The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sword,

What you have said here can be applied to any book. Short of being there and being able to observe for myself, there is no way to know for sure. I choose to believe it by faith however.

That's nice - provided that is you remember that your choosing to believe it as a matter of faith makes it just your personal opinion on the matter and not an argument for a "true for you too" god. 

It would be worse. Sir David Attenborough claims that life started in the sea four billion years ago when complex chemicals began to come together. Life from non-life. Observable? If so, where? Demonstrable? If so, how?

Seriously?

The origin of life is uncertain, but biochemistry provided evidence from how primitive nucleic acids, amino acids and other building blocks of life could have formed and organised themselves into self-replicating, self-sustaining units. This would be the pre-cursor to cellular biochemistry. Astrochemical analyses suggest that some of these compounds might have originated arrived in comets, which in turn could solve the problem of how they arose under the conditions that prevailed when our planet was young.

Creationists claim that the incomplete answer to the origins of life on earth somehow invalidates evolutionary theory. It does no such thing though because the theory is still confirmed by countless observations of the fossil record, of DNA etc. This is still true even if it turned out that, say, life was started by aliens seeding Earth and then disappearing.

And even if none of that was he case, you'd still committing the basic logical error of the argument from personal incredulity, closely followed no doubt by the god of the gaps fallacy.

Your efforts here are really, really poor stuff old son. Really poor.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sword,

Evidence, interpreted with a worldview that says

given that life started and developed naturally, how did it happen?

Fair enough, if that's what you choose to believe. I prefer to see (believe) DNA as evidence of common design, in the same way that letters are used for written text, notes are used for all written music, code is used for all computer software, etc.

A belief for which you could have been forgiven back in 1802 when William Paley published his famous watch analogy - "it looks complicated, therefore it must have been designed".

These days though there's no excuse for it given what we actually know about DNA and its development over time.

Perhaps if you tried reading a book on the subject or something? 

[floo]

Dear All...

I have just given you all the evidence you need. I have said that all the evidence of modern science is on the right track just put together all wrong...but with certain key-points extracted from the Holy Bible their sciences  makes even more sense than modern scientists today realise.

Almighty God wants to help you...even though you slander and slag him off daily...especially, more so now that we are in the last days...after which repentance will be futile.

If you look around the world today you see a world full of pain...your pain as well as everyone else's. Repairing our crumbling health should be our first priority...those who get a head start will have the best chance of survival in the new heavens and the new Earth.

So...ok...If you ignore your own sciences, I could have made the whole thing up...but you can't blame me for the Holy Bible...which says the same things.

God is love...he wants us to know that his loving force is freely available to those who can meet his requirements which are righteousness...if there is any doubts about what righteousness is consult the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

As usual you have made assertions, which you can't substantiate.

[ippy]

ippy

You think?

I'm just trying another approach B R, It'd be a step forward if somehow we broke this circular reaction of his, can't see it's going to happen.

ippy 

[ippy]

Dear All...

I have just given you all the evidence you need. I have said that all the evidence of modern science is on the right track just put together all wrong...but with certain key-points extracted from the Holy Bible their sciences  makes even more sense than modern scientists today realise.

Almighty God wants to help you...even though you slander and slag him off daily...especially, more so now that we are in the last days...after which repentance will be futile.

If you look around the world today you see a world full of pain...your pain as well as everyone else's. Repairing our crumbling health should be our first priority...those who get a head start will have the best chance of survival in the new heavens and the new Earth.

So...ok...If you ignore your own sciences, I could have made the whole thing up...but you can't blame me for the Holy Bible...which says the same things.

God is love...he wants us to know that his loving force is freely available to those who can meet his requirements which are righteousness...if there is any doubts about what righteousness is consult the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

In your post above Nick you said, "Almighty God wants to help you", this claim that you know almighty god want's to help us, it's only possible to say this if you have viable evidence to back up this assertion of yours.

The fact that you haven't any viable evidence that would back up your god idea also negates the bible as a sauce of evidence because without supportable evidence for this god figure of yours it then short circuits the bible because it becomes unsupportable due to the complete lack of viable evidence of god existing therefore no god no evidence for any of the godly things mentioned in the bible.

If you can understand the above why would you come back talking about any kind of god given guidance, instead of answering with some irrefutable evidence for this god of yours, or as you should be admitting that you haven't got any evidence that would support this god idea of yours.

I think because there is no evidence that would support the idea of gods throws you into denial and that's why you won't answer and never have however the question is posed to you.

Where's the evidence for this god of yours Nick, that's the question you're being asked, no sermon wanted,  needed or asked for?

ippy

 

[BashfulAnthony]

ippy,

A challenge for you: see if you can go for a week without using the term, "verifiable evidence."  Bet you can't.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

[quote author=bluehillside link=topic=12525.msg635785#msg635785 date=1474472283

These days though there's no excuse for it given what we actually know about DNA and its development over time.

[/quote]
Yes DNA is a brilliant bit of Kit isn't it.
And the great part is that life will next appear from mere chemicals by the design of intelligent scientists.

[Nearly Sane]

[quote author=bluehillside link=topic=12525.msg635785#msg635785 date=1474472283

These days though there's no excuse for it given what we actually know about DNA and its development over time.


Yes DNA is a brilliant bit of Kit isn't it.
And the great part is that life will next appear from mere chemicals by the design of intelligent scientists.

Which is another example of saying that non naturalism is different, but then saying it is the same. Meaning that your entire approach is based on a logical contradiction here. You need to calm down, stop posting for a while, actually read posts rather than saying a Methodist lay preacher is somehow trying to be overly shitey about theism,  and try and understand that not only are you painting yourself into a corner, but once in the corner deciding to paint yourself.

[NicholasMarks]

In your post above Nick you said, "Almighty God wants to help you", this claim that you know almighty god want's to help us, it's only possible to say this if you have viable evidence to back up this assertion of yours.

The fact that you haven't any viable evidence that would back up your god idea also negates the bible as a sauce of evidence because without supportable evidence for this god figure of yours it then short circuits the bible because it becomes unsupportable due to the complete lack of viable evidence of god existing therefore no god no evidence for any of the godly things mentioned in the bible.

If you can understand the above why would you come back talking about any kind of god given guidance, instead of answering with some irrefutable evidence for this god of yours, or as you should be admitting that you haven't got any evidence that would support this god idea of yours.

I think because there is no evidence that would support the idea of gods throws you into denial and that's why you won't answer and never have however the question is posed to you.

Where's the evidence for this god of yours Nick, that's the question you're being asked, no sermon wanted,  needed or asked for?

ippy

Of course...Wormwood will have the last say on this matter. Jesus Christ and Almighty God  want to help us because they have told us the only universal laws that will. They have laid down their terms and conditions...all summed up in one word...righteousness...the same laws Jesus taught us. We know, if we read the sentiment, accuracy and truth in their written word, that even we will be resurrected...even you...but some will go to eternal life and others to eternal damnation. 

God isn't slow as some consider slowness...he is holding back so that all those who can be saved, are saved.

You see...and I am sorry for keep saying this, though it is in your own best interest...that all the mass in the universe, including you and me, is made from an indestructible, dynamic energy...God's spiritual waters, God's Fountain of Living Waters...dark matter if you prefer...but the only people who seem to know about this is Almighty God and Jesus Christ who went to exceptional pains to tell us about it. Actually, they told us much more because Jesus' accurate teaching will keep us going for all eternity...not one word of his accurate teaching will change and the science that ebbs from his accurate word will do the rest.

Don't believe if you don't want to ippy...just prepare yourself for a very unpleasant everlasting journey.

[NicholasMarks]

Sword,

That's nice - provided that is you remember that your choosing to believe it as a matter of faith makes it just your personal opinion on the matter and not an argument for a "true for you too" god. 

Seriously?

The origin of life is uncertain, but biochemistry provided evidence from how primitive nucleic acids, amino acids and other building blocks of life could have formed and organised themselves into self-replicating, self-sustaining units. This would be the pre-cursor to cellular biochemistry. Astrochemical analyses suggest that some of these compounds might have originated arrived in comets, which in turn could solve the problem of how they arose under the conditions that prevailed when our planet was young.

Creationists claim that the incomplete answer to the origins of life on earth somehow invalidates evolutionary theory. It does no such thing though because the theory is still confirmed by countless observations of the fossil record, of DNA etc. This is still true even if it turned out that, say, life was started by aliens seeding Earth and then disappearing.

And even if none of that was he case, you'd still committing the basic logical error of the argument from personal incredulity, closely followed no doubt by the god of the gaps fallacy.

Your efforts here are really, really poor stuff old son. Really poor.

It seems to me...supported by Biblical evidence and the evidence of evolution that there are two standards in our planetary history. The Creation is sacrosanct but we must remember all the fossil evidence and such like...We know that this planet suffered a severe blow that killed off dinosaurs...it would fit in with Biblical teaching if it put this planet into a tidal lock. All life was extinguished and the planet void whilst still carrying the chemistry that supported life as it did in its previous existence.

All God would have needed to do is give this  planet a little spin and Genesis 1 would unfold very quickly.

What this all boils down to is that the raw, unknown, catastrophic laws of the universe...including evolution were overpowered by the taking over of those crude laws and replaced with righteous, spiritual, electric laws. Laws to suit the new species that Almighty God had purposely placed here. Laws to suit the new universe represented by these laws.   

You see...there is an answer to all problems if we consult the Holy Bible accurately.

[ippy]

Of course...Wormwood will have the last say on this matter. Jesus Christ and Almighty God  want to help us because they have told us the only universal laws that will. They have laid down their terms and conditions...all summed up in one word...righteousness...the same laws Jesus taught us. We know, if we read the sentiment, accuracy and truth in their written word, that even we will be resurrected...even you...but some will go to eternal life and others to eternal damnation. 

God isn't slow as some consider slowness...he is holding back so that all those who can be saved, are saved.

You see...and I am sorry for keep saying this, though it is in your own best interest...that all the mass in the universe, including you and me, is made from an indestructible, dynamic energy...God's spiritual waters, God's Fountain of Living Waters...dark matter if you prefer...but the only people who seem to know about this is Almighty God and Jesus Christ who went to exceptional pains to tell us about it. Actually, they told us much more because Jesus' accurate teaching will keep us going for all eternity...not one word of his accurate teaching will change and the science that ebbs from his accurate word will do the rest.

Don't believe if you don't want to ippy...just prepare yourself for a very unpleasant everlasting journey.

Nick do you have trouble with your hearing too only you've had my post in front of you and responded to someone else's; now go back to my post 454 on this thread and can I have a reply to that post please, instead of this lot.

ippy

[ippy]

ippy,

A challenge for you: see if you can go for a week without using the term, "verifiable evidence."  Bet you can't.

Have you got viable evidence that I use that term every week B A?

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

Nick do you have trouble with your hearing too only you've had my post in front of you and responded to someone else's; now go back to my post 454 on this thread and can I have a reply to that post please, instead of this lot.

ippy

Your post was answered in post #458 ippy. If I were as rude as you I could make nasty remarks and ridicule towards you because of it...but I just put it down to heavy brain-washing.

Jesus Christ is an expert in this field and I know your health and your rudeness will feel much better for it.

[Sebastian Toe]

.it would fit in with Biblical teaching if it put this planet into a tidal lock.

Ah Nick, the tidal lock!
Do you remember once upon a time when the 'accurate teachings/science' of the bible used to day that the planet was not in a tidal lock but actually not spinning at all?

Now remind us all, was was it an atheist who had to correct the 'accurate science'?

[NicholasMarks]

Ah Nick, the tidal lock!
Do you remember once upon a time when the 'accurate teachings/science' of the bible used to day that the planet was not in a tidal lock but actually not spinning at all?

Now remind us all, was was it an atheist who had to correct the 'accurate science'?

I remember it well Seb. I would go as far as to say it was you...but when you are on a learning curve you find out by your mistakes...that is why you cannot fault that point now. I said what I said then except I put it grammatically correct.

Funny how you totally miss the point of the post.

[Sebastian Toe]

.but when you are on a learning curve you find out by your mistakes...

That's correct Nick.

.that is why you cannot fault that point now.

...ooooohhhhh yes I can, but you probably wouldn't (want to) understand because you are too far gone, too far gone!

[Sebastian Toe]

Funny how you totally miss the point of the post.

There was a point?

[SweetPea]

Nicholas, do you think 'Wormwood' could be PlanetX/Nibiru. There was a so-called ninth planet reported to have been found within our solar system, at the beginning of the year. It is said to be possibly ten times the size of the earth.

[NicholasMarks]

Nicholas, do you think 'Wormwood' could be PlanetX/Nibiru. There was a so-called ninth planet reported to have been found within our solar system, at the beginning of the year. It is said to be possibly ten times the size of the earth.

More or less SweetPea but the evidence suggests it's much worse than that. I'm not going to labour the point too much because those who are trying to follow Jesus will be saved...not necessarily in the way we might think but in the way the Holy Bible thinks. It is those poor souls who will be swept up into its gravitationlnal upheaval I want to make aware...because there will be no turning back.

[Sebastian Toe]

Nicholas, do you think 'Wormwood' could be PlanetX/Nibiru. There was a so-called ninth planet reported to have been found within our solar system, at the beginning of the year. It is said to be possibly ten times the size of the earth.

That's a planet.
However Nick's assertion is that there is a whole star system out there.
So they wont be one and the same thing!

[NicholasMarks]

That's a planet.
However Nick's assertion is that there is a whole star system out there.
So they wont be one and the same thing!

As I said, I don't want to labour the point too much other than perhaps to guide you to Revelation where it is all made perfetly clear. The approach is clearly being felt and observed today...but the sinister thing is we aren't being told directly. Still it can't be denied for much longer and the only preparation we will need is to follow Jesus Christ' accurate teaching...This way we upbuild a robust righteous spirit which will ensure that we will not be snatched away and will be in the correct frame of mind to pick up the pieces afterwards...but you can only warn people and hope that they listen...even if they wont admit it.

[BeRational]

Nick

Actually I have taken a course in Jesus accurate teaching and I now know that you are wrong.

You have been fooled by the devil.

[Sassy]

Nick

Actually I have taken a course in Jesus accurate teaching and I now know that you are wrong.

You have been fooled by the devil.

Evidence please!








Well, you started it!

[BeRational]

Evidence please!








Well, you started it!

It's a result of my intensive studies like Nick has done, in much the same way, but I have discovered that he is completely wrong. He has made a mistake and has been taken in by the devil.

His calculations are not accurate, like mine are.

[NicholasMarks]

It's a result of my intensive studies like Nick has done, in much the same way, but I have discovered that he is completely wrong. He has made a mistake and has been taken in by the devil.

His calculations are not accurate, like mine are.

As you will have already realised then BeRational...The course is open to everyone. It simply means implementing the word of Jesus Christ accurately. Sadly, many, even with good intent, think they are following Jesus but are actually following a misrepresentation of his word. This is where understanding the electric nature of the universe comes in and why few there are that find that path.

Still...as long as you are trying to follow his teaching, more and more will be made known to you.

On the other hand...you might just be saying that, tongue in cheek, for a laugh...and this is my take on your post.

Part of the mechanics of Jesus' teaching is to lift us out of brain-washing...wherever it springs from...and the science says this is a huge problem in the health of this world's populations today...it can even get you crucified.