to build...(93/7 =) over 13 more universes of the same mass as this one. It's relatively new to science but many thousands of years old to your Creator because, in the beginning, via his righteous word, he created the heavens and the Earth from it.

Now, the problem is, he foretold of a great tragedy that will befall this planet...but those who follow righteousness will have a distinct advantage over those that don't bother and they will only have themselves to blame.

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

as people do not come back from being dead in normal experience.

So you can categorically state as fact that no-one has ever risen from the dead, or been raised from the dead?

[BeRational]

So you can categorically state as fact that no-one has ever risen from the dead, or been raised from the dead?

No I cannot, nor would I claim that it will not happen 76 times tomorrow.

What I can say is that we have no evidence for this, just words in a book, and that does not count.

If you believe someone did rise from the dead, then you have the burden of proof to provide the compelling evidence.
Do NOT use words in a book to help you here, as no words from any book will count.

[ippy]

So you can categorically state as fact that no-one has ever risen from the dead, or been raised from the dead?

Hope Sword Hope Sward Hope Sward Hope Sward Hope Sward Hope Sward Hope Sward, the only difference is that Hope does have the evidence, that the magical, mystical and supernatural happenings in the bible did actually happen, errrr, when do we get to see this elusive evidence?

ippy

[Gordon]

So you can categorically state as fact that no-one has ever risen from the dead, or been raised from the dead?

You're committing the negative proof fallacy: if you think that there has been such a case then the burden of proof is yours.

[Dicky Underpants]

Sparky,

But how do you know that the Gospels are infallible rather than just some ancient folk tales? You seem to have a serious Messiah complex here - essentially anything you care to spout must be true because you've spouted it, rather than because it's supported by any sort of argument or evidence.

Well, he has previously compared himself to St Paul.

[NicholasMarks]

So you can categorically state as fact that no-one has ever risen from the dead, or been raised from the dead?

The problem here is that if a man has been callously put to death and then resurrected from that death it should encourage others to find out more about it...both scientifically and by common sense. We then find that there is a lot more to the story and righteousness, goodness and good order is a part of that wonderful story...with plenty for science to go at working out how this could have possibly happened. Its all down to the indestructible nature of the spiritual force that created all the stars and atoms and we can participate with that science if we take righteousness seriously.

[BeRational]

The problem here is that if a man has been callously put to death and then resurrected from that death it should encourage others to find out more about it...both scientifically and by common sense. We then find that there is a lot more to the story and righteousness, goodness and good order is a part of that wonderful story...with plenty for science to go at working out how this could have possibly happened. Its all down to the indestructible nature of the spiritual force that created all the stars and atoms and we can participate with that science if we take righteousness seriously.

Instead of spouting more nonsense, explain why you believe what is written in the bible is true.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

If my strength comes from a science that is built upon truth, righteousness and honesty as delivered to us by Jesus Christ then I would suggest that my enthusiasm and belief is all you really need to believe in a teaching that millions have also found great truth in and circular argument has no place in the teaching by 'the light of the world'.

First there's no reason to think you have a "strength".

Second, even if you have (eg, the strength of your opinions, however potty) that "If" is important. It could just as well come from your belief in these things rather than in their supposed fact.

Third, you're trying an argumentum ad populum again. Whether one person or one million people have a faith belief says nothing whatever about whether that belief is true, and in any case it leaves you with the problem that millions of people have believed in other gods than your own. Are those gods therefore also all real in your view?

Fourth, the only circular argument here is yours: "the Bible is true because it says it's true; therefore the bible is true; the Bible is true because it says it's true" etc. What you're being asked to do but keep running away from is to break out of that circularity to explain WHY you think this book of all books to be true.

Why the coyness about answering? 

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

More circular argument bluehillside...anything but accept that a higher authority that has your best interests at heart wants to save you from your own insistence that you want to fry in Wormwood.

The only circularity here is yours - see my last post. What you're being asked to do is to break out of it, but you seem not to be aware even of the problem.

[floo]

Can you prove that? What would you consider as evidence?
(or are you going to tell me to give it a rest again?)

Also what is your proof of this?

You can't prove the guy came back from the dead. No one has ever come back to life once they were well and truly dead, so the resurrection story lacks any credibility.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sword,

So you can categorically state as fact that no-one has ever risen from the dead, or been raised from the dead?

So can you state categorically that there isn't a teapot orbiting Earth just beyond the range of our instruments to see it?

What you're attempting here is the negative proof fallacy - a basic logical error. I'm glad that you've joined the mb, but you're an awful long way off the pace in terms of arguing your position. It might help if you looked at some of the previous discussions to see where you're going off the rails. 

[ProfessorDavey]

Instead of spouting more nonsense, explain why you believe what is written in the bible is true.

Prepare yourself for a circular argument whereby the conclusion is used to justify the means by which that conclusion is reached.

[Dicky Underpants]

Here is how it goes..planet Earth became void and all life lost but Almighty God wouldn't leave it that way. Knowing all the key elements were alreay within the planet he restarted it then reached into the dirt and took a hand full of dna already in the earth...doctored it and started a new era..a new beginning...you must read the Holy Bible.

Well, if you yourself were to read the Bible, you would see that there is no record of God 'restarting' anything. The old tale certainly says he started everything off, and things progressed from there (that doesn't necessarily make the old tale true, of course, but you really must be a little more sure of the original texts, before you start your imaginative re-tellings)

All rather reminiscent of certain words of Jesus, but in this case the text would read: "Ye have heard it said by the men of old, but I, Nicholas Marks say unto you..."

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

Arguing is when there is a difference of opinion and the one will not concede to the other even if truth and veracity is on one of the sides.

No it isn't, at least not in this context. You're thinking of the term in its meaning of "row", "barney" etc.

An argument is also though a construction consisting of a premise or premises, a conclusion and some logic to link the two. In other words, it's the bit you're missing when you post your various assertions and claims with no supporting argument of any kind. We're simply asked to take your word for it, despite not only its lack of a supporting argument but also its flat contradiction of the evidence and argument that is available.   

You are of course entitled to your personal opinions about anything at all, however bonkers. What you can't expect though is for anyone to take them seriously until and unless you finally provide a cogent argument to support them.

And no - to anticipate your reply, just repeating your assertions is not an argument of any kind.

[Maeght]

Well...Seb...a guy who goes under the pen-name of 'Sebastian Toe' appears to be arguing it.

This goes back to you saying 'Wormwood and associated stellar bodies are well taught about in Revelation and a strike by such a body is argued to be the reason that governments are building their own protection against it surreptitiously, and at great expense.'

Seb was asking who is arguing that. You missed his point.

[Dicky Underpants]

This goes back to you saying 'Wormwood and associated stellar bodies are well taught about in Revelation and a strike by such a body is argued to be the reason that governments are building their own protection against it surreptitiously, and at great expense.'

Seb was asking who is arguing that. You missed his point.

Well, Chapter 8 of Revelation also previously mentions a third of the trees on earth and all the grass being destroyed, as well as fiery mountains being uprooted and crashing into the earth - before the arrival of Wormwood. Are world governments building their own protection against such matters? After all, first things first.

[SusanDoris]

So you can categorically state as fact that no-one has ever risen from the dead, or been raised from the dead?

It certainly looks as if your posts are going to have to be filed under the 'negative proof fallacy posts' heading - on my computer anyway.

[Sebastian Toe]

Seb was asking who is arguing that. You missed his point.

To be fair, he misses a lot of points!