The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[torridon]

My advice to you all is to accept that the universe is an electrical phenomena and we are electrical beings that, in the first instance, respond to electrical laws, and the finest of these laws are contained within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...regardless of what intellectuals tell you.

I can't see how accepting your peculiar take on science is going to be instrumental in bringing down tyrants and oppressors.  Apart from which there is no description of electricity in the Bible.  For a proper formulation we need Maxwell's Equations of electromagnetism.

[Anchorman]

Robbie/Anchorman/Rhiannon...

When you are talking kings you are talking bullies, oppressors, systems built out of survival of the nastiest. Every government uses the same tactics to some degree or other. So, listen and learn...

Jesus Christ taught us what oppression truly is. It is the deliberate and wilful dismantling of of our human inner strength, our nervous stamina...so that people can be herded rather than in a solid and healthy, individual way. Now, according to Jesus Christ this leads to the collapse of our spirit, the collapse of our health, and the collapse of our resistance against evil's campaign to dominate us...and all the problems in the world, today, stem from this type of oppression...and it's getting far worse.

My advice to you all is to accept that the universe is an electrical phenomena and we are electrical beings that, in the first instance, respond to electrical laws, and the finest of these laws are contained within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...regardless of what intellectuals tell you.

   




NM: you're the one who bangs on about 'accurate', 'science', etc. I've provided you with accurate, scientific proof showing that those who built the pyramids were NOT oppressed. I've provided you with accurate, scientific prooof that 'Pharaoh' was not part of the royal titulary of Egypt on a regular basis till long after Moses was supposed to have written the Pentateuch.
So far, you have alleged and asserted, but provided no evidence, of oppression in Egypt by native Egyptian rulers.
Why is this, please?

[Anchorman]

I can't see how accepting your peculiar take on science is going to be instrumental in bringing down tyrants and oppressors.  Apart from which there is no description of electricity in the Bible.  For a proper formulation we need Maxwell's Equations of electromagnetism.

     




Not exactly, torridon;
The 'New World Translation' - which no serious Bible scholar would touch with a ten foot barge pole - gets round trying to describe the Holy Spirit as a person (which the original Greek indicates) by using the ridiculous 'dynamic energy' instead.
A neat trick.....very "innaccurate"; not "scientific", but neat......

[Maeght]

Robbie/Anchorman/Rhiannon...

When you are talking kings you are talking bullies, oppressors, systems built out of survival of the nastiest. Every government uses the same tactics to some degree or other. So, listen and learn...

Jesus Christ taught us what oppression truly is. It is the deliberate and wilful dismantling of of our human inner strength, our nervous stamina...so that people can be herded rather than in a solid and healthy, individual way. Now, according to Jesus Christ this leads to the collapse of our spirit, the collapse of our health, and the collapse of our resistance against evil's campaign to dominate us...and all the problems in the world, today, stem from this type of oppression...and it's getting far worse.

My advice to you all is to accept that the universe is an electrical phenomena and we are electrical beings that, in the first instance, respond to electrical laws, and the finest of these laws are contained within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...regardless of what intellectuals tell you.

Won't be taking your advice thanks NM.

[NicholasMarks]

torridon/Anchorman/Maeght...

You see...the problem for me is in explaining that everything that occurs in the universe is, in the first instance, electrical. That means that every activity is fired by a free electric energy which only Jesus Christ fully understands and which tells us plainly that all people fall into one of two categories...One of those categories requires us to live honest and trustworthy lives...the other demands that, hiding behind the false imagery of evil, we can live a life of enormous benefit at the expense of the innocent...and there is a direct analogy with this style of living which compares with the cancer-cell which genetically turns on surrounding cells to squeeze out their electric stamina, wildly, and uncontrollably, with no regard for the normal genetic good-order, that keeps our health in check.     

So...point one...taking in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ means that we are attaching ourselves to a wonderful, righteous science that can unravel all the genetic damage that has gone on before your repentance.

[torridon]

torridon/Anchorman/Maeght...

You see...the problem for me is in explaining that everything that occurs in the universe is, in the first instance, electrical...

No it isn't.  Electricity is not fundamental. Space, time, gravity and the fundamental forces of nature, such as electromagnetism, all emerge from something more profound - quantum fields.

[NicholasMarks]

No it isn't.  Electricity is not fundamental. Space, time, gravity and the fundamental forces of nature, such as electromagnetism, all emerge from something more profound - quantum fields.

You see, this is where you are going wrong torridon. Your accepting what science tells you without asking any questions...The Holy Bible can help you...There are two dimensions to our universe...and it is the clashing of a wonderful, free, dynamic energy, in the clutches of these two dimensions that give us gravity, electromagnetic force, and all nuclear forces...the key one of these being the higgs-field....but that is another story...I'll explain it all one day. 

[Maeght]

torridon/Anchorman/Maeght...

You see...the problem for me is in explaining that everything that occurs in the universe is, in the first instance, electrical. That means that every activity is fired by a free electric energy which only Jesus Christ fully understands and which tells us plainly that all people fall into one of two categories...One of those categories requires us to live honest and trustworthy lives...the other demands that, hiding behind the false imagery of evil, we can live a life of enormous benefit at the expense of the innocent...and there is a direct analogy with this style of living which compares with the cancer-cell which genetically turns on surrounding cells to squeeze out their electric stamina, wildly, and uncontrollably, with no regard for the normal genetic good-order, that keeps our health in check.     

So...point one...taking in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ means that we are attaching ourselves to a wonderful, righteous science that can unravel all the genetic damage that has gone on before your repentance.

The problem for you isn't about explaining stuff - its that you don't know what you are on about!

[NicholasMarks]

The problem for you isn't about explaining stuff - its that you don't know what you are on about!

Of course I don't know exactly what I'm on about...that would put me on the same intellectual scale as Almighty God and Jesus Christ...What I can tell you though is that it is an electric universe and all activity within it is electrically inspired....even that flash of inspiration that drives you to condemn me. My job, as I see it, is to show you how that low charge, electric force, that you have just wasted could be harnessed and built upon to give you a whole righteous spirit that can last you for all eternity, providing you follow the refined electric laws Jesus taught us about...and you have a promise from the owner of all those electric laws and who refined them all into righteous, spiritual laws...follow Jesus Christ accurately else run the gauntlet with the fiery lake of sulphur, where only your past, righteous, behaviour, will do you any credit...up to a point.

It's all in the Holy Bible.
 

[Maeght]

Of course I don't know exactly what I'm on about...

Corrected that for you.

What I can tell you though is that it is an electric universe and all activity within it is electrically inspired....even that flash of inspiration that drives you to condemn me.

That's what you believe but not a fact so you can't tell me anything., only express your beliefs.

My job, as I see it, is to show you how that low charge, electric force, that you have just wasted could be harnessed and built upon to give you a whole righteous spirit that can last you for all eternity, providing you follow the refined electric laws Jesus taught us about...

But he didn't. Unless you have an over active imagination.

and you have a promise from the owner of all those electric laws and who refined them all into righteous, spiritual laws...follow Jesus Christ accurately else run the gauntlet with the fiery lake of sulphur, where only your past, righteous, behaviour, will do you any credit...up to a point.

It's all in the Holy Bible.

Only if you have an over active imagination.

[NicholasMarks]

Oh Maeght...not even your very best scientists can dispute the 'electric universe'. Everything is energy, electric energy, or if you prefer the refined version of Jesus Christ and Almighty God...everything is spiritual energy....an indestructible, superabundant, pure material, with the power to drift around space building up into huge, powerful, galaxy sized, dense fields...or clouds, with the predisposition to be able to erupt into the universe we live in...and as we know...it did erupt and all electric laws that exist today were carved into the properties appertaining to that eruption...including the living-cell and, more importantly, today, the cancer-cell. Still...we have to be clever enough to be able to read the science, but it all begins within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...so, perhaps, that is the best place to start...and a place that encourages mental keenness, and agility of mind, because we have to get our heads around some pretty amazing stuff.

[Maeght]

Oh Maeght...not even your very best scientists can dispute the 'electric universe'. Everything is energy, electric energy, or if you prefer the refined version of Jesus Christ and Almighty God...everything is spiritual energy....an indestructible, superabundant, pure material, with the power to drift around space building up into huge, powerful, galaxy sized, dense fields...or clouds, with the predisposition to be able to erupt into the universe we live in...and as we know...it did erupt and all electric laws that exist today were carved into the properties appertaining to that eruption...including the living-cell and, more importantly, today, the cancer-cell. Still...we have to be clever enough to be able to read the science, but it all begins within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...so, perhaps, that is the best place to start...and a place that encourages mental keenness, and agility of mind, because we have to get our heads around some pretty amazing stuff.

Jesus had nothing to say on science.

[NicholasMarks]

Jesus had nothing to say on science.

Wrong again Maeght...Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life...those that follow me will never die...which is much the same as saying...his teaching is a science and those that follow his science will obey special laws that are working his science to the max...another way of saying this self same thing is that Jesus Christ is God's 'word' made flesh.

God's 'word' is the embodiment of a very deep and wonderful science...The Science of Righteousness.

[Anchorman]

torridon/Anchorman/Maeght...

You see...the problem for me is in explaining that everything that occurs in the universe is, in the first instance, electrical. That means that every activity is fired by a free electric energy which only Jesus Christ fully understands and which tells us plainly that all people fall into one of two categories...One of those categories requires us to live honest and trustworthy lives...the other demands that, hiding behind the false imagery of evil, we can live a life of enormous benefit at the expense of the innocent...and there is a direct analogy with this style of living which compares with the cancer-cell which genetically turns on surrounding cells to squeeze out their electric stamina, wildly, and uncontrollably, with no regard for the normal genetic good-order, that keeps our health in check.     

So...point one...taking in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ means that we are attaching ourselves to a wonderful, righteous science that can unravel all the genetic damage that has gone on before your repentance.

torridon/Anchorman/Maeght...

You see...the problem for me is in explaining that everything that occurs in the universe is, in the first instance, electrical. That means that every activity is fired by a free electric energy which only Jesus Christ fully understands and which tells us plainly that all people fall into one of two categories...One of those categories requires us to live honest and trustworthy lives...the other demands that, hiding behind the false imagery of evil, we can live a life of enormous benefit at the expense of the innocent...and there is a direct analogy with this style of living which compares with the cancer-cell which genetically turns on surrounding cells to squeeze out their electric stamina, wildly, and uncontrollably, with no regard for the normal genetic good-order, that keeps our health in check.     

So...point one...taking in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ means that we are attaching ourselves to a wonderful, righteous science that can unravel all the genetic damage that has gone on before your repentance.

   





You see, the problem for me is this, NM.
You have made assertions regarding pharonic oppression with not a shred of evidence to back them up.
Not one bit of 'dynamic, accurate, scientifi' evidence.
You claim to have done research on the meaning of the term 'pharaoh'....and you have come up with blatantly wrong results....not accurate, not scientific.
If you can't even back up your supposedly scientific iseas with truth, why should we even think of dealing with the rest of your theories?

[Maeght]

Wrong again Maeght...Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life...those that follow me will never die...which is much the same as saying...his teaching is a science and those that follow his science will obey special laws that are working his science to the max...another way of saying this self same thing is that Jesus Christ is God's 'word' made flesh.

Nope, totally different, unless you have an over active imagination.

God's 'word' is the embodiment of a very deep and wonderful science...The Science of Righteousness.

Wrong again NM.

[NicholasMarks]

Anchorman/Maeght...


Anchorman
Have you ever wondered why all kings make themselves the true representative of the god that is inflicted upon the people. It is because their god is in fact the priests interpretation of what the people should be doing and usually involves slavery and oppression. You can't have masses of wealth whilst those earning that wealth are starving or living at the bottom end of the pile, without oppression being involved. The fact that it has fooled you just shows how easy others have been fooled by it as well...but here is the nub of it all...Jesus Christ showed us that evil always uses the same pattern of oppression and that pattern ensures that the vast majority live and die under an oppressive climate...a climate that guarantees ill-health and genetic deformities, whether you can see it or not. Remember the slaves, the common people and the peasants have no one to convey their distress for them...only the kings and their priests have a voice.

Maeght
You see Maeght...if you studied the 'word' of God...how he owns everything, how he is active in everything, how nothing happens without his consent, how all the stars in the universe are known, numbered and made by him (not one is missing)...then you realise that Almighty God is a wonderful scientist of the highest order, and Jesus delivered the bare essentials of God's science to help us through every and any dilemma.

This is what led me to the simple scientific fact that everything is energy...a wonderful, dynamic energy, which, besides being owned by God, and beside God being the voice of all that energy, that Almighty God, and now Jesus Christ are spiritually attached to that energy in a wonderful way that delivers repair, resurrection, and eternal life, to those who follow that science accurately, righteously, and meekly...in the way Jesus Christ showed us...Now...the wonderful thing about a science is this...it cannot be broken, it cannot be deceived...and no matter how many people disagree with that science it will still work for those who follow it.

[Anchorman]

Anchorman/Maeght...


Anchorman
Have you ever wondered why all kings make themselves the true representative of the god that is inflicted upon the people. It is because their god is in fact the priests interpretation of what the people should be doing and usually involves slavery and oppression. You can't have masses of wealth whilst those earning that wealth are starving or living at the bottom end of the pile, without oppression being involved. The fact that it has fooled you just shows how easy others have been fooled by it as well...but here is the nub of it all...Jesus Christ showed us that evil always uses the same pattern of oppression and that pattern ensures that the vast majority live and die under an oppressive climate...a climate that guarantees ill-health and genetic deformities, whether you can see it or not. Remember the slaves, the common people and the peasants have no one to convey their distress for them...only the kings and their priests have a voice.

Maeght
You see Maeght...if you studied the 'word' of God...how he owns everything, how he is active in everything, how nothing happens without his consent, how all the stars in the universe are known, numbered and made by him (not one is missing)...then you realise that Almighty God is a wonderful scientist of the highest order, and Jesus delivered the bare essentials of God's science to help us through every and any dilemma.

This is what led me to the simple scientific fact that everything is energy...a wonderful, dynamic energy, which, besides being owned by God, and beside God being the voice of all that energy, that Almighty God, and now Jesus Christ are spiritually attached to that energy in a wonderful way that delivers repair, resurrection, and eternal life, to those who follow that science accurately, righteously, and meekly...in the way Jesus Christ showed us...Now...the wonderful thing about a science is this...it cannot be broken, it cannot be deceived...and no matter how many people disagree with that science it will still work for those who follow it.

"Have you ever wondered".....
NM, wondering is fine.
I might wonder what would happen if Donald Trump had sex with a walrus and gave birth to a chicken with attitude.
It serves no purpose.
You can assert as much as you wish....but without evidence to back your assertions, the assertions are less than hot air.
Again; you provide not a shred of evidence to back your assertion.
Evidence, NM, is something we can examine in the light of science, archaeology, epigraphy -whatever.
You have provided NO evidence for your conclusions regarding the convoluted Egyptian religious system...in fact I would contend that your assertions are simply wrong....those were the self same assertions made by pyramidiots such as Smythe, Smith and the false prophet Russell.
I will say this once more - please try to provide actual EVIDENCE for oppression in Ancient Egypt by Egyptian kings.
Please provide EVIDENCE for your theories regarding the Egyptian kingship and religio-political thought and structure...and here's a clue: it's a lot more complex than your assertion.
And finally;
I trust that you have re-researched your less-than accurate research and found out that 'Pharaoh' does not mean king, nor has ever meant king?
Untill you doe these three things, the rest of your theories cannot be examined...because they are not theories, but groundless assertion.

[Maeght]

Anchorman/Maeght...


Anchorman
Have you ever wondered why all kings make themselves the true representative of the god that is inflicted upon the people. It is because their god is in fact the priests interpretation of what the people should be doing and usually involves slavery and oppression. You can't have masses of wealth whilst those earning that wealth are starving or living at the bottom end of the pile, without oppression being involved. The fact that it has fooled you just shows how easy others have been fooled by it as well...but here is the nub of it all...Jesus Christ showed us that evil always uses the same pattern of oppression and that pattern ensures that the vast majority live and die under an oppressive climate...a climate that guarantees ill-health and genetic deformities, whether you can see it or not. Remember the slaves, the common people and the peasants have no one to convey their distress for them...only the kings and their priests have a voice.

Maeght
You see Maeght...if you studied the 'word' of God...how he owns everything, how he is active in everything, how nothing happens without his consent, how all the stars in the universe are known, numbered and made by him (not one is missing)...then you realise that Almighty God is a wonderful scientist of the highest order, and Jesus delivered the bare essentials of God's science to help us through every and any dilemma.

This is what led me to the simple scientific fact that everything is energy...a wonderful, dynamic energy, which, besides being owned by God, and beside God being the voice of all that energy, that Almighty God, and now Jesus Christ are spiritually attached to that energy in a wonderful way that delivers repair, resurrection, and eternal life, to those who follow that science accurately, righteously, and meekly...in the way Jesus Christ showed us...Now...the wonderful thing about a science is this...it cannot be broken, it cannot be deceived...and no matter how many people disagree with that science it will still work for those who follow it.

You may believe all that but I don't. No matter how you try to dress it up it is just your beliefs mixed up with your overactive imagination. I'm happy for you, but don't expect me to rake you seriously.

[NicholasMarks]

"Have you ever wondered".....
NM, wondering is fine.
I might wonder what would happen if Donald Trump had sex with a walrus and gave birth to a chicken with attitude.
It serves no purpose.
You can assert as much as you wish....but without evidence to back your assertions, the assertions are less than hot air.
Again; you provide not a shred of evidence to back your assertion.
Evidence, NM, is something we can examine in the light of science, archaeology, epigraphy -whatever.
You have provided NO evidence for your conclusions regarding the convoluted Egyptian religious system...in fact I would contend that your assertions are simply wrong....those were the self same assertions made by pyramidiots such as Smythe, Smith and the false prophet Russell.
I will say this once more - please try to provide actual EVIDENCE for oppression in Ancient Egypt by Egyptian kings.
Please provide EVIDENCE for your theories regarding the Egyptian kingship and religio-political thought and structure...and here's a clue: it's a lot more complex than your assertion.
And finally;
I trust that you have re-researched your less-than accurate research and found out that 'Pharaoh' does not mean king, nor has ever meant king?
Untill you doe these three things, the rest of your theories cannot be examined...because they are not theories, but groundless assertion.

Let's approach this from a different angle Anchorman. My journey is all about the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...so let's bring him into the equation. He said that Satan was the ruler of this world and showed us how to deal with him....him being the earliest contingent of the evil 666. They rule by one pattern of law enforcement...oppression. To emphasise this Jesus just lived his life according to the Jewish way but found that, even though he was faultless and sinless, the oppressors of the Jews, their very own priesthood gathered together and condemned him to death...why??...because his accurate teaching was exposing their oppression of the many common people who thought they were following Almighty God, but in fact were being scammed into serving the priesthood. This becomes obvious when you realise just how many were prepared to listen to Jesus and follow his word intently...it is because the distressed will gather in a mob to hear beneficial teaching of the sort Jesus was expressing...the freedom from oppression. That tells us just how painful and distressing oppression is, it takes away your will to resist the most abominable of circumstances.

So...Satan has his pattern of working which is lies, deceit and oppression and as it has continued throughout the generations since, we can safely say that oppression existed in every generation before Jesus came, to save us from its nasty, invisible tendrils.

 

[Anchorman]

NO, NM, let's not. You made an assertion - a series of assertions - with not one bit of evidence to back them up, then you try to sidestep the issue by talking about the 'accurate teachings' of Jesus (or rather your interpretation of them.) Seriously, why should anyone take your interpretation of the latter - again, as far as they may be concerned, assertion not backed with evidence - when you seem singularly unable to provide the former?

[torridon]

You see, this is where you are going wrong torridon. Your accepting what science tells you without asking any questions...The Holy Bible can help you...There are two dimensions to our universe...and it is the clashing of a wonderful, free, dynamic energy, in the clutches of these two dimensions that give us gravity, electromagnetic force, and all nuclear forces...the key one of these being the higgs-field....but that is another story...I'll explain it all one day.

.. waits with baited breath ....

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[Dicky Underpants]

Wrong again Maeght...Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life...those that follow me will never die...which is much the same as saying...his teaching is a science and those that follow his science will obey special laws that are working his science to the max...another way of saying this self same thing is that Jesus Christ is God's 'word' made flesh.

God's 'word' is the embodiment of a very deep and wonderful science...The Science of Righteousness.

On the other hand, here's what the scholar Robert Grant said on the matter in "A Historical Introduction to the New Testament" p.53:

At first glance, it might appear simple enough to make a translation. Assuming
that we ‘know Greek’ or, in other words, have studied its grammar, syntax and
vocabulary to such an extent that we do not get lost when confronted with a
simple Greek sentence, we may suppose that we can proceed directly to the
New Testament perhaps to the Gospel of John -- and then, making use of the
rules we have learned and the dictionary we have acquired, ‘render’ it into
English. Sometimes, to be sure, such is almost the case. ‘In the beginning was
the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.’ If we refrain
from asking questions about the meaning of ‘beginning’, ‘Word’ and ‘God’, we
may be able to believe that we have an adequate translation. But there is still
the difficult word ‘and’. What function does it perform in the sentence? And
have we translated correctly when we place the three clauses in a
straightforward sequence like the one just given? Or should the verse read thus?
--
"In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God".

Apart from these questions, there is of course the problem of the meanings of
the words. How do we determine what the words mean? Do we look them up in
a simple pocket lexicon which may tell us that ‘logos’ means only ‘word’? Do
we go on to a larger dictionary which will inform us that ‘logos’ has a wide
range of meanings? And, if we go on, how do we tell which meaning or
meanings was or were intended by the author or understood by his readers,
early or late?
It seems fairly likely that what the author intended can best be understood by
looking at the immediate context of the passage we are translating. If we look at
the context of this verse in John, we find that the subject of discussion seems to
change from Word through Life to Light, and that nothing more is directly
stated about the Word until we reach the sentence which says that ‘the Word
became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory.’ But a ‘word’
which ‘became flesh’ is not the kind of word which is known in ordinary
English usage. How, then, are we to translate ‘logos’? Should we run the risk of
ambiguity by simply calling it ‘Word’ (with a capital letter, since ‘the Word of
God’) -- or should we venture into the equally risky area of paraphrase?

Would I be wrong in thinking that Nick has ventured into the "risky area of paraphrase"?

[NicholasMarks]

Dicky Underpants...

Oh Dick...You do make things hard for yourself. The message from the Holy Bible is that we are learning a science through its many expressions...a spiritual science extracted and refined from the all electric nature of the universe.

In the beginning was the 'word'...this, God's word, is the scientific code behind righteousness. It starts by saying, everything is electrical...All atomic power certainly is...All gravitational power certainly is. All electromagnetic force certainly is...Every behaviour pattern of every living-cell certainly is, which ultimately means that Almighty God, himself, is the living voice for all that electric energy, plus he is the living embodiment of all that energy, as well, wherever it is found in the universe....hence the 'word' was with God, and the 'word' was God'...and here is the wonderful part...the 'word' of God is the light of the world...In other words...the 'word' of God is an all knowing science which offers every cure for every dilemma known to man...Jesus Christ is that 'word' made flesh...or...he is living a science which is of vital importance to each and everyone of us.

I could go on but a step at a time is perhaps best.