The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[NicholasMarks]

Some of what Jesus is quoted as saying and doing was sensible, some of it wasn't!

Everything Jesus says and does all revolves around a very advanced science. This science takes into account that the  people he is eventually talking to, the entire world, aren't very scientific at all and in fact beavily brain washed but his love for the world...or rather, the people in it, carried him through the most terrifying experience imaginable...still everyone can't be saved else why bother with a judgement at all.

[floo]

Everything Jesus says and does all revolves around a very advanced science. This science takes into account that the  people he is eventually talking to, the entire world, aren't very scientific at all and in fact beavily brain washed but his love for the world...or rather, the people in it, carried him through the most terrifying experience imaginable...still everyone can't be saved else why bother with a judgement at all.

So you keep saying, your weird idea of science maybe, but not the real science known to everyone else.

[NicholasMarks]

So you keep saying, your weird idea of science maybe, but not the real science known to everyone else.

The science I am relaying is actually taken from the Holy Bible. No Bible student who believes in its teaching can deny that Almighty God, in declaring his own powers and omnipotence is the owner of all the science contained in the universe and his son Jesus Christ wanted even you Floo, to know that resurrection is achievable to all if we follow that science. Not being of the same spiritual metal as Jesus means that we have a lesser resurrection...to a new vessel, in a new geberation...but you have got to be in it to win it.



 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So you keep saying, your weird idea of science maybe, but not the real science known to everyone else.

I'm afraid weird science crops up often in atheist circles in the form of scientism.
Certain people charged with public awareness of science have been responsible in at least not disavowing this in the general population.

[Khatru]

The simple answer...if there can be a simple answer Khatru...is...that every ones life time is a quest towards learning about God's and Jesus' teaching. Few live after there 80s and this is plenty of time to, quickly reach God's Judgement. If we upbuild a righteous spirit in that time then in death we open up a  portal that will deliver us to the next generation. in a new vessel. So God's Judgement is administered very quickly indeed. Obviously if you don't have a strong, robust spirit due to unrighteousness then you cannot take advantage of this promise and must remain entrapped in the ether until God deems it time in the last days to restore all who have ever lived back to the flesh...and because of the horrible attitude of this generation...the lack of morals, the anger, the wars, the abuse and the distress, I suspect that that time is now.This means that it is our response to righteousness in this generation that will carry us through God's Final Judgement and, we are told, Wormwood is a nasty part of that final judgement.

Notwithstanding the fact that your response has nothing to do with the point I was making, perhaps you can try to answer this question:

Why does your god hate his creation so much?

[Sebastian Toe]

I'm afraid weird science crops up often in atheist circles in the form of scientism.
Certain people charged with public awareness of science have been responsible in at least not disavowing this in the general population.

At least Nichorless has answered one of your questions Vlad regarding the beginning of the universe!

Well now you know that it was created by two big swirly clouds of dynamic energy crashing together.

Unless you want to tell Sparknick that he is wrong?
Do You?

[NicholasMarks]

Notwithstanding the fact that your response has nothing to do with the point I was making, perhaps you can try to answer this question:

Why does your god hate his creation so much?

He doesn't Khatru. He so loved the world that he sent us his only begotten son Jesus Christ to explain that evil was behind all our woes and who gave us a science to protect us from their full force. Tell me,.do you thnk that tsunamis might be triggered by nuclear test explosions.possibly weeks months or even years down the line. Is this God or evil for evil gain.

God has decreed that he will not destroy the Earth again as he did in the great  flood so we must wait for a natural event that amounts to the same thing...and I suspect it isn't far off...in the mean time we must all live together as best we can...It's all in the Holy Bible.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

The science I am relaying is actually taken from the Holy Bible.

Then it's not science for the reasons I explained earlier and you ignored. Poetry perhaps. Fiction certainly. History, moral guidance, whatever. Categorically though not science because "it makes sense in my head" is not a substitute for observation, testing, analysis and interpretation, theorising with predictive reliability, a falsifiability test, peer review etc.

Successfully apply the methods of science to the claims of the Bible and then - but only then - will you be able to claim that the Bible is science.   

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vladdy,

I'm afraid weird science crops up often in atheist circles in the form of scientism.
Certain people charged with public awareness of science have been responsible in at least not disavowing this in the general population.

And the king of the straw men is among us again. All hail!

Naturally you'll be using here your personal re-definition here of "scientism" to mean "the claim that science explains everything" rather than its actual meaning of, "giving undue weight to the methods and findings of science" won't you?

Thought so.

Incidentally, if you're not actually Sword you two really should meet - you'd get on I think what with your common tactic of re-defining terms to suit your argument, specifically "philosophical naturalism". Have fun! 

[NicholasMarks]

At least Nichorless has answered one of your questions Vlad regarding the beginning of the universe!

Well now you know that it was created by two big swirly clouds of dynamic energy crashing together.

Unless you want to tell Sparknick that he is wrong?
Do You?

Perhaps he would prefer to tell me I am wrong on the following piece of scientific mechanics at the same time...

You see..we now nave every galaxial cloud hurtling away from the impact which accellerated up to the speed of the expanding universe, around 1000 mps. Within these clouds there was already sufficient energy to create all the atoms and stars they now contain but they needed the scientific mechanics. These clouds were spinning up into violent hurricane storms and many tornades within the clouds formed...Now here is the scientific detail, missed by science but which created all the stars and atoms within those clouds. These clouds were hurtling through a static universe where time stands still and any hole between these two separate dimensions created a powerful imploding force.and hurricanes and tornadoes are rather good at creating holes both on a macro scale and the micro scales.

I'm sure you can work the rest out for yourselves but usually the disbekief comes first and then the insults because you are all brain washed to believe something quite different.

Jesus Christ can help.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

Perhaps he would prefer to tell me I am wrong on the following piece of scientific mechanics at the same time...

You see..we now nave every galaxial cloud hurtling away from the impact which accellerated up to the speed of the expanding universe, around 1000 mps. Within these clouds there was already sufficient energy to create all the atoms and stars they now contain but they needed the scientific mechanics. These clouds were spinning up into violent hurricane storms and many tornades within the clouds formed...Now here is the scientific detail, missed by science but which created all the stars and atoms within those clouds. These clouds were hurtling through a static universe where time stands still and any holebetween these two separate dimensions created a powerful imploding force.and hurricanes and tornadoes are rather good at creating holes both on a macro scale and the micro scales.

I'm sure you can work therest out for yourselves but usually the disbekief comes first and then the insults because you are all brain washed to believe something quite different.

Jesus Christ can help.

If Jesus Christ read your latest dog's breakfast of scientific illiteracy and fallacious reasoning he'd be too busy weeping quietly in a corner somewhere to help anyone.

[floo]

The science I am relaying is actually taken from the Holy Bible. No Bible student who believes in its teaching can deny that Almighty God, in declaring his own powers and omnipotence is the owner of all the science contained in the universe and his son Jesus Christ wanted even you Floo, to know that resurrection is achievable to all if we follow that science. Not being of the same spiritual metal as Jesus means that we have a lesser resurrection...to a new vessel, in a new geberation...but you have got to be in it to win it.

My husband studied theology to degree level when young, which I suspect you haven't, and once he did that became an atheist!

[Sebastian Toe]

Perhaps he would prefer to tell me I am wrong on the following piece of scientific mechanics at the same time...

You see..we now nave every galaxial cloud hurtling away from the impact which accellerated up to the speed of the expanding universe, around 1000 mps. Within these clouds there was already sufficient energy to create all the atoms and stars they now contain but they needed the scientific mechanics. These clouds were spinning up into violent hurricane storms and many tornades within the clouds formed...Now here is the scientific detail, missed by science but which created all the stars and atoms within those clouds. These clouds were hurtling through a static universe where time stands still

Tell me Nichcluless, how exactly does something move from a to b in a place where time stands still?
because the last time I looked, it takes time to get (hurtle) from a to b, doesn't it?

ps
Where did the clouds come from?
You haven't answered that yet!

[Khatru]

He doesn't Khatru. He so loved the world that he sent us his only begotten son Jesus Christ to explain that evil was behind all our woes and who gave us a science to protect us from their full force.

He so loved the world?  Why did he kill nearly everyone in this world including all the babies?  Think about that for a minute - you worship a god that kills babies.  There's nothing good about that.

If your god loves us then why does he send us to Hell?

Your god is not loving. Instead of coming regularly and leading his people by example, he leaves us in the hands of Satan, promising to return at some random time "like a thief in the night" to wreak havoc on the earth, and to judge its people with fire. 

Tell me,.do you thnk that tsunamis might be triggered by nuclear test explosions.possibly weeks months or even years down the line. Is this God or evil for evil gain.

 

They might be.  However, I'm not aware of anyone being killed by a nuclear test-generated tsunami to date.

What about the Boxing Day Tsunami?  That one killed approximately a quarter of a million people.  Your god can part the Red Sea but he did nothing to stop this tsunami.  Now that's evil

God has decreed that he will not destroy the Earth again as he did in the great  flood so we must wait for a natural event that amounts to the same thing...and I suspect it isn't far off...in the mean time we must all live together as best we can...It's all in the Holy Bible.

There is nothing natural about an event caused by a supernatural being.  The Bible is clear enough that God will destroy the earth with fire.

By the way, isn't that whole Rainbow/God/Covenant thing a load of bollocks? God created a rainbow as a sign of his promise to never again destroy the world with water.

What a hollow, empty and quite meaningless gesture that is, as we later read that at some point in the future, God will be destroying the world by fire.

It's like someone stabbing one of your family members to death and subsequently promising never to stab anyone again but saying that he will comeback sometime in the future, not with a knife but with a gun.

[floo]

Those who claim god is good when asked to give an example of its goodness either don't respond, or say how wonderful it was he sacrificed his own son for the so called 'sins' of the world. A human parent who sacrificed their child would be rightly condemned for such a dastardly act.

[BashfulAnthony]

Those who claim god is good when asked to give an example of its goodness either don't respond, or say how wonderful it was he sacrificed his own son for the so called 'sins' of the world. A human parent who sacrificed their child would be rightly condemned for such a dastardly act.

You claim to have read the NT, but that is clearly untrue.  Or if you did, you failed miserably to understand it.  The whole Book is about God's love and the fact that he sent Jesus to impart that message to us. 

If you fail to respond to this post, I will assume you concede that I am correct in my analysis.

[NicholasMarks]

Tell me Nichcluless, how exactly does something move from a to b in a place where time stands still?
because the last time I looked, it takes time to get (hurtle) from a to b, doesn't it?

ps
Where did the clouds come from?
You haven't answered that yet!

Your mistaken Seb...like everything that is indestructible this electric/spiritual material  has always been and always will be. This is a clue to something even more amazing...but you aren't ready for that yet. Time is adjustable to suit the measuring parameters. Albert Einstein said that at the speed of light time stands still...we have an extension to that mode of thought...in the static universe that is  lying beneath all this high-speed activity the same principle applies...This prompted Almighty God to say that to him a thousand years is like a day and a day is like a thousand years. There are many examples where there  has been time-warps in real life and this is just a simple gravitational warping of these same mechanics.

 

[NicholasMarks]

Those who claim god is good when asked to give an example of its goodness either don't respond, or say how wonderful it was he sacrificed his own son for the so called 'sins' of the world. A human parent who sacrificed their child would be rightly condemned for such a dastardly act.

The sacrifice of Jesus was an event that was unavoidable. Evil will demand to remove anyone that threatens their utopia and Jesus certainly did this. He held the ace card because he knew that if he followed Almighty God's righteous laws he would be resurrected and in so doing leave a wonderful faith in his wake. That has certainly proved true and now we are beginning to understand the science beneath his teaching. Those who have taken him seriously will have a righteous hope in his resurrection...those that don't had better give it serious consideration asap.

 

[NicholasMarks]

He so loved the world?  Why did he kill nearly everyone in this world including all the babies?  Think about that for a minute - you worship a god that kills babies.  There's nothing good about that.

If your god loves us then why does he send us to Hell?

Your god is not loving. Instead of coming regularly and leading his people by example, he leaves us in the hands of Satan, promising to return at some random time "like a thief in the night" to wreak havoc on the earth, and to judge its people with fire


They might be.  However, I'm not aware of anyone being killed by a nuclear test-generated tsunami to date.

What about the Boxing Day Tsunami?  That one killed approximately a quarter of a million people.  Your god can part the Red Sea but he did nothing to stop this tsunami.  Now that's evil

There is nothing natural about an event caused by a supernatural being.  The Bible is clear enough that God will destroy the earth with fire.

By the way, isn't that whole Rainbow/God/Covenant thing a load of bollocks? God created a rainbow as a sign of his promise to never again destroy the world with water.

What a hollow, empty and quite meaningless gesture that is, as we later read that at some point in the future, God will be destroying the world by fire.

It's like someone stabbing one of your family members to death and subsequently promising never to stab anyone again but saying that he will comeback sometime in the future, not with a knife but with a gun.

You may feel very aggrieved at your own reasoning Khatru but Biblical truth tells us a different tale. It tells us of a God who started this planet going again...he resurrected it after it became void and he wanted to run it as a righteous extension to his own heavenly domain. We, or those who were alive then decided to defy him and his word and soon a huge warring fraternity was claiming there was no God or that their god was better. In fact it was all a con-trick. It is useful to get people worshipping a false religion whilst false priests and false authorities enslave the masses by their good nature...but Almighty God was having none of it. He had a plan and resurrection looms large in that plan...especially as all those who ever lived will be resurrected to stand up against God's Judgement.

It's really a question of whether you can see Jesus as an honest, open, caring, righteous extension of Almighty God's true nature.

[floo]

The sacrifice of Jesus was an event that was unavoidable. Evil will demand to remove anyone that threatens their utopia and Jesus certainly did this. He held the ace card because he knew that if he followed Almighty God's righteous laws he would be resurrected and in so doing leave a wonderful faith in his wake. That has certainly proved true and now we are beginning to understand the science beneath his teaching. Those who have taken him seriously will have a righteous hope in his resurrection...those that don't had better give it serious consideration asap.

You believe that to be true NM but there is no evidence to support your assertion. Christianity over the centuries hasn't been that wonderful, it has been responsible for many atrocities and abuse, and still is today in the hands of extreme Christians.

[NicholasMarks]

My husband studied theology to degree level when young, which I suspect you haven't, and once he did that became an atheist!

With every respect Floo...theology isn't the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

[jeremyp]

The whole Book is about God's love and the fact that he sent Jesus to impart that message to us. 

Jesus: God is Love.

Potential Convert: How does he demonstrate his Love?

Jesus: By having you cast into hell for eternity for being naughty.

Potential Convert: That doesn't sound very loving.

Jesus: Ah yes but he's going to use me as a scapegoat to get you off the hook he hung you on. He's going to manipulate the Romans into killing me so you can escape hell as long as you accept you have my blood on your hands...

... Actually that does sound a bit fucked up doesn't it. I tell you what let's forget it and go out for dinner.

Potential Convert: Sounds great. Can you do that trick with the water again? Only this time, can you make gin and tonic?

[NicholasMarks]

You believe that to be true NM but there is no evidence to support your assertion. Christianity over the centuries hasn't been that wonderful, it has been responsible for many atrocities and abuse, and still is today in the hands of extreme Christians.

The accurate teaching of Jesus Christ forbids outrageous atrocities...therefore we must consider the veracity of those who led them because it could only have been iniquity.

 

[jeremyp]

The accurate teaching of Jesus Christ forbids outrageous atrocities...

Like flooding the whole world and leaving only eight people alive? Or killing the first born son of everybody in Egypt because one person got a bit uppity?

therefore we must consider the veracity of those who led them because it could only have been iniquity.

Indeed we must. The Old Testament is either full of lies or God is a monster.

[floo]

With every respect Floo...theology isn't the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

As I have said before, we have no idea if anything ascribed to Jesus was accurate.