The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

Insults, it seems, are part and parcel of telling people what they don't want to hear. Perhaps, when you have seen this approaching star system yourself you might reconsider your position. This might just be possible because Almighty God said that he will hold back his Judgement to the last possible moment so that all who can be saved are saved...but perhaps this is another unprovable point of Biblical teaching.

The downside to this is that we must be receptive to Jesus Christ's accurate teaching and unless you become a little nicer bluehillside, you will never know what this is.

Except of course - as ever - the facts are against you. If there was an "approaching star system" then we'd have seen it by now. If it existed but was too far away to be seen, then it would have to be travelling much greater than the speed of light to get here in time for anyone to see it. And nothing travels faster than the speed of light.

Do you see now what happens when you just make up utter nonsense and claim it to be a fact?
 

[Sebastian Toe]

you wont be able
deny the approach of Wormwood quite so easily. It is well reported by keen observers ......

It's really quite simple Nick. All you have to do is show us a few examples of those reports by those keen observers. Only ones which you agree with remember.
Should be simple enough eh?
I've asked you for this on several occasions  now and I wonder why you are so reluctant to provide this evidence. 
After all, if it truly is convincing evidence then you might have a convert or three in the bag!
What harm could it do?
Unless of course you have no such examples?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad,

Relevance? I you think other demographic groups can come up with better quality of life indicators than life expectancy, literacy, reducing family sizes and teenage pregnancies, disease elimination, the ending of wars etc then by all means identify some.

What about them? Bad things all, but these are just some indicators and not all of them. Back in the 14th century you could equally have said, what about the black death? The great European Famine? The beginning of the little ice age? So what?

Change happens. You can't though just look at any bad news and claim it to be a universal trend trend of increasing badness, and nor of course can you just claim it to be a portent of a biblical (or any other book's) supposed prophecy.

The twee little Pinkerism on which you seem to be arguing ''Everyday we are getting better and better is just a stab at prophesy Hillside.

And it's worse than that.....climate is changing which leads to famine and flooding and the displacement of millions. There is I think a figure of how many degrees rise in temperature for sea bed methane to be released.

Your latter day version of the dawning of the age of Aquarius looks more and more like being where the crazy money is..

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

The twee little Pinkerism on which you seem to be arguing ''Everyday we are getting better and better is just a stab at prophesy Hillside.

That's one way to dismiss the facts and evidence that are against you I suppose.

And it's worse than that....

There is no "that" - just your denial of reality.

...climate is changing which leads to famine and flooding and the displacement of millions. There is I think a figure of how many degrees rise in temperature for sea bed methane to be released.

There's no doubt that it could lead to terrible events if it was to go that far. Whence your confidence in your prophesy that it will?

Your latter day version of the dawning of the age of Aquarius looks more and more like being where the crazy money is..

And of course the straw man to finish off. Thanks for the vladdery, but no-one says any such thing. What I actually said though was that you cannot just read a bad news story in the newspaper and assert it to be a trend, let alone a portent. Do try to keep up will you.   

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad,

That's one way to dismiss the facts and evidence that are against you I suppose.

There is no "that" - just your denial of reality.

There's no doubt that it could lead to terrible events if it was to go that far. Whence your confidence in your prophesy that it will?

And of course the straw man to finish off. Thanks for the vladdery, but no-one says any such thing. What I actually said though was that you cannot just read a bad news story in the newspaper and assert it to be a trend, let alone a portent. Do try to keep up will you.

I think both Gonners and I are interested in your stance on global warming.....perhaps you'd like to outline it?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

I think both Gonners and I are interested in your stance on global warming.....perhaps you'd like to outline it?

As it has absolutely nothing to do with the issue under discussion, why would you be interested and why would i want to outline it?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad,

As it has absolutely nothing to do with the issue under discussion, why would you be interested and why would i want to outline it?

Of course it does since in view of the problems of global warming this sentiment of yours seems pretty hollow....I quote....... ''if you look at the bigger picture almost all the quality of life indicators for the global population as a whole have improved - life expectancy, literacy, disease elimination etc.''

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

Of course it does since in view of the problems of global warming this sentiment of yours seems pretty hollow....I quote....... ''if you look at the bigger picture almost all the quality of life indicators for the global population as a whole have improved - life expectancy, literacy, disease elimination etc.''

Of course it doesn't. The point being made was that you can't just look at stories in the press and assert that the incidence every bad one is on the increase (which is what Sparky does). For the most part the incidence is either the same as it ever was - earthquakes for example - or in many case the indicators have improved (the ones I listed). That's not for one moment to say that some things aren't getting worse, climate change being the obvious example. Whether it turns out to be anything like as bad as you think is just your guess of course, but that's another matter.   

[ippy]

ippy/bluehillside/Seb...

It's all part of tunnel vision when we only see ourselves in the equation. Tunnel vision stems from the simple principle of me, me , me...and that is a classic symptom of congealed brain juices. By opening our minds and being receptive to others goes a long way towards repairing ourselves from the types of injuries I mention and those that Jesus mentions as well.

Now...though you may prefer to ignore all the chaos and distress that is blowing over the planet today you wont be able
deny the approach of Wormwood quite so easily. It is well reported by keen observers and it is well recorded in the Holy Bible. Things which you have so easily ridiculed in the past now have a mighty force behind them...which, much to Seb's, ippy's and bluehillsides denial is a very real threat...and can't be denied much longer.

You will then find out who your real friends are because tunnel vision will transcend into a much more caring attitude when it requires kindness, caring and help...but the only real help we will need is a righteous spirit carved from the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...and without sincere repentance...ippy,Seb or bluehillside will be totally lacking in that area.

I note this part of your post Nick,

"but the only real help we will need is a righteous spirit carved from the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...". 

Now Nick this is the only thing I'm asking you, this bible supposedly inspired by this god figure of yours and as such they are inextricably combined together, where do you get or have any kind of evidence that would support this, in effect, a single god/bible, belief/idea of yours; please afford us the courtesy of letting us know when, where and how you've acquired this supposed knowledge and tell us about this solid evidence that would, in turn your, at present, assertions into facts.

Just an answer to this question will do we've heard about every one of your sermons, so we don't need any more, just an answer to the question asked, there's no honour in hiding away from things you don't like, by answering something that bears no relation to the question asked in this post; I don't see you as a dishonourable person Nick, so evidence that can be displayed and proves your point and preserves your honour, so now let's have it?

ippy 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad,

Of course it doesn't. The point being made was that you can't just look at stories in the press and assert that the incidence every bad one is on the increase (which is what Sparky does). For the most part the incidence is either the same as it ever was - earthquakes for example - or in many case the indicators have improved (the ones I listed). That's not for one moment to say that some things aren't getting worse, climate change being the obvious example. Whether it turns out to be anything like as bad as you think is just your guess of course, but that's another matter.   

Oh I almost forget antibiotic resistance.
The point is you quote some pretty big indicators but they are dwarfed by dire larger ones.
The point is that poverty, loss of land, global warming, environmental risk taking is becoming more acceptable. We are now in regression on several counts....particularly as a nation....worse than that while we were making your so called Pinkerian progression the planet and it's resources were receiving a great caning.

[NicholasMarks]

I note this part of your post Nick,

"but the only real help we will need is a righteous spirit carved from the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...". 

Now Nick this is the only thing I'm asking you, this bible supposedly inspired by this god figure of yours and as such they are inextricably combined together, where do you get or have any kind of evidence that would support this, in effect, a single god/bible, belief/idea of yours; please afford us the curtsy of letting us know when, where and how you've acquired this supposed knowledge and tell us about this solid evidence that would, in turn your, at present, assertions into facts.

Just an answer to this question will do we've heard about every one of your sermons, so we don't need any more, just an answer to the question asked, there's no honour in hiding away from things you don't like, by answering something that bears no relation to the question asked in this post; I don't see you as a dishonourable person Nick, so evidence that can be displayed and proves your point and preserves your honour, so now let's have it?

ippy

What is blatantly obvious to me  ippy but not so to you is that Almighty God has written a book which today carries a knowledge far superior to your modern sciences. It says that Almighty God is the figurehead of all scientific knowledge. Not just because he tells us about the root forces of all existence...not just because he sent Jesus Christ to illustrate those forces to us...not even because, by careful examination the forces that your sciences are, at great expense, trying to unify, are already given that unification under the authority of one powerful ruler...Almighty God.

If  all this is possible then it might be wise to consider what he has to say about the end days.

What he is saying is that difficult times, hard to deal with will descend upon us...that great tribulations will occur and like a woman in labour will get more and more severe and that all this will cause a division between those who will be saved and those that wont be...some will go to everlasting life...the fruits of any very advanced biological science and some will go to eternal damnation...the fruits of ignoring your spiritual nature and allowing it to be so insignificant that it will be sucked along with the severe forces that Wormwood will deliver onto this planet.

If I want to be a part of the former then I am duty bound to notify those who might just be in with a chance of benefiting from  what the Holy Bible says so that they, too, can take advantage of that promise.

But the only salvation plan on offer...no matter who you are...is the taking in of the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.


 

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

Oh I almost forget antibiotic resistance.
The point is you quote some pretty big indicators but they are dwarfed by dire larger ones.
The point is that poverty, loss of land, global warming, environmental risk taking is becoming more acceptable. We are now in regression on several counts....particularly as a nation....worse than that while we were making your so called Pinkerian progression the planet and it's resources were receiving a great caning.

I know that you hate it when facts and evidence to disturb your prejudices, but try this for starters:

http://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21706231-human-life-has-improved-many-ways-both-recently-according-swedish-economic

Incidentally, these achievements and more are facts. Your conjectures about the potential impact of the issues you describe on the other hand are speculations.

And yet bizarrely you were accusing me of prophecy.   

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad,

I know that you hate it when facts and evidence to disturb your prejudices, but try this for starters:

http://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21706231-human-life-has-improved-many-ways-both-recently-according-swedish-economic

Incidentally, these achievements and more are facts. Your conjectures about the potential impact of the issues you describe on the other hand are speculations.

And yet bizarrely you were accusing me of prophecy.

Is global warming not a fact, are proxy wars not a fact, are nuclear weapons run by people not afraid to use them not a fact?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

Is global warming not a fact,...

Yes - but how far it will go and the effect it will have are speculations, not facts.

...are proxy wars not a fact,...

Yes, but so are the endings of wars, the relatively few numbers affected by them compared with the global wars of the twentieth century, the peace dividends from treaties etc. 

...are nuclear weapons run by people not afraid to use them not a fact?

No - you have no idea whether or not people are afraid to use them, and there's a good case for fewer wars in recent decades because of the mutually assured destruction of the nuclear balance.

You're falling into the same trap in other words as Sparky - if it's in the paper, things must be getting worse. The papers though rarely report good news, and they never report, say, the 'planes that don't crash.

Incidentally your mistake here even has a name - it's called the availability heuristic.   

[NicholasMarks]

Vlad,

Yes - but how far it will go and the effect it will have are speculations, not facts.

Yes, but so are the endings of wars, the relatively few numbers affected by them compared with the global wars of the twentieth century, the peace dividends from treaties etc. 

No - you have no idea whether or not people are afraid to use them, and there's a good case for fewer wars in recent decades because of the mutually assured destruction of the nuclear balance.

You're falling into the same trap in other words as Sparky - if it's in the paper, things must be getting worse. The papers though rarely report good news, and they never report, say, the 'planes that don't crash.

Incidentally your mistake here even has a name - it's called the availability heuristic.   

Thank you for clearing all that up bluehillside...I did notice that you missed a few scientific facts though...facts like the doomsday clock which is getting very close to midnight. Facts like the arguments between Russia, China, USA, Syria, not to mention all the recent wars that have taken place. Though you have forgotten them there ar e many who still hold their grievances and are mad at the total mismanagement of the world...I suppose the Islamic hatred that is building up around the world could be included here.

You see...there is a huge difference between a world where there are no wars and one that erupts into war every 5 mins.

Almighty God has said that all the war-mongers and sabre rattlers will be part of the cleansing of this planet and those who can't see goodness as goodness or have a shade of dirty grey over their spectacles will join them.

But...hang on...what about those who are promised everlasting life in a world free from death and distress...well...they will suffer the same pangs of distress but will be able to quote the Christ given amendment, just as long as they are members of Jesus' kingdom and harbour no animosity against being resurrected.

[ippy]

What is blatantly obvious to me  ippy but not so to you is that Almighty God has written a book which today carries a knowledge far superior to your modern sciences. It says that Almighty God is the figurehead of all scientific knowledge. Not just because he tells us about the root forces of all existence...not just because he sent Jesus Christ to illustrate those forces to us...not even because, by careful examination the forces that your sciences are, at great expense, trying to unify, are already given that unification under the authority of one powerful ruler...Almighty God.

If  all this is possible then it might be wise to consider what he has to say about the end days.

What he is saying is that difficult times, hard to deal with will descend upon us...that great tribulations will occur and like a woman in labour will get more and more severe and that all this will cause a division between those who will be saved and those that wont be...some will go to everlasting life...the fruits of any very advanced biological science and some will go to eternal damnation...the fruits of ignoring your spiritual nature and allowing it to be so insignificant that it will be sucked along with the severe forces that Wormwood will deliver onto this planet.

If I want to be a part of the former then I am duty bound to notify those who might just be in with a chance of benefiting from  what the Holy Bible says so that they, too, can take advantage of that promise.

But the only salvation plan on offer...no matter who you are...is the taking in of the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

Sorry Nick you'got the posts mixed up again the last post of mine on this thread was number 584 and as you will see if you check, you'll see your post hasn't got anything to do with post 584 of mine, there's nothing there that relates to any part of my post.

Any chance of checking that post of mine Nick and perhaps post a relevent reply?

Where's the evidence and if there is any Nick where is it? And evidence that you would would be able substanciate, which I very much doubt you will be able to supply?

What are you afraid of Nick? Can't bear to think you might of got it wrong?

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

Sorry Nick you'got the posts mixed up again the last post of mine on this thread was number 584 and as you will see if you check, you'll see your post hasn't got anything to do with post 584 of mine, there's nothing there that relates to any part of my post.

Any chance of checking that post of mine Nick and perhaps post a relevent reply?

Where's the evidence and if there is any Nick where is it? And evidence that you would would be able substanciate, which I very much doubt you will be able to supply?

What are you afraid of Nick? Can't bear to think you might of got it wrong?

ippy

It is important ippy for people who are looking for the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, on here, believing that the forum is a haven for discussing Jesus know about such as you who are only interested in circular argument and have no intention of taking anything said as meaningful or serious.

That's ok ippy...we are warned of such as you who just want to ridicule and go round and round in your own little whirlpool of argument. It isn't healthy and it isn't wise for your own personal attitude which is the key difference between those who will be saved and those that wont. There are Biblical statements that are more appropriate to use here but out of courtesy to you I am reluctant to use them.

I will remind you that the whole of science resolves itself in the Holy Bible if looked at accurately but that goes straight over your head so I'm not convinced that anything I say will help you.

You had better consult Jesus directly if you want saving but I suspect you don't. Fortunately, millions, over the many years since the resurrection, do want to be a part of that new world...especially because it will be free of those who cannot comply with righteousness.

We will just have to wait and see what Wormwood has to say on the matter as far as you are concerned ippy.

[NicholasMarks]

Moving on...

We have established that the teaching in the Holy Bible and in particular the Gospels all revolve around an invisible force that is so superabundant that all the galaxies, stars, atoms and science are made from it. It shouldn't surprise us then that it is also present in our human existence...in fact, in all living existence and especially within the living cell...itself a never ending generator of perpetual motion. Generators have a peculiar knack of generating electric energy and if each healthy, replicating, living-cell is generating a little from the surrounding area we can get a clearer picture of where our health, our energy and our evolution all comes from. It is from our ability to harness this vital life sustaining material into our daily lives.

It is like our own personal  medicine cabinet that can be accessed any time, can work alongside any other medication and can provide hope, purpose and meaning to our drained and exhausted existences.

Unfortunately, the holder of all this knowledge has strict terms and conditions which prevent access by the wild and unscrupulous. Though there is over 90% more of it available to science they cannot even find it never mind harness it...it requires special righteous laws. It is free to all users and will steer us past all misery.

The accurate teaching of Jesus Christ tells us about it better than I can...but you are welcome to become one of Jesus' guinea pigs...before it is too late.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad,


No - you have no idea whether or not people are afraid to use them, and there's a good case for fewer wars in recent decades because of the mutually assured destruction of the nuclear balance.

You're falling into the same trap in other words as Sparky - if it's in the paper, things must be getting worse. The papers though rarely report good news, and they never report, say, the 'planes that don't crash.

Incidentally your mistake here even has a name - it's called the availability heuristic.   

Hillside, I think you have committed the Bourne identity here by generating yet another title for a Robert Ludlum blockbuster......

Aside from that my critique of Pinker is not derived from the press which tends to a look at the progress  we have made under conservative governments and how it can all be turned upside down by reactionary forces to it. I think the press are pretty pro car, pollution denying, pro nuclear deterrent, pro social darwinianism and have little in common with my beef with Pinkerian optimism in enlightenment's forward march.

Pinkerism of course depends on nuclear deterrent. It depends on the elimination of a Hitler style appropriation of territory prior to a take over......of course nuclear weapons never stopped the take over of the Crimea did they?...and that is why we should be wary of continuing theories of deterrence.

Pinkerian optimism proposes man's forward march in the face of roll back by barbaric behaviour, the effects of natural exploitation, a vision of health defined on ability to pay and uncertainty about deterrence.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

Thank you for clearing all that up bluehillside...I did notice that you missed a few scientific facts though...facts like the doomsday clock which is getting very close to midnight. Facts like the arguments between Russia, China, USA, Syria, not to mention all the recent wars that have taken place. Though you have forgotten them there ar e many who still hold their grievances and are mad at the total mismanagement of the world...I suppose the Islamic hatred that is building up around the world could be included here.

I was just responding to various errors made by Vlad rather than conducing a tour d'horizon of world affairs. But no, I haven't forgotten these things at all, just as I wouldn't have forgotten the black death, the hundred years war and the great European famine had we been having this conversation 600 years ago. And that's your problem - there have always been bad things happening that the contemporary doom mongers have pointed to as supposed portents of their apocalyptic personal beliefs. Remarkably though, over the last couple of hundred years or so there have been many good things happening too. Consider for example the millions who lived who would otherwise have died but for modern medicines.       

You see...there is a huge difference between a world where there are no wars and one that erupts into war every 5 mins.

We don't live in either, and again you're ignoring the silent evidence of the wars that have ended or didn't start at all because dispute resolution mechanisms were in place.

Almighty God has said that all the war-mongers and sabre rattlers will be part of the cleansing of this planet and those who can't see goodness as goodness or have a shade of dirty grey over their spectacles will join them.

As "almighty god" is just an undemonstrated article of your personal faith, so must be the quotes you attribute to him.

But...hang on...what about those who are promised everlasting life in a world free from death and distress...well...they will suffer the same pangs of distress but will be able to quote the Christ given amendment, just as long as they are members of Jesus' kingdom and harbour no animosity against being resurrected.

See above.

By the way, what happened to your earlier claim of an approaching solar system we'd be able to observe once I explained why you were wrong about that?

Do we just pretend that you didn't say it? That you didn't mean it? What?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

We have established that the teaching in the Holy Bible and in particular the Gospels all revolve around an invisible force that is so superabundant that all the galaxies, stars, atoms and science are made from it.

Could you just remind us where you demonstrated that please? I'm aware that you've asserted it (many times in fact), that the very few arguments you have attempted have been very bad ones, that you have consistently misrepresented what science actually says, and that you've claimed scientific truth for your beliefs when there's not one shred of the scientific method to support them, but I must have missed the bit when you finally demonstrated something.

Ta.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

Aside from that my critique of Pinker...

You didn't "critique" Pinker - you just referenced him and then dismissed him out of hand with no argument to support you.

... is not derived from the press which tends to a look at the progress  we have made under conservative governments and how it can all be turned upside down by reactionary forces to it. I think the press are pretty pro car, pollution denying, pro nuclear deterrent, pro social darwinianism and have little in common with my beef with Pinkerian optimism in enlightenment's forward march.

What on earth are you even trying to say here? As a statement of fact, most modern people in most places are hugely better off by reference to all the main indicators of wellbeing than their parents were, who in turn were better off than their parents were, who in turn etc. That's what the facts and statistics tell us, and that's all that's being said here. Rather than dismiss it out of hand, why not at least try to grasp the point at issue?     

Pinkerism of course depends on nuclear deterrent.

There's no such thing as "Pinkerism" and even if there was, of course it doesn't. Pinker merely documents the facts and comments on them.

It depends on the elimination of a Hitler style appropriation of territory prior to a take over......of course nuclear weapons never stopped the take over of the Crimea did they?...and that is why we should be wary of continuing theories of deterrence.

Alphabet soup? A bad hand at Scrabble? Clearly this jumble of words means something to you, but thee's no guessing what.

Pinkerian optimism proposes man's forward march in the face of roll back by barbaric behaviour, the effects of natural exploitation, a vision of health defined on ability to pay and uncertainty about deterrence.

Nurse! NURSE! He's got through the hole in the fence again and is messing around with the sheep in the top paddock! NURSE!

[ippy]

It is important ippy for people who are looking for the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, on here, believing that the forum is a haven for discussing Jesus know about such as you who are only interested in circular argument and have no intention of taking anything said as meaningful or serious.

That's ok ippy...we are warned of such as you who just want to ridicule and go round and round in your own little whirlpool of argument. It isn't healthy and it isn't wise for your own personal attitude which is the key difference between those who will be saved and those that wont. There are Biblical statements that are more appropriate to use here but out of courtesy to you I am reluctant to use them.

I will remind you that the whole of science resolves itself in the Holy Bible if looked at accurately but that goes straight over your head so I'm not convinced that anything I say will help you.

You had better consult Jesus directly if you want saving but I suspect you don't. Fortunately, millions, over the many years since the resurrection, do want to be a part of that new world...especially because it will be free of those who cannot comply with righteousness.

We will just have to wait and see what Wormwood has to say on the matter as far as you are concerned ippy.

What is it that you are finding so difficult to answer about supplying evidence that would substanciate your joint belief both god and the bible together, as a whole; you're making it look as though all you can supply are assertions which as you must be aware, assertions are not concidered to be evidence and never have  been.

I apreciate your going into the inns and outs of the things you  believe to be true, but these ideas of yours are not exactly the things I'm asking you about directly, no matter how interesting they are to you, all I ask of you is to answer the question I have  asked you in the previous paragraph, then when you answer that question circle broken, this circle of your own making, because of your apparent unwillingness you appear to have of answering this type of question.

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

What is it that you are finding so difficult to answer about supplying evidence that would substanciate your joint belief both god and the bible together, as a whole, you're making it look as though all you can supply are assertions which as you mut be aware, assertions are not concidered to be evidence and never have  been.

I apreciate your going into the inns and outs of th things you  believe to be true, but these ideas of yours are not exactly the things I'm asking you about directly, no matter how interesting they are to you, all I ask of you is to answer the question I have  asked you in the previous paragraph, then when you answer that question circle broken, this circle of your own making, because of your apparent unwillingness you appear to have of answering this type of question.

ippy

I will assume ippy that you have dropped in for a crash course on the powerful teaching of Jesus Christ. Everyone is different but there are common denominators. You seem to be jammed in a never ending circle of disbelief. That is ok...you can unburden yourself simply by righteous prayer.

Here is the absolute truth of Jesus Christ's teaching...millions have found it so you can too.

By adopting an attitude of well meaning, right thinking, humbleness and meek respect for Almighty God you will absorb some of that potential energy that can and will soothe and calm your inner genetic health.

It is pointless to jump too far ahead of ourselves because, well, it is a long and difficult process and I'm not really convinced you are going to make it.

[ippy]

I will assume ippy that you have dropped in for a crash course on the powerful teaching of Jesus Christ. Everyone is different but there are common denominators. You seem to be jammed in a never ending circle of disbelief. That is ok...you can unburden yourself simply by righteous prayer.

Here is the absolute truth of Jesus Christ's teaching...millions have found it so you can too.

By adopting an attitude of well meaning, right thinking, humbleness and meek respect for Almighty God you will absorb some of that potential energy that can and will soothe and calm your inner genetic health.

It is pointless to jump too far ahead of ourselves because, well, it is a long and difficult process and I'm not really convinced you are going to make it.

Obviously Nick, you are demonstrating  your refusal to answer a very simple question, what are you afraid of, or is it you realise ther is no evidence that supports your god and the bible idea, you believe these things are valid ideas but you can't prove it.

Stick to the subject Nick, where's your proof/evidence, you haven't got any?

ippy