The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[NicholasMarks]

Jesus: God is Love.

Potential Convert: How does he demonstrate his Love?

Jesus: By having you cast into hell for eternity for being naughty.

Potential Convert: That doesn't sound very loving.

Jesus: Ah yes but he's going to use me as a scapegoat to get you off the hook he hung you on. He's going to manipulate the Romans into killing me so you can escape hell as long as you accept you have my blood on your hands...

... Actually that does sound a bit fucked up doesn't it. I tell you what let's forget it and go out for dinner.

Potential Convert: Sounds great. Can you do that trick with the water again? Only this time, can you make gin and tonic?

Jesus: God is love.

Potential Convert: How does he demonstrate his Love?

Jesus: By sending me to show you how to see through all the deceit and distress evil causes...and how resurrection works.

Potential Convert: That doesn't sound very loving.

Jesus: Then don't get too concerned...but don't expect Wormwood to get too concerned either...It wont.

Potential Convert: Can you do that trick with the water again? Only this time, can you make gin and tonic?

Jesus: It's only science...I will show those who follow my righteous teaching, accurately, much more than that...shame you wont see it.

[floo]

Jesus: God is love.

Potential Convert: How does he demonstrate his Love?

Jesus: By sending me to show you how to see through all the deceit and distress evil causes...and how resurrection works.

Potential Convert: That doesn't sound very loving.

Jesus: Then don't get too concerned...but don't expect Wormwood to be too concerned either...It wont.

Potential Convert: Can you do that trick with the water again? Only this time, can you make gin and tonic?

Jesus: It's only science...I will show those who follow my righteous teaching, accurately, much more than that...shame you wont see it.

I bet Jesus had no idea of the concept of science, anymore than you seem to have!

[NicholasMarks]

Like flooding the whole world and leaving only eight people alive? Or killing the first born son of everybody in Egypt because one person got a bit uppity?
Indeed we must. The Old Testament is either full of lies or God is a monster.

It's all in the eye of the beholder. The atrocities in Egypt were because a whole nation of people were being held against their will and being treated abysmally, over many years, and without any hope what-so-ever. After a number of plagues we are told God authorised what you now complain about. I seem to remember that Moses himself was a survivor of a similar spat but at the hands of the Egyptians this time.

What we know without a shadow of doubt that there were miserable and violent attitudes in those days but God saw fit to administer his direct help to a people he had future plans for...but he didn't hide the fact that he was a mighty God who doesn't argue with riff-raf.

That's why these last days are a time when we shouldn't argue with him or his much loved son who died at the will of his father to show the faithful that death has been overcome.

It is those who are at the mercy of the people traffickers who are being fooled as the Egyptian pharaoh tried to fool God...that I feel sorry for.

[floo]

It's all in the eye of the beholder. The atrocities in Egypt were because a whole nation of people were being held against their will and being treated abysmally, over many years, and without any hope what-so-ever. After a number of plagues we are told God authorised what you now complain about. I seem to remember that Moses himself was a survivor of a similar spat but at the hands of the Egyptians this time.

What we know without a shadow of doubt that there were miserable and violent attitudes in those days but God saw fit to administer his direct help to a people he had future plans for...but he didn't hide the fact that he was a mighty God who doesn't argue with riff-raf.

That's why these last days are a time when we shouldn't argue with him or his much loved son who died at the will of his father to show the faithful that death has been overcome.

It is those who are at the mercy of the people traffickers who are being fooled as the Egyptian pharaoh tried to fool God...that I feel sorry for.

Excuses, excuses!

[jeremyp]

It's all in the eye of the beholder. The atrocities in Egypt were because a whole nation of people were being held against their will and being treated abysmally, over many years, and without any hope what-so-ever. After a number of plagues we are told God authorised what you now complain about. I seem to remember that Moses himself was a survivor of a similar spat but at the hands of the Egyptians this time.

That might be credible if God had punished the people who were actually treating the Hebrews badly. Instead, he indulged in the whole sale slaughter of every first born son regardless of whether they were actually guilty or not, including those of slaves. Furthermore, if you were a second born on who had been mistreating Hebrews, you got away scot free.

Also, nobody who drowned in the flood was guilty of mistreating hebrews.

[NicholasMarks]

That might be credible if God had punished the people who were actually treating the Hebrews badly. Instead, he indulged in the whole sale slaughter of every first born son regardless of whether they were actually guilty or not, including those of slaves. Furthermore, if you were a second born on who had been mistreating Hebrews, you got away scot free.

Also, nobody who drowned in the flood was guilty of mistreating hebrews.

You have a funny take on how manipulation, brain-washing and how obedience to false gods works. The whole world is in chaos today because of it and your omnipotent God is going to deal with it. We are given strong clues on how it will all happen. A great plague will engulf us. Wormwood is a part of that plague...almost no one will be spared but those who have followed Jesus accurately will be resurrected to continue on a new heavens and a new Earth...plus...we are also told, that Almighty God will intercede to ensure there is a righteous government ready to fill the vacuum.

If you are adamant that it isn't for you there is no need to do anything...but those who want to take advantage of this promise must do something which is really quite simple...they must allow Jesus' word to soothe away their brain-washing with the promise that this is a guaranteed way to restore ourselves from the problems induced by sin.

Arguing the point will not make one iota of difference.

 

[Sebastian Toe]

There are many examples where there  has been time-warps in real life

Go on then, name some......

[Sebastian Toe]

.almost no one will be spared

How many is that then?

[jeremyp]

You have a funny take on how manipulation, brain-washing and how obedience to false gods works.

Nope. You'd see things the same way as I do but for your obsession with one particular religion.

[NicholasMarks]

How many is that then?

Matthew 24

15  “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), 16  then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains. 17  Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, 18  and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment. 19  Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! 20  Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; 21  for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22  In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.


It's all in the Holy Bible Seb you are just not reading it...Though you might be getting great sport out of ridiculing every Biblical teaching you are separating yourself from those who will be saved...odd that...especially with such a wonderful science behind Jesus Christ's righteous word.

[NicholasMarks]

Go on then, name some......

One of my favourites is Bruce Gernon on YouTube...a classic example of what can happen to the gravitational effects of this planet...when certain electric phenomena become disturbed.  There are many others but I'll leave you to explore them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX49xam2Wts

[Sebastian Toe]

Nichlueless
You said

.almost no one will be spared

To which I asked, how many is that then?

Your reply;

Matthew 24

15  “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), 16  then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains. 17  Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, 18  and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment. 19  Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! 20  Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; 21  for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22  In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

...does not give a number!

So how many will be saved?

It's all in the Holy Bible Seb you are just not reading it...Though you might be getting great sport out of ridiculing every Biblical teaching you are separating yourself from those who will be saved...odd that...especially with such a wonderful science behind Jesus Christ's righteous word.

I read it Nickerless.
It still doesn't give a number.

I'm not ridiculing I'm asking a question, one which you seem to be unable to answer!

BTW are you going to be one of those saved?

[Sassy]

Jesus Christ taught us special righteous laws...it is no coincidence that those laws lead us to a deep and meaningful knowledge about all Creation...hence, by default, Jesus taught us what Almighty God already knew...that our human existence relies heavily on us grasping those complicated laws. We simply didn't have the intellect so Almighty God did the next best thing...he sent his only begotten son to live those laws and to show those who rather fancy repair, resurrection and everlasting life that it can only be achieved by following those righteous laws...ok.

The best advice that anyone can offer those who don't think this is true is...follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and thereby make this terrible world a better place...and also be in with a shout when that final trumpet blows.

Hi NM,

As Christ said that all the Laws and teachings of the Prophets were based on his two commandments... how, do you, propose that those who do not believe actually follow the commandment to love God with all their heart?

If you hear about Christ and reject him how can anyone follow his teachings?

[Sassy]

Floo/ippy/SebatianToe/bluehillside:

I had some good belly laughs reading your responses but there is a serious side to my post. You see...if you at least tried to follow Jesus Christ's accurate teaching you would see that spiritual/electric forces are manipulating many hordes of people and often in a perilous way. We have electric laws controlling the stars and electric laws involved in all of science so we should consider Jesus' righteous and spiritual laws to be about the same substance...an electric plasma that emanates from life as well as stars. Of course, reading the Holy Bible with this in mind might give you an extra dimension to explore and this is good because all the mechanics of the universe and of science are maneuvered via dimensional interactions that only the Holy Bible seems to understand...oh and those who read it accurately.

Did we miss the bit where Jesus taught science?
Not sure NM that we can really make a fire with this type of teaching.
Surely the creation nature would be rub two sticks together... but the truth for the bible have always been the fire which comes from the presence of the  Holy Spirit meeting with persons?

[BashfulAnthony]

Jesus: God is Love.

Potential Convert: How does he demonstrate his Love?

Jesus: By having you cast into hell for eternity for being naughty.

Potential Convert: That doesn't sound very loving.

Jesus: Ah yes but he's going to use me as a scapegoat to get you off the hook he hung you on. He's going to manipulate the Romans into killing me so you can escape hell as long as you accept you have my blood on your hands...

... Actually that does sound a bit fucked up doesn't it. I tell you what let's forget it and go out for dinner.

Potential Convert: Sounds great. Can you do that trick with the water again? Only this time, can you make gin and tonic?

A crude, unfunny and pointless piece.  Hey, that reminds me of something...

[NicholasMarks]

Nichlueless
You said

To which I asked, how many is that then?

Your reply;

...does not give a number!

So how many will be saved?


I read it Nickerless.
It still doesn't give a number.

I'm not ridiculing I'm asking a question, one which you seem to be unable to answer!

BTW are you going to be one of those saved?

It is currently an unknown quantity...Seb...for example...a sudden sincere repentance from you would throw any prediction I make out by one and until that final whistle, sorry, I mean trumpet, the whole world might repent...especially if a wonderful science were to emerge which stated that righteousness is the only way to go forward...in a repairing, responsible way. But I'm afraid some have got a lot more sincere repenting to do than others.

Did you see the amazing sunset last night??

[Bubbles]

Jesus: God is love.

Potential Convert: How does he demonstrate his Love?

Jesus: By sending me to show you how to see through all the deceit and distress evil causes...and how resurrection works.

Potential Convert: That doesn't sound very loving.

Jesus: Then don't get too concerned...but don't expect Wormwood to get too concerned either...It wont.

Potential Convert: Can you do that trick with the water again? Only this time, can you make gin and tonic?

Jesus: It's only science...I will show those who follow my righteous teaching, accurately, much more than that...shame you wont see it.

That's not a Jesus I would follow, NM.

I don't think it's the one in the bible either.

He seemed to value people and expected them to behave compassionately.

He never turned to doubting Thomas and said- shame you won't see it ( not in the bible anyway).

Nor did he say it to the woman who was being stoned for adultery or the criminal on the cross.

In fact he seemed to stand up for the downtrodden and spent his time in the company of people others ( at that time) often looked down on, women, prostitutes, tax collectors and publicans.

I seem to remember he is recorded as saying that how you judge others is how you would be judged.

You must have missed that bit.

[Brownie]

Your assessment of Jesus is much the same as mine, Rose.

NM you said: "... those who have followed Jesus accurately will be resurrected to continue on a new heavens and a new Earth.."

Nicholas, by implication there are some who have followed Jesus inaccurately.  That could apply to any of us given that Christians are a disparate group.   Are you able to pick out who is following Christianity in the correct way and who isn't?  I am certainly unable to judge.

[NicholasMarks]

Rose/Brownie:

I can try.

Remember...Jesus Christ's accurate word is paramount. I am just a miserable sinner who has realised something that many others seem to have missed...and that is that behind all Biblical teaching is a knowledge that passeth all understanding...a science...based on the true dynamics of how this universe works and Jesus is lead scientist because he delivered that knowledge to us in a very clear and distinct way.

What it boils down to is that there is a wonderful dynamic energy behind everything. Almighty God is the personification of it and Jesus taught us how to harness it...via righteousness.

Truth is the keyword here...follow Jesus as he alone taught us and we are on the right track...but remember, many people make a nice living and wonderful privileges from a distorted version of that truth so it is Jesus Christ's accurate teaching or nothing. Now, you both, are well able to read and implement Jesus' accurate word in your own lives and that is great...but I must warn you that, though many seek that narrow gate, few there is that find it.

 

[floo]

Rose/Brownie:

I can try.

Remember...Jesus Christ's accurate word is paramount. I am just a miserable sinner who has realised something that many others seem to have missed...and that is that behind all Biblical teaching is a knowledge that passeth all understanding...a science...based on the true dynamics of how this universe works and Jesus is lead scientist because he delivered that knowledge to us in a very clear and distinct way.

What it boils down to is that there is a wonderful dynamic energy behind everything. Almighty God is the personification of it and Jesus taught us how to harness it...via righteousness.

Truth is the keyword here...follow Jesus as he alone taught us and we are on the right track...but remember, many people make a nice living and wonderful privileges from a distorted version of that truth so it is Jesus Christ's accurate teaching or nothing. Now, you both, are well able to read and implement Jesus' accurate word in your own lives and that is great...but I must warn you that, though many seek that narrow gate, few there is that find it.

What you really mean NM is you have an imagination which know no bounds!

[NicholasMarks]

That's not a Jesus I would follow, NM.

I don't think it's the one in the bible either.

He seemed to value people and expected them to behave compassionately.

He never turned to doubting Thomas and said- shame you won't see it ( not in the bible anyway).

Nor did he say it to the woman who was being stoned for adultery or the criminal on the cross.

In fact he seemed to stand up for the downtrodden and spent his time in the company of people others ( at that time) often looked down on, women, prostitutes, tax collectors and publicans.

I seem to remember he is recorded as saying that how you judge others is how you would be judged.

You must have missed that bit.

This was a tongue in cheek response to an atheist response which  was very sarcastic and I used his own words and twisted it to suit a truth that atheists need to realise. It wasn't intended for the consumption of the more righteous.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

I am just a miserable sinner who has realised something that many others seem to have missed...

As you are clearly lost to reason, I'm going to leave you to your fantasising.

Just before I do though, consider for a moment the Large Hadron Collider - the world's most powerful particle accelerator designed to conduct a suite of experiments to answer some of the fundamental open questions in physics concerning the basic laws governing the interactions and forces among the elementary objects, the deep structure of space and time, and the interrelation between quantum mechanics and general relativity. Fundamental information about the way the universe actually works.

Did you know that:

1. It cost £2.6bn to build.

2. The protons, when the machine is at full power, travel at a 99.9999991% of the speed of light.

3. The collisions generate temperatures more than 100,000 times hotter than the centre of the Sun.

4. Around 10,000 scientists and engineers from more than 60 countries work on LHC, supported by many more from universities and research facilities around the world.

5. The most powerful supercomputer system in the world was built to analyse the data generated by the LHC. It’s called the Grid and is formed from tens of thousands of interconnected computers scattered around the world. The data recorded by each of the big experiments at the LHC would fill around 100,000 dual-layer DVDs every year.

And then there's you. Little old you, who turns up on an internet message board to tell us that what all these people have "missed" is your grandiose conjectures about a "wonderful" this and a "dynamic" that. And you know this - really, really know this - because you've chosen to interpret a book you think to be "holy" in a particular way and because of a few YouTube videos. And what happens when you're challenged on your mistakes? You play the persecution card.

At some point surely something of this must penetrate the ignorant certainties you so relentlessly parade and jealously guard here mustn't it?

Mustn't it?   

[Nearly Sane]

Moderator a number of posts have been removed from the thread which were deemed to both be a derail of the topic and in some to be in breach of the rules (link provided below), in particular 1.h.

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=7765.0

[Brownie]

NM: "...realised something that many others seem to have missed...and that is that behind all Biblical teaching is a knowledge that passeth all understanding. ..."

I have a sense of the knowledge being something that transcends Biblical study;  the things we worry and argue about here would occupy a far smaller proportion of our lives than they do now.   Do you believe everyone can achieve that?  Whilst I know one must be open, I can't help feeling that many will be, sincerely, worrying until Kingdom Come because it is in their God-given nature.  In which case, they cannot be ascribed blame.

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky,

As you are clearly lost to reason, I'm going to leave you to your fantasising.

Just before I do though, consider for a moment the Large Hadron Collider - the world's most powerful particle accelerator designed to conduct a suite of experiments to answer some of the fundamental open questions in physics concerning the basic laws governing the interactions and forces among the elementary objects, the deep structure of space and time, and the interrelation between quantum mechanics and general relativity. Fundamental information about the way the universe actually works.

Did you know that:

1. It cost £2.6bn to build.

2. The protons, when the machine is at full power, travel at a 99.9999991% of the speed of light.

3. The collisions generate temperatures more than 100,000 times hotter than the centre of the Sun.

4. Around 10,000 scientists and engineers from more than 60 countries work on LHC, supported by many more from universities and research facilities around the world.

5. The most powerful supercomputer system in the world was built to analyse the data generated by the LHC. It’s called the Grid and is formed from tens of thousands of interconnected computers scattered around the world. The data recorded by each of the big experiments at the LHC would fill around 100,000 dual-layer DVDs every year.

And then there's you. Little old you, who turns up on an internet message board to tell us that what all these people have "missed" is your grandiose conjectures about a "wonderful" this and a "dynamic" that. And you know this - really, really know this - because you've chosen to interpret a book you think to be "holy" in a particular way and because of a few YouTube videos. And what happens when you're challenged on your mistakes? You play the persecution card.

At some point surely something of this must penetrate the ignorant certainties you so relentlessly parade and jealously guard here mustn't it?

Mustn't it?

I would have thought it obvious bluehillside that I was talking about a naturally induced collider and used the Hadron name to empathise that the mechanics were similar...that is, two dense energy sources hurtling towards each other at high-speed...colliding with each other and creating the things that science is searching for in their $2 billion mock up of it.

I'm sorry if you couldn't stretch your mind round this but I am sorrier that you don't find the Biblical comfort I do from such a wonderful teaching as the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.