The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[floo]

The definition of science suggests that first you collect all the data and analyse it and see what it tells you against reality. The Holy Bible is such a part of that data and tells us a great deal but you have all convinced yourselves that it is an irrelevant part of the scientific world when careful analysis shows that it contains the science of everything.

That is my view point and it would be wise to try and take in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ to guarantee that you are living that science in the most fruitful way...me...well...I just believe...and it is the Christian part of the forum after all.

The Bible is NOT part of scientific data, much of it defies scientific logic!

[floo]

Your phraseology needs working on Floo...but it is all there in the Holy Bible.

I have found it wise not to go off at tangents though so you will have to be patient.

There is NOTHING in the Bible which tells us how god was created.

As for going off at tangents you are the master where that is concerned!

[Nearly Sane]

That isn't quite how I am viewing things Seb. I say something and I get an insult in return and a statement slammed at me which hardly touches the point I have made. I try to correct that point and get accused of all sorts of things which aren't really justified because I am trying to be honest, truthful and with Biblical motivation.

The key point appears to be that the argumentative have a preconceived view of Jesus Christ...he doesn't exist in their eyes and has no right to play in their reasoning. Anyone who defends righteousness which is a huge and wonderful science knows better but your arguments get wilder, uncontrolled and often appear to be collective cyber bullying...

...but its all part of the mission.

 

Nick, at no point have I insulted you. The above makes a blanket accusation, kindly retract.

[floo]

That isn't quite how I am viewing things Seb. I say something and I get an insult in return and a statement slammed at me which hardly touches the point I have made. I try to correct that point and get accused of all sorts of things which aren't really justified because I am trying to be honest, truthful and with Biblical motivation.

The key point appears to be that the argumentative have a preconceived view of Jesus Christ...he doesn't exist in their eyes and has no right to play in their reasoning. Anyone who defends righteousness which is a huge and wonderful science knows better but your arguments get wilder, uncontrolled and often appear to be collective cyber bullying...

...but its all part of the mission.

 

Challenging your unique POV which has no basis in reality, is not cyber bullying.

[NicholasMarks]

Nick, at no point have I insulted you. The above makes a blanket accusation, kindly retract.

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[bluehillside Retd.]

Floo,

Challenging your unique POV which has no basis in reality, is not cyber bullying.

It's a card he likes to employ to avoid engaging. He'll say the equivalent of "2+2=5", get corrected on it, and reply "you're bulling me". He's seems unable to separate the person from the idea - a bad argument is a bad argument, and it's not bullying at all to point out why it's a bad argument. 

To claim that the Bible is science for example is plainly ludicrous because he's applied to its claims none of the requirements of the scientific method. Point that out though and he either ignores it (and repeats his mistake) or plays the persecution card.     

[Nearly Sane]

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thank you, appreciated

[NicholasMarks]

There is NOTHING in the Bible which tells us how god was created.

As for going off at tangents you are the master where that is concerned!

You see Floo, although you have read the Holy Bible you haven't got the theme behind it. It is constantly telling us of God's mighty power...his wonderful dymanic energy...his fountain of living waters. For it all to be accurate means that Almighty God, whom we are told is a spirit, is made of the same stuff...and so is everything else in the universe. Jesus Christ showed us how this is possible...you live a special righteous life...upbuild your own righteous spirit and partake in the wonderful fruits it offers.

Failure to do so means that there will be no place in the new heavens and new Earth to come, that no one knows tghe hour or the day when will happen but all the signs say...soon.

You should thank me not slam me.

[Sebastian Toe]

that no one knows tghe hour or the day when will happen but all the signs say...soon.

You are falling back on your old tricks again Nick!

What do you mean by 'soon'?
Weeks?
Months?
Years?
Decades?

[Sebastian Toe]

Common sense and science must say that this dimension exists because it is the state that must have been before the big-bang. Now if you fit huge clouds of dynamic energy within that pre-big-bang, tranquil state, where time stands still, we have the starting point for a wonderful universe
 

Where did the huge clouds of dynamic energy come from?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

You see Floo, although you have read the Holy Bible you haven't got the theme behind it.

That's more telling than you realise. You claim that lots of things are "in" the Bible even though they're not in the Bible at all (which is presumably why you always ignore requests for citations), but if what you actually mean is that they're in the "theme" of the Bible then of course anything that enters your head about that is fine. The "theme" of the Bible is a complete scientific explanation of the Universe? No problem at all because I, Sparky, have the magic insight the rest of you lack to realise that.

That you've applied not one hint of a jot of an iota of a morsel of the actual methods of science to the claims of the Bible matters to you not at all - after all, you've identified the "theme"!

And then you have the gall to expect people to thank you for it?

Really?

[floo]

You see Floo, although you have read the Holy Bible you haven't got the theme behind it. It is constantly telling us of God's mighty power...his wonderful dymanic energy...his fountain of living waters. For it all to be accurate means that Almighty God, whom we are told is a spirit, is made of the same stuff...and so is everything else in the universe. Jesus Christ showed us how this is possible...you live a special righteous life...upbuild your own righteous spirit and partake in the wonderful fruits it offers.

Failure to do so means that there will be no place in the new heavens and new Earth to come, that no one knows tghe hour or the day when will happen but all the signs say...soon.

You should thank me not slam me.

I haven't got your very vivid imagination where that book is concerned! You still haven't answered the question, who or what created god? I can answer that question though, it is a very human creation, imo.

[Hope]

Sparky,

WHY do you think any of those un-argued and un-evidenced claims and assertions to be true?

WHY do you believe that only things that can be argued and evidenced can be true, bhs?  After all, there are a number of things within our everyday lives that don't fit this simplistic approach very easily?

[Hope]

I haven't got your very vivid imagination where that book is concerned! You still haven't answered the question, who or what created god? I can answer that question though, it is a very human creation, imo.

And you have the evidence for that assertion, Floo?

By the way, if you do have that evidence, I'd suggest that vast swathes of academia would be very interested to see it.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Hope,

WHY do you believe that only things that can be argued and evidenced can be true, bhs?  After all, there are a number of things within our everyday lives that don't fit this simplistic approach very easily?

I don't. What I do think though is that, absent argument and evidence (and absent any other method of validation on the table) you have no means to know whether something is true. 

Your god. my leprechauns, any other conjecture we can dream up might be true but you need a connecting logic to take from "true for me only" subjective truth to "true for you too" objective truth.

And that's your problem here.

[floo]

And you have the evidence for that assertion, Floo?

By the way, if you do have that evidence, I'd suggest that vast swathes of academia would be very interested to see it.

Hope you have never produced one shred of verifiable evidence to support your belief god exists. If it does, but chooses not to make its presence clear to all so there can be no doubt of its existence, the default position is unbelief. Besides which, everything written about god in the Bible appears to be very human in design, it certainly has all the worst human characteristics.

[Khatru]

You are falling back on your old tricks again Nick!

What do you mean by 'soon'?
Weeks?
Months?
Years?
Decades?

When the author of Revelations said that Jesus was coming "soon" he really meant "soon".  Not, more than two thousand years later.

REV 22:20

Futhermore, no less a person than Paul foretold that the end would come in his lifetime and that he'd be one of those who fly up to heaven.

1 Thess. 4:15-17

Check out the first words of Jesus in the oldest surviving gospel.  "Very near" is not over two thousand years.

Mark 1:15

Luke tells us that "Even now the axe is lying at the root of the trees".  What he failed to mention is that two thousand years later it will still be lying there because his god has failed to pick it up. Of course, Luke wasn't thinking that his god would take that long.

Luke 3: 7-9

[Bubbles]

https://www.cartoonstock.com/cartoonview.asp?catref=ggm090225

I wonder if putting the seat down counts as rightious behaviour, biblically speaking.

 

[Bubbles]

https://www.cartoonstock.com/cartoonview.asp?catref=cgan3196

 

[BashfulAnthony]

Challenging your unique POV which has no basis in reality, is not cyber bullying.

Criticising is not: constant, and I mean constant, ridicule, is

[NicholasMarks]

Moving on...We now have a universe that must have existed before the big-bang. Everything was quiet and still...a very tranquil place where time stood still and no mass existed. But...to make science work something must have existed in that place. A material that has always been and always will be...an indestructible, invisible, superabundant material, that both science and Almighty God allude to in their dark matter/dynamic energy teachings...and to make science fit the facts we must state that this material just drifted around the great void of space building up into huge dense clouds of light-year proportions. Everywhere there is now a galaxy there was once a huge, dense cloud of dynamic energy that preceded it...just waiting for the trigger that science calls the big-bang...but I call God's righteous word because by that word all knowledge about the universe becomes scientifically understandable.

In the beginning was the word and that word is the light of the world.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

Moving on...We now have a universe that must have existed before the big-bang. Everything was quiet and still...a very tranquil place where time stood still and no mass existed. But...to make science work something must have existed in that place. A material that has always been and always will be...an indestructible, invisible, superabundant material, that both science and Almighty God allude to in their dark matter/dynamic energy teachings...and to make science fit the facts we must state that this material just drifted around the great void of space building up into huge dense clouds of light-year proportions. Everywhere there is now a galaxy there was once a huge, dense cloud of dynamic energy that preceded it...just waiting for the trigger that science calls the big-bang...but I call God's righteous word because by that word all knowledge about the universe becomes scientifically understandable.

In the beginning was the word and that word is the light of the world.

What do you think any of that is true?

[Sebastian Toe]

Moving on...We now have a universe that must have existed before the big-bang.

Where did that come from?

[floo]

Moving on...We now have a universe that must have existed before the big-bang. Everything was quiet and still...a very tranquil place where time stood still and no mass existed. But...to make science work something must have existed in that place. A material that has always been and always will be...an indestructible, invisible, superabundant material, that both science and Almighty God allude to in their dark matter/dynamic energy teachings...and to make science fit the facts we must state that this material just drifted around the great void of space building up into huge dense clouds of light-year proportions. Everywhere there is now a galaxy there was once a huge, dense cloud of dynamic energy that preceded it...just waiting for the trigger that science calls the big-bang...but I call God's righteous word because by that word all knowledge about the universe becomes scientifically understandable.

In the beginning was the word and that word is the light of the world.

More giggles from NM!

[bluehillside Retd.]

Seb,

Where did that come from?

He also tells us that "time stood still" when there was no space-time.

Perhaps if he'd begun, "Now are you sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin" we'd have been better prepared for the fairy tale that followed.