The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[floo]

Because of Jesus Christ.

The real Jesus and the Biblical version could be very different, and in reality he was nothing like the way he is portrayed in the Bible.

[NicholasMarks]

There is a lot in the Bible which isn't credible fiery lakes and wormwood, for instance. You like to put your own interpretation on the verses, which seems to be the product of a very overactive imagination. As I have said before you are entitled to your POV, but have to accept that others cannot see it your way at all.

Isn't credible to you Floo and perhaps those who have chosen to disbelieve everything they hear about Biblical teaching but you can't get round the simple fact that this is an electrical/spiritual universe following electric spiritual laws which offer great hope for those who can accommodate those laws taught to us by the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...the same source that brings that teaching from the depths of the OT and restates it in the NT....and he seems to know.

[bluehillside Retd.]

BR,

WHY do you believe what is in the bible?

That was the question, but you never answer.

And nor will he. Let's try to look at it from his point of view. He's spent years constructing his fantastical edifice of belief - he takes some bits of a book the chooses to think is "holy" literally, makes up some facts of his own ("Nemesis" etc), then tries to smash them together as if it were a cohesive worldview. It's all as mad as a box of frogs - scientifically illiterate, logically hopeless, basically dishonest in its premises (you can have your own opinions, but you can't have your own facts) but there it is nonetheless.

Then what happens is that he pitches up on a message board and tries to proselytise this mess and is surprised when others don't just take his word for it. The question about why he or anyone else should take this stuff seriously is incomprehensible to him - it's true because he really, really thinks it's true regardless of how ludicrous it is to people with functioning intellects. When asked often enough he finally attempts the "it's true because people find the stories comforting" line (the Tooth Fairy argument) and is surprised when it's dismantled.

All that leaves is to hide behind a persecution complex by accusing his interlocutors of bullying, and to keep just repeating the mantra over and over again. As he has no interest in discussing anything his efforts should more properly be parked in the Faith Sharing area I guess - it might at least save him further embarrassment here.           

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

Now...if millions of pounds/dollars are being spent to unearth sciences that are already taught from within the Holy Bible...

They're not.

[NicholasMarks]

The real Jesus and the Biblical version could be very different, and in reality he was nothing like the way he is portrayed in the Bible.

The real Jesus is very much more advanced than you give him credit for Floo...for example...the miracles that were performed around him and at his prompting, though still outside our scientific abilities, as yet, are not now so amazing. Miracles like turning water to wine or walking on water...tracking shoals of fish in stormy waters.

Science was at the root of all his miracles and were performed many years before we could remotely switch on a television set but in electric/spiritual science many things are scientifically possible for those who will be here to see them and develop them.

[floo]

Isn't credible to you Floo and perhaps those who have chosen to disbelieve everything they hear about Biblical teaching but you can't get round the simple fact that this is an electrical/spiritual universe following electric spiritual laws which offer great hope for those who can accommodate those laws taught to us by the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...the same source that brings that teaching from the depths of the OT and restates it in the NT....and he seems to know.

Surely if something isn't credible it is daft to believe it to be true, unless there is verifiable evidence to support it!

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky,

They're not.

We must agree to differ.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

The real Jesus is very much more advanced than you give him credit for Floo...for example...the miracles that were performed around him and at his prompting, though still outside our scientific abilities, as yet, are not now so amazing. Miracles like turning water to wine or walking on water...tracking shoals of fish in stormy waters.

Science was at the root of all his miracles and were performed many years before we could remotely switch on a television set but in electric/spiritual science many things are scientifically possible for those who will be here to see them and develop them.

Aside from, "because it's written in a book" why do you think any of these supposed miracles happened?

[floo]

The real Jesus is very much more advanced than you give him credit for Floo...for example...the miracles that were performed around him and at his prompting, though still outside our scientific abilities, as yet, are not now so amazing. Miracles like turning water to wine or walking on water...tracking shoals of fish in stormy waters.

Science was at the root of all his miracles and were performed many years before we could remotely switch on a television set but in electric/spiritual science many things are scientifically possible for those who will be here to see them and develop them.

NM as you never met the real Jesus you have no idea what he was really like.

[NicholasMarks]

Surely if something isn't credible it is daft to believe it to be true, unless there is verifiable evidence to support it!

Isn't credible to you Floo doesn't mean it isn't credible to everyone else. Millions have put Jesus' teaching to the test and many have vouched that it made a vast difference to their lives for the better. This is because, by my analysis, they are strengthening their inner structure with the very force that Jesus promises will strengthen their inner structure. It is the same force that we squeeze out of our genetic health and still expect them to function as if we have done nothing wrong...still...you have denied Jesus so you aren't interested in his science will you??

 

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

We must agree to differ.

No we mustn't. Your claim was that "...if millions of pounds/dollars are being spent to unearth sciences that are already taught from within the Holy Bible..." etc. There is no science in the Bible and if there was then you should be able to tell us where these dollars are being spent rather than just looking it up in a book you choose to think is "holy".

It's simple enough: if we need a new kind of MRI scanner, faster passenger jet, cure for cancer etc then I can show you where that research is done and how.

If instead you think the money could be saved by looking it up in the Bible though, then just tells us where it tells us these things.

And if you can't do that - and of course you can't - then you're wrong. Flat wrong. 

   

[NicholasMarks]

NM as you never met the real Jesus you have no idea what he was really like.

Now you are making an assumption Floo. Everyone who brings him into their lives has not only met Jesus Christ but also his father because they are the mirror image of each other as far as righteousness is concerned.

[BeRational]

Now you are making an assumption Floo. Everyone who brings him into their lives has not only met Jesus Christ but also his father because they are the mirror image of each other as far as righteousness is concerned.

Why do you believe what is in the bible?

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky,

No we mustn't. Your claim was that "...if millions of pounds/dollars are being spent to unearth sciences that are already taught from within the Holy Bible..." etc. There is no science in the Bible and if there was then you should be able to tell us where these dollars are being spent rather than just looking it up in a book you choose to think is "holy".

It's simple enough: if we need a new kind of MRI scanner, faster passenger jet, cure for cancer etc then I can show you where that research is done and how.

If instead you think the money could be saved by looking it up in the Bible though, then just tells us where it tells us these things.

And if you can't do that - and of course you can't - then you're wrong. Flat wrong. 

 

The Holy Bible tells us that the universe is made from a wonderful dynamic energy...It tells us it is important to us because if we utilise it as the Holy Bible says, it is a repairing force, whilst also a preventative force from our many ailments. I also put faith in medical science because, like you, I too walked away from the truth, but the beauty of it is we can walk back into those same repair mechanics carrying our pills and potions with us...until, that is, they are no longer required...What a wonderful thought.

At our current rate of health progress we will all be in wheel-chairs before we reach 30.

[NicholasMarks]

Why do you believe what is in the bible?

Circular argument your speciality then BeRational...You are jammed in your brain-washing...but I can help.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

Circular argument your speciality then BeRational...You are jammed in your brain-washing...but I can help.

I've already explained to you what "circular argument" actually means, so why repeat your mistake?

[jjohnjil]

Nick

I'm sure everyone was happy to see you posting again here, mainly because you livened* things up with your talk of electric and dynamic energy sermons.  For years you have been asked to tell us exactly where all this is to be found in the Bible though nnd all we have ever had is "Read the book"

Now there must be dozens of Christians and non-Christians on here who have searched through the pages but it is only you who have seen any signs of scientific prophesy in there.  Wouldn't it be more Christian like to tell us chapter and verse where such material can be found?

You say you are being bullied but it gets very frustrating when people repeat the same assertions over and over again without putting any meat on the bones.  What you call bullying is that frustration with you causing anger.  The way to stop it is to start giving us details of what parts of the Bible you interpret as scientific knowledge.

[BeRational]

Circular argument your speciality then BeRational...You are jammed in your brain-washing...but I can help.

This is not circular. You are wrong!

I am asking for clarification of WHY you believe something.

That is NOT circular, and if you think it is, you are wrong and need to investigate why you are wrong.

[floo]

Isn't credible to you Floo doesn't mean it isn't credible to everyone else. Millions have put Jesus' teaching to the test and many have vouched that it made a vast difference to their lives for the better. This is because, by my analysis, they are strengthening their inner structure with the very force that Jesus promises will strengthen their inner structure. It is the same force that we squeeze out of our genetic health and still expect them to function as if we have done nothing wrong...still...you have denied Jesus so you aren't interested in his science will you??

Many things people want to be true can have a beneficial psychological effect, not all of them religious. You really believe in your take on faith and you feel it has been beneficial. When I was a believer as a child, even quite devout for a few years, it had the opposite effect on my psyche!

[floo]

Now you are making an assumption Floo. Everyone who brings him into their lives has not only met Jesus Christ but also his father because they are the mirror image of each other as far as righteousness is concerned.

There is nothing righteous about the Biblical god, it is a psycho if what is attributed to it is true. One hopes the real Jesus was a much better person.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

The Holy Bible tells us that the universe is made from a wonderful dynamic energy...It tells us it is important to us because if we utilise it as the Holy Bible says, it is a repairing force, whilst also a preventative force from our many ailments.

No it doesn't. You can't just pretend that the Bible says these things when it does not and - even if it did - still all you'd have is claim in a book.

I also put faith in medical science because, like you, I too walked away from the truth, but the beauty of it is we can walk back into those same repair mechanics carrying our pills and potions with us...until, that is, they are no longer required...What a wonderful thought.

And a ludicrous one. You don't need to put your "faith" in medical science by the way - whether you think it'll work or not, just take the pill anyway.

At our current rate of health progress we will all be in wheel-chairs before we reach 30.

Why keep lying about this? At our current rate of "health progress" we shall continue to liver longer lives, not shorter ones. You're entitled to any opinions you like, however bonkers. What you're not entitled to though is your own facts.

[BeRational]

Sparky,

No it doesn't. You can't just pretend that the Bible says these things when it does not and - even if it did - still all you'd have is claim in a book.

And a ludicrous one. You don't need to put your "faith" in medical science by the way - whether you think it'll work or not, just take the pill anyway.

Why keep lying about this? At our current rate of "health progress" we shall continue to liver longer lives, not shorter ones. You're entitled to any opinions you like, however bonkers. What you're not entitled to though is your own facts.

I play 5 as side football with guys that range from 23 to 72. When I was young people of my age of 50 were old.

But not now.

[NicholasMarks]

All

Isn't it funny when you keep going round and round in circles.Still someone has to break the chain.

Remember, I am saying, with Biblical support, that a superabundant electric/spiritual force created all the stars...they could only do this if they created all the atoms as well. You might be happy with a 'singularity' but it is the height of insult to the conservation laws of energy which scientists also proclaim. We must also go behind the big-bang because that also has cob-webs all over it. We now have a universe that is static...nothing is moving as it is today, only the drifting of this raw material...dark matter, if you prefer...but 'God's dynamic energy' if we quote Isaiah. It was drifting around building up into huge,dense clouds, of light year proportions, and each cloud represented the spawning ground of the galaxy it would produce, so that as much of this raw material was in each cloud that was to create the galaxies that we see today.

I'd better do this slowly because I know you are brain-washed to believe God didn't do it.

[BeRational]

All

Isn't it funny when you keep going round and round in circles.Still someone has to break the chain.

Remember, I am saying, with Biblical support, that a superabundant electric/spiritual force created all the stars...they could only do this if they created all the atoms as well. You might be happy with a 'singularity' but it is the height of insult to the conservation laws of energy which scientists also proclaim. We must also go behind the big-bang because that also has cob-webs all over it. We now have a universe that is static...nothing is moving as it is today, only the drifting of this raw material...dark matter, if you prefer...but 'God's dynamic energy' if we quote Isaiah. It was drifting around building up into huge,dense clouds, of light year proportions, and each cloud represented the spawning ground of the galaxy it would produce, so that as much of this raw material was in each cloud that was to create the galaxies that we see today.

I'd better do this slowly because I know you are brain-washed to believe God didn't do it.

Why do you believe god exists?

[NicholasMarks]

Why do you believe god exists?

No BeRational...I believe Almighty God exists. He gives us many clues to the nature of this raw material that offers repair, resurrection, and everlasting life. And he tells us plainly that in the beginning was the 'word' which I interpret as the scientific understanding of all the sciences in the universe...many recently discovered by us and many yet to be discovered. So...we know this raw material has always been and always will be...we know that it is better described in the first instance as like water rather than like particles and we know that all scientific laws,of which Almighty God is the highest authority are embodied within the correct interpretation of this raw material.

But of course he had to introduce this knowledge slowly because...well...many prefer to believe foolish things rather than the advanced knowledge of Almighty God.

(Fingers in ears now so carry on).