The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[bluehillside Retd.]

Khatru,

How big is This Wormwood star?  Is it bigger than our sun?

He told us a while ago that it's a whole "solar system"! Probably just as well really that there's no such thing. You should be aware by the way that Sparky is prone to just making up his own "facts" to support his conjectures. He told me a while back for example that the incidence or earthquakes had increased (supposedly as some kind of portent) and then just ran away when the evidence that there was no such increase was given to him.

Ah well.

[Sebastian Toe]

Khatru,

He told us a while ago that it's a whole "solar system"! Probably just as well really that there's no such thing.

There is some conjecture that there might be an object. Possibly a brown dwarf out there in a really big orbit of 10s or100s of thousands of years. However even if there is, the 'spottings' as described by Sparky are pure nonsense.

[Gordon]

According to many observers it is coming from behind the sun. It keeps peeping from beyond it at certain times and has been seen from many points all over the world. It is part of a partner solar system to our own called Nemesis and is reputed to have at least 8 planets and much debris associated with a brown dwarf star.

How many of these 'observers' are professional astronomers? They tend to know where stuff is, and I'm sure that if we had a 'partner solar system' they'd have said something by now.
   

Legend has it that it comes round on a regular orbit every few thousand years or so and causes great disturbance to this planet when it sweeps past. I have made the connection between this event and Wormwood because it fits in with the Biblical narrative in Revelation...but you can explore that yourself, as I did, and decide for yourself...YouTube is full of it.

'Legend' tends to be code for 'not literally true', which also applies to stuff on YouTube.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Seb,

There is some conjecture that there might be an object. Possibly a brown dwarf out there in a really big orbit of 10s or100s of thousands of years. However even if there is, the 'spottings' as described by Sparky are pure nonsense.

Yes I know. This though was his claim:

According to many observers it is coming from behind the sun.

Which is a long was from that. Who are these "many observers" I wonder, and what's "coming from behind the sun" exactly? I think that what we have here is just another of Sparky's made up "facts".

Oh well.

[NicholasMarks]

Seb/torriden/Gordon/bjuehillside

In your claims against me you are all in denial. In denial of the righteous teaching of Jesus Christ...the Holy Bible...many sincere Christians...science...many honest witnesses of thngs you ought to be concerned about...you are in denial of a possible escape route to all the misery beng inflicted upon  this planet and bluehillside you are in denial of scientific evidence that recotds things like earthquakes and cameras that are constantly looking out into space. No matter...it isn't my job to convince you of these things only to make you aware that it is an electric/spiritual universe that requires we follow special electric/spiritual laws that Jesus taught us called righteousness to protect yourselves aganst any eventuality incuding Wormwood.

[floo]

NM I just want to say that some of my remarks yesterday were uncalled for, and I apologise. I will never see it your way but of course you are entitled to your take on matters of faith.

[ippy]

Seb,

Yes I know. This though was his claim:

Which is a long was from that. Who are these "many observers" I wonder, and what's "coming from behind the sun" exactly? I think that what we have here is just another of Sparky's made up "facts".

Oh well.

Blue, back to Kevin the tap dancing unicorn, might be your best tack.

ippy

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

In your claims against me you are all in denial. In denial of the righteous teaching of Jesus Christ...the Holy Bible...many sincere Christians...science...many honest witnesses of thngs you ought to be concerned about...you are in denial of a possible escape route to all the misery beng inflicted upon  this planet…

No. What they/I deny is the acceptance of the logically hopeless, scientifically illiterate, un-argued and un-evidenced assertions that you expect to be taken seriously just because you happen to think them to be true.

I’ve asked you many times now why you think them to be true, and for that matter why you’d expect anyone else possessed of a functioning brain to think them to be true. You however have consistently just ignored these questions and replied over and over with the equivalent of “cheese and pickle sandwiches”.

I can only conclude therefore that we need to add to the growing pile of ignorance on which your position rests your ignorance of the difference between a “what” question and a “why” question. Sadly however, if you’d prefer not to be a laughing stock then grasping that difference will be critical. 

… and bluehillside you are in denial of scientific evidence…

It’s the opposite of that. I accept the scientific evidence wherever it happens to lead. You on the other hand just dismiss it without understanding the first thing about it when it contradicts your personal faith beliefs (evolutionary theory) or you make it up ex nihilo to support your wilder conjectures (“Nemesis solar system”).

And that’s dishonest.   

… that recotds things like earthquakes and cameras that are constantly looking out into space.

Please stop lying – it’s dull. Would Jesus be proud of you for doing it do you think? Your claim was not that there are earthquakes, but rather that their frequency is increasing. I posted the scientific evidence that tells you that this claim if flatly, unequivocally, categorically not true and you just ran away from it. Remember?

And yes of course “cameras” are constantly looking out into space. It’s called astronomy. What you’re not at liberty to do though is to lie about its findings – there is no “Nemesis” star/solar system (as you’ve variously described it) and just pretending otherwise only discredits you even further. 

No matter...it isn't my job to convince you of these things only to make you aware that it is an electric/spiritual universe that requires we follow special electric/spiritual laws that Jesus taught us called righteousness to protect yourselves against any eventuality including Wormwood.

Actually you seem to think it is your job – why otherwise would you keep trying to evangelise your personal faith beliefs here? Your problem though is not only that you have the reasoning ability of a four-year-old; it’s that you lack the self-awareness of even a four-year-old to realise how ridiculous you make yourself look when you post your catalogues of mistakes, lies and evasions.

Fix that and – finally – you might just post something worth reading.   

[Khatru]

But each argument brings Wormwood ever closer

So the movement of this Wormwood star isn't determined by gravity and its orbit around the central core of our galaxy?

Rather, it moves in response to our arguments.

That's some crazy ju-ju you'vee got there.

[Khatru]

Khatru,

He told us a while ago that it's a whole "solar system"! Probably just as well really that there's no such thing. You should be aware by the way that Sparky is prone to just making up his own "facts" to support his conjectures. He told me a while back for example that the incidence or earthquakes had increased (supposedly as some kind of portent) and then just ran away when the evidence that there was no such increase was given to him.

Ah well.

Thanks

Sparky's much-vaunted Bible talks about stars falling to the earth.  That in itself tells us that the writers of the biblical scriptures really didn't know what a star actually is. 

[NicholasMarks]

So the movement of this Wormwood star isn't determined by gravity and its orbit around the central core of our galaxy?

Rather, it moves in response to our arguments.

That's some crazy ju-ju you'vee got there.

You, Khatru, have know idea what gravity is. I say this boldly because science doesn't know either. Even so...the approach of this system is being reported and confirmed from many sources world-wide. It doesn't matter whether it bothers you or not...Wormwood is just a fiery lake of sulphur where those who have no resistance to its electric forces (now there is a clue about gravity) will be spiritually taken aboard and removed from the new heavens and the new Earth promised to those who...not necessarily call themselves Christian but certainly those who don't argue or fall-out with their neighbours or ridicule the things they simply don't understand.

The horrible thing is that if you have an indestructible spirit as Jesus tells us then whether righteous or not it will continue for all eternity. Better to survive on God's terms than on Wormwood's. It's all in the Holy Bible and in particular Revelation and it is wise to consult that source first instead of blindly ridiculing it as so many here choose to do.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

You, Khatru, have know idea what gravity is. I say this boldly because science doesn't know either. Even so...the approach of this system is being reported and confirmed from many sources world-wide. It doesn't matter whether it bothers you or not...Wormwood is just a fiery lake of sulphur where those who have no resistance to its electric forces (now there is a clue about gravity) will be spiritually taken aboard and removed from the new heavens and the new Earth promised to those who...not necessarily call themselves Christian but certainly those who don't argue or fall-out with their neighbours or ridicule the things they simply don't understand.

The horrible thing is that if you have an indestructible spirit as Jesus tells us then whether righteous or not it will continue for all eternity. Better to survive on God's terms than on Wormwood's. It's all in the Holy Bible and in particular Revelation and it is wise to consult that source first instead of blindly ridiculing it as so many here choose to do.

Cheese and pickle sandwiches.

Cheese and pickle sandwiches.

Che....

[NicholasMarks]

All:

So it would appear that whilst you are all totally oblivious of the electric/spiritual nature of the universe you openly and without justification condemn the one that taught you this and in the same breath those who have found his teaching full of meaning, comfort, truth and sincerity.

That's ok...it is what the Holy Bible and in particular the Gospels tell us will happen...in the last days.

Science cannot deny the vast amounts of invisible dynamic energy that built the mass within this universe because they have their own version of it to support their own calculations. It is surprising though that you cannot see that this self same material that could build another 13 universal masses the same as this one is dismissed as inconsequential when Jesus Christ showed us all that it is indestructible and at work within each and every one of us if we follow certain righteous guidelines.

As it is the world is in total chaos and all you seem to want is more of the same. There are millions dispossessed or suffering great injustices...there are thousands hobbling round the supermarkets every day hardly able to put one foot in front of the other...there are people constantly taking their neighbours as suckers causing great hardship and distress on a frightening scale but you  are content to ignore the one voice that warned us about all this confusion and died for us so that we can have a grasp of his special righteous laws that can put it all right.

You are electing yourselves as being unsuitable for the plans that Almighty God and Jesus Christ have in store for those who truly repent...repair...resurrection...and everlasting life...but I'm sure that you can see that rudeness, aggression and awkwardness will have no righteous rewards.

 

[BeRational]

All:

So it would appear that whilst you are all totally oblivious of the electric/spiritual nature of the universe you openly and without justification condemn the one that taught you this and in the same breath those who have found his teaching full of meaning, comfort, truth and sincerity.

That's ok...it is what the Holy Bible and in particular the Gospels tell us will happen...in the last days.

Science cannot deny the vast amounts of invisible dynamic energy that built the mass within this universe because they have their own version of it to support their own calculations. It is surprising though that you cannot see that this self same material that could build another 13 universal masses the same as this one is dismissed as inconsequential when Jesus Christ showed us all that it is indestructible and at work within each and every one of us if we follow certain righteous guidelines.

As it is the world is in total chaos and all you seem to want is more of the same. There are millions dispossessed or suffering great injustices...there are thousands hobbling round the supermarkets every day hardly able to put one foot in front of the other...there are people constantly taking their neighbours as suckers causing great hardship and distress on a frightening scale but you  are content to ignore the one voice that warned us about all this confusion and died for us so that we can have a grasp of his special righteous laws that can put it all right.

You are electing yourselves as being unsuitable for the plans that Almighty God and Jesus Christ have in store for those who truly repent...repair...resurrection...and everlasting life...but I'm sure that you can see that rudeness, aggression and awkwardness will have no righteous rewards.

All I read is "chese and pickle...."

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[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

So it would appear that whilst you are all totally oblivious of the electric/spiritual nature of the universe…

You can’t be “oblivious” to something that – so far at least – is just an assertion you’ve made. You’ve just committed again the fallacy of reification.

…you openly and without justification condemn the one that taught you this and in the same breath those who have found his teaching full of meaning, comfort, truth and sincerity.

No-one has “taught” this (though they may have asserted it – a different matter) and no-one “condemns” you if you personally happen to have found comfort in these stories. What is being said though is that – so far at least – you’ve gone not one step toward demonstrating that your claims of your personal opinions also being facts for the rest of us aren’t entirely wrong. 

That's ok...it is what the Holy Bible and in particular the Gospels tell us will happen...in the last days.

Ah, and here come the martyr complex. Good effort.

Science cannot deny the vast amounts of invisible dynamic energy that built the mass within this universe because they have their own version of it to support their own calculations. It is surprising though that you cannot see that this self same material that could build another 13 universal masses the same as this one is dismissed as inconsequential when Jesus Christ showed us all that it is indestructible and at work within each and every one of us if we follow certain righteous guidelines.

You’re referring to dark matter and to dark energy presumably, and Jesus Christ taught no such thing. Stop lying.

As it is the world is in total chaos and all you seem to want is more of the same. There are millions dispossessed or suffering great injustices...there are thousands hobbling round the supermarkets every day hardly able to put one foot in front of the other...there are people constantly taking their neighbours as suckers causing great hardship and distress on a frightening scale…

Yes, there are bad things in the world but overall for most people in most places that last few centuries have shown remarkable improvements in the main indicators of wellbeing: life expectancy, literacy, low teenage pregnancy rates, crime, equality of opportunity etc. Try Stephen Pinker’s “The Better Angels of our Nature” or the videos of Hans Rosling (the statistician) if ever you want to correct your ignorance about this. Ironically the countries with the fewest improvements tend to correlate to those that are the most religious, not the least. Funny that.   

.. but you  are content to ignore the one voice that warned us about all this confusion and died for us so that we can have a grasp of his special righteous laws that can put it all right.

I’m “content” to ignore it precisely because neither you nor anyone else has been able to demonstrate this supposed “righteousness”.   

You are electing yourselves as being unsuitable for the plans that Almighty God and Jesus Christ have in store for those who truly repent...repair...resurrection...and everlasting life...

Only according to the fantastical, logically hopeless and scientifically illiterate ramblings you post here.
 

…but I'm sure that you can see that rudeness, aggression and awkwardness will have no righteous rewards.

Perhaps, but you’ve had none of that here however much you mis-characterise the responses you receive as these things. Surely the lies, evasions, threats and pig ignorance in which you seem to delight would be more likely to disbar you from any supposed eternal life wouldn’t they?       

[Khatru]

The horrible thing is that if you have an indestructible spirit as Jesus tells us....

What do you mean "if"? 

You claim that Jesus tells us we have an indestructible spirit, yet your own post shows that you doubt this.

Looks like you don't know what you're talking about.

[NicholasMarks]

What do you mean "if"? 

You claim that Jesus tells us we have an indestructible spirit, yet your own post shows that you doubt this.

Looks like you don't know what you're talking about.

Hmmm...you are coming along nicely Khatru...you are taking your lead from devout anti-christians.

'If' here means that 'if' as Jesus said we have...but in every context about Jesus I say his accurate teaching is absolute truth. So I am being polite accepting that everyone may not realise this truth. But here is the point. Our spirit must be of a special strength to succeed in resurrection...or, indeed, from the passing of Wormwood.

There is nothing clever in joining in with a mob...in my school we called it bullying but even that has electric/spiritual laws  which I can help you with.

[BeRational]

Hmmm...you are coming along nicely Khatru...you are taking your lead from devout anti-christians.

'If' here means that 'if' as Jesus said we have...but in every context about Jesus I say his accurate teaching is absolute truth. So I am being polite accepting that everyone may not realise this truth. But here is the point. Our spirit must be of a special strength to succeed in resurrection...or, indeed, from the passing of Wormwood.

There is nothing clever in joining in with a mob...in my school we called it bullying but even that has electric/spiritual laws  which I can help you with.

There is one person who needs help!

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

Hmmm...you are coming along nicely Khatru...you are taking your lead from devout anti-christians.

'If' here means that 'if' as Jesus said we have...but in every context about Jesus I say his accurate teaching is absolute truth. So I am being polite accepting that everyone may not realise this truth. But here is the point. Our spirit must be of a special strength to succeed in resurrection...or, indeed, from the passing of Wormwood.

There is nothing clever in joining in with a mob...in my school we called it bullying but even that has electric/spiritual laws  which I can help you with.

First, you can't "not realise this truth" when you've provided no reason of any kind to think it is a truth - or at least a truth for people other than you.

Second, it's not "bullying" when more than one person follows the logic to the same conclusion. If one pupil says "2+2=5" and his classmates say, "actually 2+2=4" are they bullying him or just refusing to accept his mistake?

Third, no you can't "help" anyone - at least not until you finally manage to help yourself out of a position that's idiotic and dishonest. As you show no sign of being interested in doing that though, your "help" is about as much use as an inflatable dartboard. 

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky,

First, you can't "not realise this truth" when you've provided no reason of any kind to think it is a truth - or at least a truth for people other than you.

Second, it's not "bullying" when more than one person follows the logic to the same conclusion. If one pupil says "2+2=5" and his classmates say, "actually 2+2=4" are they bullying him or just refusing to accept his mistake?

Third, no you can't "help" anyone - at least not until you finally manage to help yourself out of a position that's idiotic and dishonest. As you show no sign of being interested in doing that though, your "help" is about as much use as an inflatable dartboard.

I know it is difficult for you bluehillside...especially as you have now locked yourself into a position that would cause you great discomfort to back off from...but let's back off a little...I have told you and anyone else who will listen that the universe is made from an electric material...this I justify by pointing out there is trillions upon trillions of megatons of electric energy contained within trillions upon trillions of electric furnaces (stars)...neither you or science can dispute this claim.

That energy bursting out of every star didn't just get their...certain mechanics put it there...this is also taught in the Holy Bible and sadly for you most of what else I say is as well. So...the highest authority in the universe according to many taught us special righteous laws to benefit us from this energy...you cannot deny this because the account of  Jesus Christ is well recorded and millions have found great comfort and faith from traumas and circumstances of an extremely dire nature...now, just wanting to rubbish that link with humanity you are bullying those who want a more peaceful existence as expressed by Jesus' teaching...so...top and bottom of it...you are leaving it too late to be safeguarded against the impending danger presented by Wormwood.

I am beginning to realise that the anti-Christ written of in the Holy Bible that will raise its ugly head in the last days is the personification of the body of people who are attracted to the doctrine and philosophy that there is no Christ even though the full force of evidence says there is.

[SusanDoris]

Sparky,

Stop lying - it's just boring.

I gave up reading NM's posts ages ago. I enjoy reading the well-written responses, but think that, on the whole, his lack of any attempt to answer questions at all sensibly might be considered bad manners.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

I know it is difficult for you bluehillside...especially as you have now locked yourself into a position that would cause you great discomfort to back off from...

Not at all. If you or anyone else could ever come up with something other than assertion such that your claims would have to be treated seriously it would be a fascinating development in human knowledge. The only discomfort I can identify here though is your own, which is presumably why you keep running away from questions and lying about what science actually says.

...but let's back off a little...I have told you and anyone else who will listen that the universe is made from an electric material...this I justify by pointing out there is trillions upon trillions of megatons of electric energy contained within trillions upon trillions of electric furnaces (stars)...neither you or science can dispute this claim.

Of course it can be disputed, because it's not true. "The universe" consists of sub-atomic particles of force and matter. An electric charge is a property of some sub-atomic particles, which determines their electromagnetic interactions. If you really wanted to looked for a force that has a greater effect on sculpting the universe you'd be better advised considering gravity.

That energy bursting out of every star didn't just get their...certain mechanics put it there...this is also taught in the Holy Bible and sadly for you most of what else I say is as well. So...the highest authority in the universe according to many taught us special righteous laws to benefit us from this energy...you cannot deny this because the account of  Jesus Christ is well recorded and millions have found great comfort and faith from traumas and circumstances of an extremely dire nature...now, just wanting to rubbish that link with humanity you are bullying those who want a more peaceful existence as expressed by Jesus' teaching...so...top and bottom of it...you are leaving it too late to be safeguarded against the impending danger presented by Wormwood.

Flat wrong in very respect.

1. Electricity doesn't "burst out of every star" at all. Material is ejected from some stars, but generally by nuclear reactions driven by intense gravitational pressure.

2. The (supposedly holy) Bible says nothing whatever about this. What you're doing is taking some vague biblical claims and re-interpreting them to fit your (mis-) understanding of scientific findings.

3. That lots of people think there is a "highest authority in the universe" says nothing about whether actually is one. That's a logical fallacy called the argumentum ad populum.

4. Even if there was to be an ultimate authority, you have no reason whatever to think that his thoughts are accurately recorded in a book.

5. People finding "comfort" in something tells you only that the belief works for them but nothing about whether the belief is well-founded.

6. Explaining to you how desperately poor your reasoning is isn't bullying; it's just explaining to you how desperately poor your reasoning is. The arguments that undo you so readily speak for themselves.

I am beginning to realise that the anti-Christ written of in the Holy Bible that will raise its ugly head in the last days is the personification of the body of people who are attracted to the doctrine and philosophy that there is no Christ even though the full force of evidence says there is.

1. Then, as always, you 'realise" wrongly.

2. There is no evidence whatever to suggest that there "is a Christ". Just proselytising your personal opinions on the matter isn't evidence - it's just proselytising your personal opinions on the matter. If you seriously want to provide some evidence, then you need to more than assert only your personal opinions.

Oh, any news on the overwhelming evidence that almost every indicator of wellbeing is improving and not getting worse as you wrongly claim?   

[Nearly Sane]

I gave up reading NM's posts ages ago. I enjoy reading the well-written responses, but think that, on the whole, his lack of any attempt to answer questions at all sensibly might be considered bad manners.

I read NM's posts. I find him invariably polite. I also don't think he lies.

[bluehillside Retd.]

NS,

I read NM's posts. I find him invariably polite. I also don't think he lies.

When mistakes are made ("Nemesis solar system", "humans springing from the loins of monkeys", "earthquakes are on the increase" etc) then it's fair to give the person making them the benefit of the doubt. When he continues to use them after he's been corrected though, I don't think the charge of lying is unreasonable.

I also take a less charitable position than you do about Sparky's behaviour. Truthfulness matters - just making up anything you like and calling it "righteous science" or some such is contemptible, and in the past (though not on this thread) he's said some disgusting things about people having terrible illnesses because they didn't share his faith beliefs.   

[Nearly Sane]

NS,

When mistakes are made ("Nemesis solar system", "humans springing from the loins of monkeys", "earthquakes are on the increase" etc) then it's fair to give the person making them the benefit of the doubt. When he continues to use them after he's been corrected though, I don't think the charge of lying is unreasonable.

I also take a less charitable position than you do about Sparky's behaviour. Truthfulness matters - just making up anything you like and calling it "righteous science" or some such is contemptible, and in the past (though not on this thread) he's said some disgusting things about people having terrible illnesses because they didn't share his faith beliefs.

I think you are applying your mind set to his and it doesn't work. He sees things his way and I don't think he sees the challenges as valid. I think you are projecting here. I take lying seriously, Vlad does it in misrepresenting others positions, I just don't see it in NM so don't make comments about it being charitable, as it implies that I am lying in my evaluation of NM for some reason if charity.

As to the other accusations, citation please.