The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[NicholasMarks]

Ah yes, the old saw about the birth of the Catholic Church under Constantine, proclaimed as the start of the perversion of Christ's treaching by numerous Protestant sects (and also by apparently your own favourite sect, the Jehovah's Witnesses). I notice you often quote from their 'New World' "translation" (very much in inverted commas). However, you seem to have departed dramatically from their teaching on hell, since the JWs have always insisted that 'hell' is not a place of eternal torment - one of the few good things that the JWs have come up with, and which accords well with what is evident from the Old Testament scriptures, at least. (Those of us who have actually read the OT will know this. Others prefer to make extrapolations, because God is not always portrayed as particularly 'righteous' there)

If you know Jesus then you also know Almighty God...not because they are the same person but because they are both influenced by the same righteous laws. Righteous laws have to have a crumb of reasoning behind them so that two beings want to follow the same rules...the same rules that millions have wanted to understand and follow but unfortunately it could only be followed by faith because it is a knowledge that passeth all understanding or it did...until we came to realise that everything is energy...God's energy...as presented to us by Jesus Christ.

[NicholasMarks]

In the gospels, Jesus makes only one statement which could possibly construed as science, and that is where he gives his own version of "Red sky at night, shepherd's delight; red sky at morning, shepherd's warning"*. That of course is an ancient saying of country lore, but in fact does have a fair amount of scientific data to explain why this is very often true. That is the limit of Jesus' science.

You often make some bizarre assertions about the correlation between applying what you consider "biblical science" and a person's bodily health, by which I can only assume that you are making the outrageous suggestion that if a committed Christian becomes ill, then their understanding of the Bible is somehow in error. If this is the case, the implication is monstrous; perhaps you should read the Book of Job again. The latter is an attempt to explain (a failed attempt in my view) undeserved human suffering. As I say, it is a failed attempt at an explanation, but it is at least an earnest attempt by the ancients to grapple with the problem.

*Matthew 16:2,3

In the Holy Bible there are numerous suggestions that Almighty God has authority over everything which is saying he is the highest authority over all the scientific laws that exist. It's not surprising then that he keeps alluding to these scientific points though in terms that the people he wants to appeal to can get their heads around them. Millions come to Jesus in despair...they have followed the laws of man and have come up against a brick wall. They are reaching out from under their sins and, just as Jesus promised, they are lifted into a new dimension of understanding, but often, the damage has already been done.

By following the way, the truth, and the life, of Jesus Christ, accurately, we can embark on a new path which can lift us out of our sins.

If Jesus says we are all sinners...abusers of righteous laws...then who are you Dicky to contradict him??

[Gonnagle]

Dear Septic Toe,

It must be me, me alone who finds our Nicholas's dry wit absolutely wonderful, when we are up to, what! page 22, with all his detractors he still replies with politeness and humour to all those who try to dismiss him.

Oh, no, how long is shortly??

Well, longer than soon, but, perhaps, not as long as it will take for you to adequately repent, Seb...and that isn't good.

God Bless you Nicholas.

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Septic Toe,

It must be me, me alone who finds our Nicholas's dry wit absolutely wonderful, when we are up to, what! page 22, with all his detractors he still replies with politeness and humour to all those who try to dismiss him.

God Bless you Nicholas.

Gonnagle.

Never alone, Gonzo.

[Gordon]

Dear Septic Toe,

It must be me, me alone who finds our Nicholas's dry wit absolutely wonderful, when we are up to, what! page 22, with all his detractors he still replies with politeness and humour to all those who try to dismiss him.

God Bless you Nicholas.

Gonnagle.

I'm with you on this, Gonners.

[Sebastian Toe]

Dear Septic Toe,

It must be me, me alone who finds our Nicholas's dry wit absolutely wonderful, when we are up to, what! page 22, with all his detractors he still replies with politeness and humour to all those who try to dismiss him.

God Bless you Nicholas.

Gonnagle.

He does indeed Gunnerside but you forgot to add - and even more nonsense.

That's why we all love him!

[NicholasMarks]

All...

I think what is important here is that Jesus speaks to us, even today, in a righteous, spiritual language…a language carved from fully understanding the electric/spiritual nature of the universe and in these last days it has a greater significance than ever before.

The world wants to squeeze out all teachings of righteousness because it goes against their brain-washing but Jesus won’t be silenced. We, however, have allowed the mechanics of brain washing to overpower goodness and we should endeavour to restore that imbalance…even here where the atheist tries to knock back the word of Jesus with Dawkinism.

When searching for truth we often make mistakes and say the wrong things but if we are steered by Jesus Christ’s accurate word…we are heading towards resurrection and everlasting life.

[BashfulAnthony]

All...

I think what is important here is that Jesus speaks to us, even today, in a righteous, spiritual language…a language carved from fully understanding the electric/spiritual nature of the universe and in these last days it has a greater significance than ever before.

The world wants to squeeze out all teachings of righteousness because it goes against their brain-washing but Jesus won’t be silenced. We, however, have allowed the mechanics of brain washing to overpower goodness and we should endeavour to restore that imbalance…even here where the atheist tries to knock back the word of Jesus with Dawkinism.

When searching for truth we often make mistakes and say the wrong things but if we are steered by Jesus Christ’s accurate word…we are heading towards resurrection and everlasting life.

NM,

Jesus is my life, and all I need is to read His words in the NT, and try to do as He says.  That is how He speaks to me, and I need no elaborate theories and verbose lectures to tell me more.  It is quite simple really.

[NicholasMarks]

NM,

Jesus is my life, and all I need is to read His words in the NT, and try to do as He says.  That is how He speaks to me, and I need no elaborate theories and verbose lectures to tell me more.  It is quite simple really.

I couldn't agree more...but, the evidence displayed here, and in these last days suggest that many do need that teaching and, perhaps, explained within the framework of why Jesus is 100% correct   If your salvation is assured, well done, but I'm not sure mine is, which suggests that many who think they are all right in this regard, might be following iniquity instead.

It's Jesus' accurate word we must follow by trimming our lamps and getting Jesus' accurate word to shine brightly instead of dismissing the best efforts of someone trying to help.

 

[Sebastian Toe]

I am listing global warming, severe climate change, the secret preparations of powerful governments, the earthquakes, the mass death of various creatures, the numerous sightings which indicate something enormous is in our midst, the Holy Bible that tells us about it coming, describing it as like a woman who goes into labour and progressively the pains get worse until the climax of that activity presents itself...I don't need to go into heavy debate about this...the proof will be be with you shortly.

No need for a heavy debate Nickspark.
We can have a nice wee chat about the 'accuracy' of how some of the above agrees with or contradicts with;
 'The approach is clearly being felt and observed today'

You never know Nick, as you say you are still learning so there is room for one or more 'tidal lock' moments, is there not?

Unless Nick, you don't want to have any more tidal-lock moments because you are afraid of them.
Are you?

[BashfulAnthony]

I couldn't agree more...but, the evidence displayed here, and in these last days suggest that many do need that teaching and, perhaps, explained within the framework of why Jesus is 100% correct   If your salvation is assured, well done, but I'm not sure mine is, which suggests that many who think they are all right in this regard, might be following iniquity instead.

It's Jesus' accurate word we must follow by trimming our lamps and getting Jesus' accurate word to shine brightly instead of dismissing the best efforts of someone trying to help.

I don't know what the Lord has in store for me, but I pray for redemption every day.

[Sebastian Toe]

....... instead of dismissing the best efforts of someone trying to help.

...not necessarily dismissing them Nick.
The problem I think is that you are making bold statements about things like 'Wormwood' but very carefully avoiding getting into the detail that could in fact convince some here.
Remember , if that detail was 'accurate' enough then those same people might even join you and repent, you never know. But you don't seem to try very hard in that regard.

Some people however might think that your circular arguments and constant repetition - rather than engagement, is a sign that perhaps your really, really haven't got a clue about some of the things which you espouse.

[NicholasMarks]

...not necessarily dismissing them Nick.
The problem I think is that you are making bold statements about things like 'Wormwood' but very carefully avoiding getting into the detail that could in fact convince some here.
Remember , if that detail was 'accurate' enough then those same people might even join you and repent, you never know. But you don't seem to try very hard in that regard.

Some people however might think that your circular arguments and constant repetition - rather than engagement, is a sign that perhaps your really, really haven't got a clue about some of the things which you espouse.

That's ok Seb...you see...by putting my points across with you, it means that the meek...the true inheritors of this planet...can get an insight without all the hassle I suffer. They can quietly and meaningfully adjust their feelings of injustice so that they are fully aware that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are now preparing for the greatest upheaval which they forewarned us about and which will release those people from all oppression.

Oppression starts with brain-washing and good-health starts with over powering that brain washing.

Jesus Christ is the man who understands this better than anyone else. We know this because they couldn't brain-wash him.

[bluehillside Retd.]

BA,

I don't know what the Lord has in store for me, but I pray for redemption every day.

Just out of interest, why?

If there is a "God of the omnis" then presumably "He" would be aware of your behaviour and would decide for Himself whether that was good enough to get you to the pearly gates. Do you think that praying will in some way cause him to change his mind about that and - if not - what do you think the point of it to be? 

[NicholasMarks]

BA,

Just out of interest, why?

If there is a "God of the omnis" then presumably "He" would be aware of your behaviour and would decide for Himself whether that was good enough to get you to the pearly gates. Do you think that praying will in some way cause him to change his mind about that and - if not - what do you think the point of it to be?

Wrong, wrong, and then wrong...again. There are no pearly gates, (error) yet...and only a few in number, compared with how many have ever lived will see Heaven...and these will be those who have carried the righteous torch to the nth degree.

We have got to prepare for a Heaven, here, on planet Earth. Now Jesus knows that many good-hearted people will come against a brick-wall...The time when righteousness exhausts itself and you see so many people getting away with dirty tricks...this is when we decide whether we want to be part of those dirty tricks...or not. Righteousness offers a way forward and when we start we can't stop...mainly because it reveals truths to us at our own level of understanding and these give us great comfort.

[Sassy]

In the Holy Bible there are numerous suggestions that Almighty God has authority over everything which is saying he is the highest authority over all the scientific laws that exist. It's not surprising then that he keeps alluding to these scientific points though in terms that the people he wants to appeal to can get their heads around them. Millions come to Jesus in despair...they have followed the laws of man and have come up against a brick wall. They are reaching out from under their sins and, just as Jesus promised, they are lifted into a new dimension of understanding, but often, the damage has already been done.

By following the way, the truth, and the life, of Jesus Christ, accurately, we can embark on a new path which can lift us out of our sins.

If Jesus says we are all sinners...abusers of righteous laws...then who are you Dicky to contradict him??

And you Nick, do you believe that the end from the beginning has been known by God.
That he knows all that will and will not be? If so, then what do you believe can be greater than the power and knowledge of Jesus Christ to the world, and your fellow man.

Are these arguments and points you place forth greater than the effect of people acknowledging Christ in their lives?

Man on both sides can try and convince each other with knowledge alone. Even try and make the knowledge of each other a way forth for a meeting of the minds and a discovering of the truth.

God has given his ways through the Prophets and especially Moses. But Jeremiah and Jesus Christ gave the final way.
If only man would take that step to know what Christ claims and accept what he taught. Only then would they find the answers that man has sought since the dawn of the first day they were created... They would find a living relationship with God again, a pardon and love of truth.

[NicholasMarks]

And you Nick, do you believe that the end from the beginning has been known by God.
That he knows all that will and will not be? If so, then what do you believe can be greater than the power and knowledge of Jesus Christ to the world, and your fellow man.

Are these arguments and points you place forth greater than the effect of people acknowledging Christ in their lives?

Man on both sides can try and convince each other with knowledge alone. Even try and make the knowledge of each other a way forth for a meeting of the minds and a discovering of the truth.

God has given his ways through the Prophets and especially Moses. But Jeremiah and Jesus Christ gave the final way.
If only man would take that step to know what Christ claims and accept what he taught. Only then would they find the answers that man has sought since the dawn of the first day they were created... They would find a living relationship with God again, a pardon and love of truth.

No arguments there Sassy...I only know what my job is in context with what you have stated...and that is to establish that this electric/spiritual universe owned and best understood by Almighty God has methods and techniques which will benefit all those who put their faith in Jesus Christ accurately. And in this day and age, as in all previous ages, resurrection into this last generation and beyond has been our greatest asset.

[torridon]

We have got to prepare for a Heaven, here, on planet Earth. Now Jesus knows that many good-hearted people will come against a brick-wall...The time when righteousness exhausts itself and you see so many people getting away with dirty tricks...this is when we decide whether we want to be part of those dirty tricks...or not. Righteousness offers a way forward and when we start we can't stop...mainly because it reveals truths to us at our own level of understanding and these give us great comfort.

How would a heaven on planet Earth work ? Is there going to be a cessation of earthquakes and meteor strikes and so forth ?

[NicholasMarks]

How would a heaven on planet Earth work ? Is there going to be a cessation of earthquakes and meteor strikes and so forth ?

You are going ahead of my knowledge base...but the implication is that it will. Mainly because Almighty God will be working with us and if he kick-started this planet into existence he can certainly guide us in these matters...not forgetting that after the great turmoil expected the tectonic-plates will be more settled.

The overwhelming thing we will know is that resurrection is a scientific certainty and this will be a cure for any disasters.

[BashfulAnthony]

BA,

Just out of interest, why?

If there is a "God of the omnis" then presumably "He" would be aware of your behaviour and would decide for Himself whether that was good enough to get you to the pearly gates. Do you think that praying will in some way cause him to change his mind about that and - if not - what do you think the point of it to be?

 I hope for salvation, and I don't believe it comes automatically without an individual praying for it to show he is aware of his faults and misdemeanours, and is contrite and asks for forgiveness - and means it, and trusts in the Lord's and that He may show love and forgiveness.

[bluehillside Retd.]

BA,

I hope for salvation, and I don't believe it comes automatically without an individual praying for it to show he is aware of his faults and misdemeanours, and is contrite and asks for forgiveness - and means it, and trusts in the Lord's and that He may show love and forgiveness.

But wouldn't a god who knows everything - knows you better than you know yourself in fact - know all that already? And if that is the case, what would be the point of trying to make an omniscient god change his mind about something by praying for it?

[BashfulAnthony]

BA,

But wouldn't a god who knows everything - knows you better than you know yourself in fact - know all that already? And if that is the case, what would be the point of trying to make an omniscient god change his mind about something by praying for it?

People can change their minds; people can be insincere.  The Lord is entitled to hear you say it and that you mean it.  Maybe He does know our minds, but it seems to me that you don't assume that, or anything else.  You ask, and you pray and hope you will be heard and listened to.

[bluehillside Retd.]

BA,

People can change their minds; people can be insincere.

Yes, but an omniscient god would know that without needing to be told it in a prayer.

The Lord is entitled to hear you say it and that you mean it.  Maybe He does know our minds, but it seems to me that you don't assume that, or anything else.  You ask, and you pray and hope you will be heard and listened to.

Surely you either "assume" that god is omniscient or you don't. If you don't think him to be omniscient that blows a big hole in standard Christian theology I'd have though; if you do assume him to be omniscient on the other hand then again why tell him what he knows already?   

[BashfulAnthony]

BA,

Yes, but an omniscient god would know that without needing to be told it in a prayer.

Surely you either "assume" that god is omniscient or you don't. If you don't think him to be omniscient that blows a big hole in standard Christian theology I'd have though; if you do assume him to be omniscient on the other hand then again why tell him what he knows already?

I'm a pessimist in these matters.  He probably does know our minds, but I will ask anyway; and it seems the right thing to do.

 

[bluehillside Retd.]

BA,

I'm a pessimist in these matters.  He probably does know our minds, but I will ask anyway; and it seems the right thing to do.

Fair enough - it's no-one's business but your own. I was just struck though by the illogicality of asking for something when the god who could grant it already knows you better than you know yourself.