The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[NicholasMarks]

No Nick, I'm asking that question that you are avoiding giving an answer to, it looks like you're avoiding giving an answer at all costs, why's that? You haven't got an answer?

Come on Nick answer without giving me a load of sermon like old tosh.

ippy

I'm well acquainted with circular argument ippy where honest, true and righteous answers have been given but you simply refuse to accept that you've been answered. Husbands do it to wives...we call it wife beating. The idea is to leave the victim in a confused mess. Better people than you have tried but I'm afraid if I get stuck I just refer them to Jesus Christ...and I'm not stuck yet.

[Sassy]

No arguments there Sassy...I only know what my job is in context with what you have stated...and that is to establish that this electric/spiritual universe owned and best understood by Almighty God has methods and techniques which will benefit all those who put their faith in Jesus Christ accurately. And in this day and age, as in all previous ages, resurrection into this last generation and beyond has been our greatest asset.

Nick, In Acts there is no barrier for the Spirit to speak to others through any person.
Each person may be against faith in their own way. BUT Christ is the way that fits all for coming to God.

[BashfulAnthony]

Nothing to do with win or lose Nick, I see you still refuse to answer a perfectly straight forward question, where's your verifiable evidence that would support both god and the bible together at the same time; I suspect you haven't got a scrap of combined evidence supporting your god bible belief? And that would explain your wrigle wrigle.

No sermons please Nick.

ippy.

So, ippy, you miserably failed the "verifiable evidence" challenge.  I wonder how many times you've used that expression?
  It must be hundreds.  Don't you think posters have got the point by now?

[Sassy]

So, ippy, you miserably failed the "verifiable evidence" challenge.  I wonder how many times you've used that expression?
  It must be hundreds.  Don't you think posters have got the point by now?

The Lord is able to save to the uttermost anyone who comes unto God by him.
Ippy, avoids coming to the Lord, dancing around in circles like a boxer float like a butterfly but trying to sting like the proverbial bee.

People are not void of evidence they are void of ever trying to find Christ.
If people do not find Christ or believe it is because they don't feel they need the Lord Jesus.
They cannot see the truth so as to come the light that is shining in the darkness. The light no one can put out and no religion can claim. For the light of God is Christ the light shining through all ages. Satan keeps them in the dark and they have to choose the light.
Give Ippy some slack it isn't his fault he cannot see the light but it is his choice to remain in the darkness...

[torridon]

You see torri...you open up a question with an answer that is long and detailed and which you already have a mental block against which prevents any effort to convince you otherwise. Most of the detail is in the Holy Bible...but that's too much trouble for you.

I never read any such detail regarding heaven being on Earth in the Bible, apart from in a metaphorical sense. A real earthly life necessarily involves both pleasure and pain, we have to eat food every day just to stay alive, we have to breathe toxic gas (oxygen) which kills us slowly, we are subject to gravity whether we like it or not; are you saying that these characteristics of earthly life will still plague us in heaven ?

[torridon]

Perhaps the forth-coming Judgement will encourage you to look more earnestly but it isn't knowing the Judgement is coming that counts as much as sincere repentance. The science demands it and iniquity, atheists and down-right evil can only expect to embark on a long, never ending journey. I'm trying to guide you back to the fold...but it is up to you.

Sparky the kindly shepherd trying guide the blind back to the paths of righteousness.  Or is it Sparky the scaremonger plying mild abuse onto people who question his scaremongering.

Hmm, tricky one.

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky the kindly shepherd trying guide the blind back to the paths of righteousness.  Or is it Sparky the scaremonger plying mild abuse onto people who question his scaremongering.

Hmm, tricky one.

Dear torridon...
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I would love to use the slow, gentle words of my saviour to encourage my faith, but time is against us. It is the same time that is against us that we experience throughout everybodies life span...it is old age and death, with a few accidents and poor health thrown in. So, in any event, there is no need to panic more than we do now...except that this time it will be somewhat different.  The accident will affect us all, all at the same time...but instead of some going to the ether they will go to Wormwood where there can be no escape...no promise of coming back as there is now.

On the other hand against this sad back drop is a promise...try and be nice as Jesus taught us and there is a salvation from every threat ever. But we must start asap. Because stripping away brainwashing  is a long and tedious task but proves our good intentions.

[torridon]

Dear torridon...
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I would love to use the slow, gentle words of my saviour to encourag  e my faith, but time is against us. It is the same time that is against us that we experience throughout everybodies life span...it is old age and death, with a few accidents and poor health thrown in. So, in any event, there is no need to panic more than we do now...except that this time it will be somewhat different.  The accidentw will affect us all, all at the same time...but instead of some going to the ether they will go to Wormwood where there can be no escape...no promise of coming back as there is now.

On the other hand against this sad back drop is a promise...try and be nice as Jesus taught us and there is a salvation from every threat ever. But we must start asap. Because stripping away brainwashing  is a long and tedious task but proves our good intentions.

Well Jesus himself was an end-timer, and clearly he got that wrong, and if he could be so wrong then presumably a mere mortal such as your good self can get it wrong also.  So my advice would be to avoid trying to frighten people into accepting your opinions, that is the tactic of a scoundrel; rather stick to honest reasoning and good evidence.  After all if you are right in that there is a God and we are spirit beings with a potential for another life after this one then God will do what is best for everyone irrespective of whatever flawed opinions passed through their minds on this earthly life.

[NicholasMarks]

Well Jesus himself was an end-timer, and clearly he got that wrong, and if he could be so wrong then presumably a mere mortal such as your good self can get it wrong also.  So my advice would be to avoid trying to frighten people into accepting your opinions, that is the tactic of a scoundrel; rather stick to honest reasoning and good evidence.  After all if you are right in that there is a God and we are spirit beings with a potential for another life after this one then God will do what is best for everyone irrespective of whatever flawed opinions passed through their minds on this earthly life.

You seem to know more about God than God himself. The evidence of the approach of Wormwood is getting stronger every day. God said he will never deliberately inflict global disaster on us again so it is down to a natural event that God knew would descend upon us in the future and all the signs say it is well on the way.

Now firemen go round infant schools and say things like...don't play with matches...I'm doing much the same thing

[Sebastian Toe]

The evidence of the approach of Wormwood is getting stronger every day.

In order for that to be true you will of course show some indisputable evidence for say the past 7 days.
Where, comparing each day against the next, you will describe the relative states of the 'evidence' being stronger in each of the latter days as compared with the previous ones? 

Either that or you will add some extra grease to your Teflon suit and perform yet another vague hand-waving response.

[Sebastian Toe]

I am listing global warming, severe climate change, the secret preparations of powerful governments, the earthquakes, the mass death of various creatures, the numerous sightings which indicate something enormous is in our midst,

So show some evidence, that is some which you agree with and not some vague 'just look at youtube' Teflon answer again. 
There must be some because you wouldn't just take someone's word for it - unless you are merely looking for confirmation without the slightest hint of reality. Are you Nick?

Be specific.

[NicholasMarks]

So show some evidence, that is some which you agree with and not some vague 'just look at youtube' Teflon answer again. 
There must be some because you wouldn't just take someone's word for it - unless you are merely looking for confirmation without the slightest hint of reality. Are you Nick?

Be specific.

You are in denial Seb...planets have been discovered because of the impact caused on other planets and we are in the midst of some serious global chaos. This suggests some serious presence of some serious forces, which, until confirmed, can only be deduced...except that many people, all around the world are getting glimpses of this imposing, serious presence.

The handlers of propaganda, whilst preparing their own bunkers, want us to be blissful ly mindless of this forthcoming event but the Holy Bible speaks above brain-washing...and offers us a salvation plan...but only those who have a good heart, a good mind, and a good righteous understanding are invited...because the new heavens and the new Earth doesn't want to go back to brain-washing, propaganda and a mass invalid population. Even helping us to understand that resurrection is possible for those that follow Jesus when their bodies are too worn out for repair. As you know genetic damage can pass over the generations...so it is wise to start that repair today.

You don't want it Seb...well that is your decision.

 

[Sebastian Toe]

You are in denial Seb..

I cannot be in denial if you are unable to show some evidence, that's actual evidence and not vague 'oh look over there' evidence.

.except that many people, all around the world are getting glimpses of this imposing, serious presence.

Then show something which for you confirms your statement.

I will suggest that you cannot as.
Who are these people? You don't have to name them all, just a few.
Oh and show what they are getting a glimpse of? Have you seen their evidence? Has it convinced you?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Seb,

So show some evidence, that is some which you agree with and not some vague 'just look at youtube' Teflon answer again. 
There must be some because you wouldn't just take someone's word for it - unless you are merely looking for confirmation without the slightest hint of reality. Are you Nick?

Quite so. Sparky confuses incidence with trend - he looks at stories in the newspaper and decides that things are getting worse, when there's not reason to think any such thing. To the contrary, despite the appalling situation in Syria and elsewhere if you look at the bigger picture almost all the quality of life indicators for the global population as a whole have improved - life expectancy, literacy, disease elimination etc. If you're locked in though to the end of times daftness you won't see all that because the reporting of it is much less than the more immediate stories that attract press coverage.

I've pointed him towards the evidence about this but he just ignores it, presumably because he has a bad case of confirmation bias.

I'm also with Torri by the way about treating him as bonkers but essentially harmless - a bit like a horoscope column. I read relish in some of the threats he makes about the supposed fate of those who don't buy his vapid assertions, his comments about cancer in the past have been despicable, and these alleged "calculations" that clearly don't exist strike me as dishonesty too.   

   

[ippy]

I'm well acquainted with circular argument ippy where honest, true and righteous answers have been given but you simply refuse to accept that you've been answered. Husbands do it to wives...we call it wife beating. The idea is to leave the victim in a confused mess. Better people than you have tried but I'm afraid if I get stuck I just refer them to Jesus Christ...and I'm not stuck yet.

So you refuse to answer a quite simple question Nick, it has to be either you can't answer or harmless potty and as for circular, an honest answer from your good self about the question asked, minus the usual rather silly religious sounding waffle, would suffice.

The answers you've given so far only exposes your regrettable position as a more and more rather obviously dishonest person with a penchant for ducking diving and not answering anything you're uncomfortable with.

ippy

[ippy]

So, ippy, you miserably failed the "verifiable evidence" challenge.  I wonder how many times you've used that expression?
  It must be hundreds.  Don't you think posters have got the point by now?

So you've got some verifiable evidence about all of this magical, mystical superstitious nonsense then B A?

ippy

[BashfulAnthony]

So you refuse to answer a quite simple question Nick, it has to be either you can't answer or harmless potty and as for circular, an honest answer from your good self about the question asked, minus the usual rather silly religious sounding waffle, would suffice.

The answers you've given so far only exposes your regrettable position as a more and more rather obviously dishonest person with a penchant for ducking diving and not answering anything you're uncomfortable with.

ippy

Good morning, ippy.  You forgot something in your post:  what about "verifiable evidence?"

[Gonnagle]

Dear Blue,

Bigger picture!! Our Nicholas mentions Global Warming and climate change, do you have a bigger picture.

Gonnagle.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Seb,

Quite so. Sparky confuses incidence with trend - he looks at stories in the newspaper and decides that things are getting worse, when there's not reason to think any such thing. To the contrary, despite the appalling situation in Syria and elsewhere if you look at the bigger picture almost all the quality of life indicators for the global population as a whole have improved

 

No doubt the quality of life indicators were formulated by some middle aged, middle class white men.
What about the number of species becoming extinct?, what about the gap between the rich and poor in developed countries?, the refugee crisis?, what about global warming?

[Sebastian Toe]

What about the number of species becoming extinct?, what about the gap between the rich and poor in developed countries?, the refugee crisis?, what about global warming?

Don't you agree with Sparky that all of those are being caused by the approach of some star system which has one of its planets called Wormwood?

[BashfulAnthony]

So you've got some verifiable evidence about all of this magical, mystical superstitious nonsense then B A?

ippy

You are clearly banging your head against the proverbial, ippy.  Why not call it a day, and spend your time in more fruitful ways?  A hobby, perhaps?  Spotting drain covers?  Jeremy vouches for it!

[bluehillside Retd.]

Hi Gonners,

Dear Blue,

Bigger picture!! Our Nicholas mentions Global Warming and climate change, do you have a bigger picture.

Indeed he does, along with many and various other phenomena he happens to have read about in the press. No-one says that every indicator of wellbeing is going in the right direction, just that many of them - including many that he wrongly thinks are worsening - are. You can't just say, for example, "what about X war then?" without looking at A, B & C peace treaties to off-set against that.

And even when you can find some things that have got worse, and even when you just ignore the things that have got better, then you'd still have all your work ahead of you of course to make a rational argument for that being a portent of a biblical prophesy or some such rather than just an example of natural change over time.     

[NicholasMarks]

ippy/bluehillside/Seb...

It's all part of tunnel vision when we only see ourselves in the equation. Tunnel vision stems from the simple principle of me, me , me...and that is a classic symptom of congealed brain juices. By opening our minds and being receptive to others goes a long way towards repairing ourselves from the types of injuries I mention and those that Jesus mentions as well.

Now...though you may prefer to ignore all the chaos and distress that is blowing over the planet today you wont be able
deny the approach of Wormwood quite so easily. It is well reported by keen observers and it is well recorded in the Holy Bible. Things which you have so easily ridiculed in the past now have a mighty force behind them...which, much to Seb's, ippy's and bluehillsides denial is a very real threat...and can't be denied much longer.

You will then find out who your real friends are because tunnel vision will transcend into a much more caring attitude when it requires kindness, caring and help...but the only real help we will need is a righteous spirit carved from the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...and without sincere repentance...ippy,Seb or bluehillside will be totally lacking in that area.

   

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

No doubt the quality of life indicators were formulated by some middle aged, middle class white men.

Relevance? I you think other demographic groups can come up with better quality of life indicators than life expectancy, literacy, reducing family sizes and teenage pregnancies, disease elimination, the ending of wars etc then by all means identify some.

What about the number of species becoming extinct?, what about the gap between the rich and poor in developed countries?, the refugee crisis?, what about global warming?

What about them? Bad things all, but these are just some indicators and not all of them. Back in the 14th century you could equally have said, what about the black death? The great European Famine? The beginning of the little ice age? So what?

Change happens. You can't though just look at any bad news and claim it to be a universal trend trend of increasing badness, and nor of course can you just claim it to be a portent of a biblical (or any other book's) supposed prophecy.   

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

It's all part of tunnel vision when we only see ourselves in the equation. Tunnel vision stems from the simple principle of me, me , me...and that is a classic symptom of congealed brain juices. By opening our minds and being receptive to others goes a long way towards repairing ourselves from the types of injuries I mention and those that Jesus mentions as well.

Your problem old son is that you appear to have opened your mind so much that your brain has fallen out.