The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[Sebastian Toe]

Seb/Maeght...

Seb...The same still applies because I still haven't seen a starry night for a long time now.

You have changed your point. You couldn't remember the last time you saw stars now it is a starry night.
 So can you see any stars at night or not?
This is really easy to check.
Which part of the country do you live in?

[torridon]

But you are a self-confessed atheist torry so I expect you to support your unholy stance to the end of the world...which, incidentally, isn't so very far off. The Holy Bible is for those who want it to be true, those who need it to be true, and those who have established, clearly, in their own hearts and minds, it is in fact true. Scoffing at clearly established and profound scientific facts of Einstein because the Holy Bible had already stated them doesn't do your credit as an atheist much good...you must either prove that Einstein was wrong so that the Holy Bible is wrong else prove that Einstein was right but the Holy Bible, plagiarised his work. Knocking the identifier of these solid and indisputable facts because you don't understand them is perhaps your best bet and a hall-mark behind the religion of atheism.

What incomprehensible nonsense.  I cannot see anything of a desire to communicate truthfully with people in your posts.  Can you remind us where the Bible reveals the curvature of space or the constancy of the speed of light or the influence of gravity on time ? How exactly could biblical authors have plagiarised Einstein given he wrote two thousand years later ? Did Jesus preach on the relationship between voltage, current and resistance ? I must have missed that also.  If you are going to make such fantastic claims we expect to see them backed up with fantastic evidence otherwise you are just another ridiculous internet troll trying to spread fear and confusion with your pompous posturing.

[SusanDoris]

|One of the most worrying things about posts from NM and numerous others on the internet is to realise that they were spouting all this nonsense before the internet came along and we didn't know it.   Now that more people are using this medium to try to spread such ignorance, there may well be a digression from the path of the advance to knowledge of reality by some who read and have a tendency to credit it as something worth pursuing, but the evidence of science and technology will outweigh the credulity of even the most gullible.

It will take too long though.

[savillerow]

SD I agree with what you say. Technology, science, logic etc will prevail. They say religion comes to the internet to die. Theres something in that. Matt Dillahunty(atheist experience) says quite often do you want to live with facts or do you want to rely on faith.

[NicholasMarks]

savillerow/SusanDoris/torridon/Seb/Anchorman/Maeght/Robbie/Gordon/enki/Robbie...

At least you are looking into the skies now and so have a chance of seeing what I'm seeing. It's being done so blatantly yet being ignored by those but the avid observer. Jesus Christ says look into the heavens for signs and this is clearly one of them. It is a worldwide phenomenon including the head in the sand attitude of those who will ultimately suffer by it. Jesus's signs are all around us now, in this day and age, so it is wise to keep looking and seeing what you are obviously missing. The greatest trick involved is in us believing all authority is behaving responsibly...but that is far from the case and Satan breaks that rule in a frightening and terrible way...but it works. Hitler had gotten a serious and terrible war-machine in place whilst few realised...but Jesus is prepared to alert those who really care for this planet.

[Nearly Sane]

SD I agree with what you say. Technology, science, logic etc will prevail. They say religion comes to the internet to die. Theres something in that. Matt Dillahunty(atheist experience) says quite often do you want to live with facts or do you want to rely on faith.

sounds like a dullahunty world.  And don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of technology, science, and logic but I live in a world of oughts as well as isses. Since none of the above tell me much about oughts, and two of them tell me nothing, not seeing your utopia.

[Maeght]

savillerow/SusanDoris/torridon/Seb/Anchorman/Maeght/Robbie/Gordon/enki/Robbie...

At least you are looking into the skies now and so have a chance of seeing what I'm seeing. It's being done so blatantly yet being ignored by those but the avid observer. Jesus Christ says look into the heavens for signs and this is clearly one of them. It is a worldwide phenomenon including the head in the sand attitude of those who will ultimately suffer by it. Jesus's signs are all around us now, in this day and age, so it is wise to keep looking and seeing what you are obviously missing. The greatest trick involved is in us believing all authority is behaving responsibly...but that is far from the case and Satan breaks that rule in a frightening and terrible way...but it works. Hitler had gotten a serious and terrible war-machine in place whilst few realised...but Jesus is prepared to alert those who really care for this planet.

Have looked and enjoyed the clear skies and bright stars. None of what you talk about is there. You need to relax, take a holiday, and stop obsessing, in view.

[Enki]

savillerow/SusanDoris/torridon/Seb/Anchorman/Maeght/Robbie/Gordon/enki/Robbie...

At least you are looking into the skies now and so have a chance of seeing what I'm seeing. It's being done so blatantly yet being ignored by those but the avid observer. Jesus Christ says look into the heavens for signs and this is clearly one of them. It is a worldwide phenomenon including the head in the sand attitude of those who will ultimately suffer by it. Jesus's signs are all around us now, in this day and age, so it is wise to keep looking and seeing what you are obviously missing. The greatest trick involved is in us believing all authority is behaving responsibly...but that is far from the case and Satan breaks that rule in a frightening and terrible way...but it works. Hitler had gotten a serious and terrible war-machine in place whilst few realised...but Jesus is prepared to alert those who really care for this planet.

Correction, I've looked 'at the skies' as you call it for many years, and have used a 3" refractor telescope for the last 20 years at least. Try not to be so ignorantly patronising, Nick, it doesn't become you, and certainly doesn't add to your fanciful assertions. Mind you, I am at a loss to think what would.

[Anchorman]

Beautiful night last night. Couldn't sleep because of the tempreature. The moonshine was superb....no, not the stuff I drank - that was Laphraoig, but equally magnificent. There was a jet leaving a trail as it left Prestwick airport. The sky didn't fall in, Nabiru didn't pay a visit, and nothing else was any different, give or take a meteor, from the past umopteen millenia.

[NicholasMarks]

Beautiful night last night. Couldn't sleep because of the tempreature. The moonshine was superb....no, not the stuff I drank - that was Laphraoig, but equally magnificent. There was a jet leaving a trail as it left Prestwick airport. The sky didn't fall in, Nabiru didn't pay a visit, and nothing else was any different, give or take a meteor, from the past umopteen millenia.

I did sleep reasonably well last night Anchorman but I  rowsed momentarily around 2.00am and took a look out of my bedroom window, facing north...I saw nothing...not a star in the sky.

[ippy]

I did sleep reasonably well last night Anchorman but I  rowsed momentarily around 2.00am and took a look out of my bedroom window, facing north...I saw nothing...not a star in the sky.

and then went to the bathroom.

Kind regards ippy

[ippy]

My neighbour, a goodhearted chap has volunteered to help clean out the Seal tank at a local zoo, I had to remind him better if they don't remove the Seals while cleaning otherwise it'd leak; makes as much sense as most of Nick's posts.

Regards ippy. 

[Maeght]

I did sleep reasonably well last night Anchorman but I  rowsed momentarily around 2.00am and took a look out of my bedroom window, facing north...I saw nothing...not a star in the sky.

You really do need to go to Specsavers then.

[Sebastian Toe]

I did sleep reasonably well last night Anchorman but I  rowsed momentarily around 2.00am and took a look out of my bedroom window, facing north...I saw nothing...not a star in the sky.

Was it cloudy?

[Dicky Underpants]

savillerow/SusanDoris/torridon/Seb/Anchorman/Maeght/Robbie/Gordon/enki/Robbie...

At least you are looking into the skies now and so have a chance of seeing what I'm seeing. It's being done so blatantly yet being ignored by those but the avid observer. Jesus Christ says look into the heavens for signs and this is clearly one of them. It is a worldwide phenomenon including the head in the sand attitude of those who will ultimately suffer by it. Jesus's signs are all around us now, in this day and age, so it is wise to keep looking and seeing what you are obviously missing. The greatest trick involved is in us believing all authority is behaving responsibly...but that is far from the case and Satan breaks that rule in a frightening and terrible way...but it works. Hitler had gotten a serious and terrible war-machine in place whilst few realised...but Jesus is prepared to alert those who really care for this planet.

Well, Jesus also said:

[20] Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed;
[21] nor will they say, `Lo, here it is!' or `There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."

(according to Luke:17)

So is that quote Jesus' "accurate teaching"?

[Robbie]

Absolutely Dicky.
I also looked it in the KJV because Nicholas prefers that translation. It says exactly the same.


Luke 17:20-21 King James Version (KJV)

20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

(The New World Translation says no different)

[ippy]

Shouldn't the last few posts be preceded by: 'this is what Jesus is supposed to have said'?

Regards ippy.

[Maeght]

No ippy. You're being unnecessarily picky.

Nicholas has told us that close reading of the Bible will give us information of the type that he is trying to give us. All Dicky and I have done is quote Bible passages which say something quite different.

A suggestion for you, as an atheist. Look at it in the same way as literature:  when you analyse a character's personality from literature, you quote them and those around them. You don't say, "This is what Lady Macbeth is supposed to have said", you quote what is written. Then you do your own interpretation of what they mean.

That's fine if the literature is accepted as fiction. Also you would quite likely say 'in Shakespeare's play MacBeth said .....'

[Anchorman]

Talking about Bible passages; I'm sure you've read Scripture, NM.
Have you followed it - accurately?
You HAVE submitted yourself to your church leaders - as per Scripture - haven't you?
http://biblehub.com/hebrews/13-17.htm

[Anchorman]

Maybe once at the beginning but after that, no, because presumably the exam question would be about Macbeth by William Shakespeare & the examiner would know that.

Whatever, I think you know what I meant and Dicky is not a believer. There seems no point in interjecting the same thing all the time when analysing text, we all know who believes and who doesn't and it takes the thread off topic. It's like heckling. I'm not trying to convert anyone & pretty sure Dicky isn't.

Oy! Mention the Brummie bard if you want....but not THAT play.....!
Grouoch  rules, OK?

[Maeght]

Maybe once at the beginning but after that, no, because presumably the exam question would be about Macbeth by William Shakespeare & the examiner would know that.

Whatever, I think you know what I meant and Dicky is not a believer. There seems no point in interjecting the same thing all the time when analysing text, we all know who believes and who doesn't and it takes the thread off topic. It's like heckling. I'm not trying to convert anyone & pretty sure Dicky isn't.

Where did an examiner come from? Any analysis would surely be about what Shakespeare ment rsthervthan what the character said. There is a point, in my view  in pointing out that we don't know what Jesus said, only what is written in the Bible.

[Robbie]

I really didn't want to labour the point but to explain, I was thinking about the sort of question that might arise in an examination. 

However I obviously wasn't that clear & apologise for that. I'll scrap what I said as it's causing more confusion and taking us off the point.

We could start every discussion involving the Bible by saying, "It is accepted that non believers will think none of this matters anyway & it's all nonsense".

(Anchor, I meant 'The Scottish Play'.)

[ippy]

No ippy. You're being unnecessarily picky.

Nicholas has told us that close reading of the Bible will give us information of the type that he is trying to give us. All Dicky and I have done is quote Bible passages which say something quite different.

A suggestion for you, as an atheist. Look at it in the same way as literature:  when you analyse a character's personality from literature, you quote them and those around them. You don't say, "This is what Lady Macbeth is supposed to have said", you quote what is written. Then you do your own interpretation of what they mean.

No one I know would be asserting Macbeth as factual, it's not the same and the more these people are brought to book about these superstition based ideas they insist on conveying as factual perhaps it'll quieten them up a bit or at the very least sew questions.

From personal experience of how these religious organisations work and they are supported by their faithful minions I prefer to see and have them pulled on any slip up of this type.

I do however agree it's inclined to look like nit picking, it isn't in my book.

Regards ippy.

[ippy]

Oy! Mention the Brummie bard if you want....but not THAT play.....!
Grouoch  rules, OK?

Arr well superstition/religion good bedfellows, all in and from the same camp, Macbeth, Macbeth, Macbeth, Macbeth, Macbeth, Macbeth,Macbeth.

Regards ippy. 

[Anchorman]

Arr well superstition/religion good bedfellows, all in and from the same camp, Macbeth, Macbeth, Macbeth, Macbeth, Macbeth, Macbeth,Macbeth.

Regards ippy. 

Thing is, though, we're trying to make our NM see hi 'accurate' is anything but....
....and 'Macbeth' is about as accurate as NM's postings.......