The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[Gonnagle]

Dear Blue,


http://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21706231-human-life-has-improved-many-ways-both-recently-according-swedish-economic

A very good article, thank you but, ( always a but )

Global warming is a worry, too, but Mr Norberg hopes that human ingenuity will tame it. He writes with enthusiasm about all kinds of green innovation. For example, thanks to more efficient farming technology, the world may have reached “peak farmland”. By the end of the century, an area twice the size of France will have been returned to nature, by one estimate.

Human ingenuity!! Sorry but it forgets to mention something much more basic, greed, human greed, something our Nicholas could tell you about.

It matters not a jot if we are more healthy and prosperous if your little island is under six feet of sea water,

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/global-warming-thousands-flee-pacific-islands-on-front-line-of-climate-change-a6757796.html

Mans greed out trumps mans ingenuity, if man can make a fast buck out of chopping down the rain forest he will do it, if man can make more money out of growing crops for biofuel rather than feeding us he will do it.

Your article never mentions human greed, something which our Nicholas is all over, he does appreciate that very basic fact, when we realise that this little planet is all we have, when we can learn to stop polluting our oceans,

http://wwf.panda.org/about_our_earth/blue_planet/problems/pollution/

When we can stop messing about with nature and learn to live in harmony with it, when we learn that we don't own it but must cherish it for future generations then Blue old friend I might just agree that the future is bright and rosy.

Gonnagle.

[NicholasMarks]

Obviously Nick, you are demonstrating  your refusal to answer a very simple question, what are you afraid of, or is it you realise ther is no evidence that supports your god and the bible idea, you believe these things are valid ideas but you can't prove it.

Stick to the subject Nick, where's your proof/evidence, you haven't got any?

ippy

I would have said I have answered it many times over ippy...but your insistence otherwise tells us more about you than Jesus Christ. Either you are the pen-name of Dick Dawkin or else you have sufficient faith in his misguiding dogma that you are committing the cardinal sin you accuse me of...which is...in believing in someone who carries the same message you do....difference is...I have a much higher science on my side.

At least, by our tit for tat discussion people may just realise just how difficult it was for Jesus to present his teaching to the Jews and more importantly, to  the world.

That was a very good and well presented post Gonnagle...thank you.

[ippy]

Just sending a reminder of that previous post of mine Nick: Post 599:

I would have said I have answered it many times over ippy...but your insistence otherwise tells us more about you than Jesus Christ. Either you are the pen-name of Dick Dawkin or else you have sufficient faith in his misguiding dogma that you are committing the cardinal sin you accuse me of...which is...in believing in someone who carries the same message you do....difference is...I have a much higher science on my side.

At least, by our tit for tat discussion people may just realise just how difficult it was for Jesus to present his teaching to the Jews and more importantly, to  the world.

Obviously Nick, you are demonstrating  your refusal to answer a very simple question, what are you afraid of, or is it you realise ther is no evidence that supports your god and the bible idea, you believe these things are valid ideas but you can't prove it.

Stick to the subject Nick, where's your proof/evidence, you haven't got any?

I'm beginning to wonder if English is your first language Nick, anyway, have a re-read of that last post I sent to you, only this time, at least, try to answer the question asked, rather than reams of your meaningless wanderings.

Stick to the subject Nick Where's your supportable evidence?

[NicholasMarks]

Just sending a reminder of that previous post of mine Nick: Post 599:

I would have said I have answered it many times over ippy...but your insistence otherwise tells us more about you than Jesus Christ. Either you are the pen-name of Dick Dawkin or else you have sufficient faith in his misguiding dogma that you are committing the cardinal sin you accuse me of...which is...in believing in someone who carries the same message you do....difference is...I have a much higher science on my side.

At least, by our tit for tat discussion people may just realise just how difficult it was for Jesus to present his teaching to the Jews and more importantly, to  the world.

Obviously Nick, you are demonstrating  your refusal to answer a very simple question, what are you afraid of, or is it you realise ther is no evidence that supports your god and the bible idea, you believe these things are valid ideas but you can't prove it.

Stick to the subject Nick, where's your proof/evidence, you haven't got any?

I'm beginning to wonder if English is your first language Nick, anyway, have a re-read of that last post I sent to you, only this time, at least, try to answer the question asked, rather than reams of your meaningless wanderings.

Stick to the subject Nick Where's your supportable evidence?

The Grand Unification of All the Universal Forces...as taught in the Holy Bible and which is indisputable by modern science ippy. It runs throughout this topic with some exciting points established by millions over the generations .

You can't understand it but that isn't my fault...rather it is your own failure to look into your Holy Bible seriously.

Your only skill appears to be chasing honest people round and round in circles with pointless stabs at those who love the teaching of Jesus Christ...I recommend you shake off some of your brain-washing because it is very damaging to you...though not to me.

 

[ippy]

The Grand Unification of All the Universal Forces...as taught in the Holy Bible and which is indisputable by modern science ippy. It runs throughout this topic with some exciting points established by millions over the generations .

You can't understand it but that isn't my fault...rather it is your own failure to look into your Holy Bible seriously.

Your only skill appears to be chasing honest people round and round in circles with pointless stabs at those who love the teaching of Jesus Christ...I recommend you shake off some of your brain-washing because it is very damaging to you...though not to me.

So what you're saying, following several assertions, by omission, is no you haven't got any evidence that can be shown to support your god/bible position; in other words your faith isn't based on supportable evidence?

Only up until now the only things you have said about your beliefs amount to assertions without any evidence that could possibly support any one of these many assertions of yours.

I can see why you don't want to answer me, it's because you can't, well you can't find anything sensible to answer this question, just ramblings.

ippy

[Sebastian Toe]

Moving on...

We have established that the teaching in the Holy Bible and in particular the Gospels all revolve around an invisible force that is so superabundant that all the galaxies, stars, atoms and science are made from it.

No let's not move on.
 Why?
Because nobody has established anything in that area.
What has happened is that you have asserted, a lot.
That's asserted, not established.
Unless of course the Sparky version of English has those words as synonyms in the same way as it has'soon' meaning sometime between a few hours and a few millenia!

[NicholasMarks]

No let's not move on.
 Why?
Because nobody has established anything in that area.
What has happened is that you have asserted, a lot.
That's asserted, not established.
Unless of course the Sparky version of English has those words as synonyms in the same way as it has'soon' meaning sometime between a few hours and a few millenia!

I have asserted that the Holy Bible has declared a time when people will live in peace and harmony...It gives a good description of the time immediately preceding it...it is a time when grown men and women will vilify the name of Almighty God and Jesus Christ...not because they have even bothered to read their work but just because they are driven by forces that the good will understand better than those who vilify that word.

Wormwood will have the last say...If you had an ounce of common sense you would explore what many people are reporting and take the only salvation plan on offer...learn to live with your neighbours...offer kindness instead of hostility and just wait until that terrible force has passed and we can rebuild without the nastiness that otherwise existed because those who prefer it, will no longer have a voice. In fact very quickly, they will be millions of miles away on a journey that could have been so easily avoided.

In expressing this dire need to you I am also giving the same advice to all who listen...some of whom need that Bible prophesy to be true...so...no harm done.

[BashfulAnthony]

May I suggest that there should be a rule that when someone has used the same expression more than, say, 350 times, as an arbitrary number, they should be forbidden to use it again, in the belief that people have finally understood!!

NB.  If applied it would of course mean that the forum would a number of posters, who would have nothing left to say.  No names, no pack drill. 

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

I have asserted that the Holy Bible has declared a time when people will live in peace and harmony...

Yes you have asserted that, as you have asserted every other conjecture you make here. Unfortunately, that's all you do - assert. While those assertions may make sense in your head, sadly they offer nothing with which anyone else can engage. To do that, you'd finally have to manage a logically cogent argument for your fantastical claims.

Any news by the way of this approaching solar system of yours that either no-one else has spotted or that would have to be travelling at faster than the speed of light to be able to sneak up on us?

Something?

Anything?

[ippy]

I have to say Nick, you've earned your nick name Sparky, with all your electric dynamic stuff etc and when you add to that your ultra numerous un-evidenced assertions about all sorts of silly ideas; well, I have to say, your not doing very well for what you think is a worthwhile cause.

All assertions and no answers, never mind Nick you're obviously happy wherever you think you are.

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky,

Yes you have asserted that, as you have asserted every other conjecture you make here. Unfortunately, that's all you do - assert. While those assertions may make sense in your head, sadly they offer nothing with which anyone else can engage. To do that, you'd finally have to manage a logically cogent argument for your fantastical claims.

Any news by the way of this approaching solar system of yours that either no-one else has spotted or that would have to be travelling at faster than the speed of light to be able to sneak up on us?

Something?

Anything?

There is plenty of news on the approaching  chaos bluehillside...it just has to be sought...but I'm not going to hold your hand looking for it. Some of that news started from NASA but the political position quickly changed and it was removed from public focus.

The Holy Bible exists...so that cannot be an assertion and its truthful teachings have grabbed the minds of millions over many generations so that is'nt an assertion either. Every scientist knows about cause and effect and as the Holy Bible creates much cause and effect it is worthy of scientific study. I bet i have lost you already but I haven't made a single assertion. You reject the Holy Bible so how can I have a meaning ful conversation with you about it...Both you and ippy are simply exposing yourselves as devout followers of dawkinism so you will just have to wait for your fates...and hope you are right...but I have to tell you...you are wrong

[NicholasMarks]

All...

I think what is important here, at the moment, is to establish a fact of life...gleaned from Bible study...and that is that certain people will attach themselves to your open-mindedness encouraged by good health and righteousness and because they are devoid in this area themselves they set about chasing you around trying to defeat you by subterfuge. Wives do it to husbands...husbands do it to wives. The bully does it to its target...leaving the victim horribly distressed...oppressors do it to the oppressed.

Now...according to my understanding, also gleaned from the Holy Bible, it is nature working at its lowest level and the same spiritual laws apply within the living cell. We torment their elctric needs and as a consequence they too become wild and unmanagable.

So we now have a model of how we can talk to our genetic health soothing and calming it down...courtesy of Jesus Christ.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

There is plenty of news on the approaching  chaos bluehillside...

No there isn’t. There’s plenty of news that’s reported all right, and for that matter there’s plenty of news that isn’t reported too. “’Plane crash!” is headline news; “Today 40 million ‘planes landed safely” isn’t even reported. Your problem is that you take the former phenomenon as indicative of the state of the world and you just ignore the silent – but much more significant – evidence of the latter.

If you want to make claims about “approaching chaos” you need first to deal with the silent evidence issue. Once you’ve done that you need to find things that actually are worsening rather than just happening. Global warming for example could fit the bill.

The problem with that though is that it’s all conditional – if it continues at the current rate, then….etc. At the same time however there are huge efforts underway to address that “if” – the Paris agreement last week for example. In other words, the Armageddon scenario may be your personal prophecy on the issue but that’s all it is.   

…it just has to be sought...but I'm not going to hold your hand looking for it. Some of that news started from NASA but the political position quickly changed and it was removed from public focus.

Your tinfoil hat is showing again.

The Holy Bible exists...so that cannot be an assertion…

No-one says otherwise, as do lots of other supposedly holy texts.

… and its truthful teachings…

You just jumped there from “it exists” to “its truthful teachings...” with no argument to get you there. That’s cheating – what makes you think that they are truthful?

… have grabbed the minds of millions over many generations so that is'nt an assertion either.

No, but it is a bad argument – the argumentum ad populum in fact. Several supposedly holy texts have “grabbed the minds of millions”. So what – do you think that truth is some kind of popularity contest?

Every scientist knows about cause and effect and as the Holy Bible creates much cause and effect it is worthy of scientific study.

That’s just gibberish. The “Holy Bible” is a book of stories and claims. It doesn’t “create” anything.

I bet i have lost you already but I haven't made a single assertion.

So far at least, that’s all you’ve made.

You reject the Holy Bible so how can I have a meaning ful conversation with you about it..

I don’t “reject the Holy Bible” as you put it. What I actually reject is the claims you make for it, and for the good reason that you cannot support them with cogent reasoning.

Both you and ippy are simply exposing yourselves as devout followers of dawkinism so you will just have to wait for your fates...and hope you are right...but I have to tell you...you are wrong

There’s no such thing as “dawkinsism”. There is though a scientific theory called the theory of evolution that’s hugely well supported by evidence, and that depends for its force on all the methods of science that you just ignore when you wrongly claim scientific support for your religious assertions.   

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky,

No there isn’t. There’s plenty of news that’s reported all right, and for that matter there’s plenty of news that isn’t reported too. “’Plane crash!” is headline news; “Today 40 million ‘planes landed safely” isn’t even reported. Your problem is that you take the former phenomenon as indicative of the state of the world and you just ignore the silent – but much more significant – evidence of the latter.

If you want to make claims about “approaching chaos” you need first to deal with the silent evidence issue. Once you’ve done that you need to find things that actually are worsening rather than just happening. Global warming for example could fit the bill.

The problem with that though is that it’s all conditional – if it continues at the current rate, then….etc. At the same time however there are huge efforts underway to address that “if” – the Paris agreement last week for example. In other words, the Armageddon scenario may be your personal prophecy on the issue but that’s all it is.   

Your tinfoil hat is showing again.

No-one says otherwise, as do lots of other supposedly holy texts.

You just jumped there from “it exists” to “its truthful teachings...” with no argument to get you there. That’s cheating – what makes you think that they are truthful?

No, but it is a bad argument – the argumentum ad populum in fact. Several supposedly holy texts have “grabbed the minds of millions”. So what – do you think that truth is some kind of popularity contest?

That’s just gibberish. The “Holy Bible” is a book of stories and claims. It doesn’t “create” anything.

So far at least, that’s all you’ve made.

I don’t “reject the Holy Bible” as you put it. What I actually reject is the claims you make for it, and for the good reason that you cannot support them with cogent reasoning.

There’s no such thing as “dawkinsism”. There is though a scientific theory called the theory of evolution that’s hugely well supported by evidence, and that depends for its force on all the methods of science that you just ignore when you wrongly claim scientific support for your religious assertions.   

As post #611

[Sebastian Toe]

As post #611

As post #605

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

As post #611

As post 612. Yet again, you've just run away from the arguments that undo you.

What does that say about you do you think?

[Nearly Sane]

House!

[NicholasMarks]

Seb/ippy/bluehillside...

You are now doing it blatantly...you have been anwered many times. It is indifrent to me...I have faith...but it is important to others who fall foul of your tactics.

We are living in a universe carved from electric/spiritual energy. It requires special electric/spiritual laws to make any sense of it. Some are incapable of seeing those laws so it is a waste of time telling you about them.

Jesus Christ told us all we need to know about those spiritual/electric laws but you and your ilk prefer either to walk through life as if they don't exist else you live under the authority of those same laws but in opposition to them.

How any of you think you are fit to judge the teaching of the Holy Bible defies belief but it plainly tells us about Wormwod and those who will be left to its devices, and the approaching star system that is looming all makes those pages in Revelation so much more vivid

I am proud to say I tried to save you from it...but many more will also follow you.

If it is a spiritual/electric universe and all scientific laws are subject to that fact...your scientific God will not be wrong on these issues...and even by ganging up  on me your tumorous assault will not make the sllghtest difference.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

You are now doing it blatantly...you have been anwered many times. It is indifrent to me...I have faith...but it is important to others who fall foul of your tactics.

You still don't understand the difference between a "what" question and a "why" question. You've been asked many times why you believe the things you believe, but you only ever tell us - over and over again - what those beliefs are. That's not answering at all - it's just avoidance.

Oh, and asking "why?" isn't a "tactic" at all - it's just asking why.

We are living in a universe carved from electric/spiritual energy. It requires special electric/spiritual laws to make any sense of it. Some are incapable of seeing those laws so it is a waste of time telling you about them.

So you assert. Why do you think any of it to be true though?

Jesus Christ told us all we need to know about those spiritual/electric laws but you and your ilk prefer either to walk through life as if they don't exist else you live under the authority of those same laws but in opposition to them.

No Jesus Christ didn't. If he had then you'd be able to tell us where in the Bible it refers to "spiritual/electric laws", but you can't. Why not?

How any of you think you are fit to judge the teaching of the Holy Bible defies belief but it plainly tells us about Wormwod and those who will be left to its devices, and the approaching star system that is looming all makes those pages in Revelation so much more vivid

We're fit to judge your claims about the Bible because you cannot answer when we ask you questions about them.

I am proud to say I tried to save you from it...but many more will also follow you.

Don't be. In the vanishingly unlikely event that you're right, then you should be ashamed of yourself for never once even attempting an argument with which people possessed of functioning intellects could engage.

If it is a spiritual/electric universe and all scientific laws are subject to that fact...your scientific God will not be wrong on these issues...and even by ganging up  on me your tumorous assault will not make the sllghtest difference.

To your deep ignorance, narcissism, evasions and persecution complex? Probably not, but as you've never managed (or even tried) to demonstrate this supposed "God" in the first place then you offer no reason for others to think that your un-argued and un-evidenced claims and assertions aren't entirely vapid.

[Sebastian Toe]

Seb/ippy/bluehillside...

You are now doing it blatantly...you have been anwered many times. It is indifrent to me...I have faith...but it is important to others who fall foul of your tactics.

Really?
See post #576

What is blatant is your avoidance.
It's your tactics that are foul!
And circular......

[ippy]

All...

I think what is important here, at the moment, is to establish a fact of life...gleaned from Bible study...and that is that certain people will attach themselves to your open-mindedness encouraged by good health and righteousness and because they are devoid in this area themselves they set about chasing you around trying to defeat you by subterfuge. Wives do it to husbands...husbands do it to wives. The bully does it to its target...leaving the victim horribly distressed...oppressors do it to the oppressed.

Now...according to my understanding, also gleaned from the Holy Bible, it is nature working at its lowest level and the same spiritual laws apply within the living cell. We torment their electric needs and as a consequence they too become wild and unmanageable.

So we now have a model of how we can talk to our genetic health soothing and calming it down...courtesy of Jesus Christ.

Well Nick that's indeed a lot of the things you think and at the same time, don't actually know.

By the way Nick what do you think about Hinckley Point, take the Mrs with you, go and have a look and perhaps it might help you with your estimate on how much you can tease her about her electric needs.

What exactly are these electric needs either your wife wants, or is it you that have these electric needs, your reply, if you don't mind me asking, should be moderately interesting to say the least?   

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

Well Nick that's indeed a lot of the things you think and at the same time, don't actually know.

By the way Nick what do you think about Hinckley Point, take the Mrs with you, go and have a look and perhaps it might help you with your estimate on how much you can tease her about her electric needs.

What exactly are these electric needs either your wife wants, or is it you that have these electric needs, your reply, if you don't mind me asking, should be moderately interesting to say the least?   

ippy

You have made it obvious ippy that you aren't interested in these points of discussion. For the benefit of the tape I would like to point out that it is Jesus Christ who gives us the accurate teaching about our nervous/electric/spiritual nature and I am just flying the same flag.

From Jesus' authority we discover Almighty God. He created the universe you know and he told us all about it. It wouldn't make absolute scientific sense until now, so I'm not too concerned that I am often misunderstood but I dispise bullying more than Almighty God himself does.

I'm not sure where you are going with your reference to Hinkley Point. All I can say is that the energy that will be yielded from those atoms that are crushed there is the energy my science put there. It certainly didn't just fall together into every atom in the way that the science you profess to support says...it was put there by the formula that all atoms use within their star bodies...dynamic energy sucked together inside an imploding force put it there and there is no difference between the pure nature of this material than the energy you fire when you decide to pick your nose.

Of course...if we leave all the crudity out of our calculations we can talk about a refined property, with refined laws and which works to human advantage but I suppose that this will have to wait for the new heavens and new Earth...I can hardly wait.

 

[jjohnjil]

You have made it obvious ippy that you aren't interested in these points of discussion. For the benefit of the tape I would like to point out that it is Jesus Christ who gives us the accurate teaching about our nervous/electric/spiritual nature and I am just flying the same flag.

From Jesus' authority we discover Almighty God. He created the universe you know and he told us all about it. It wouldn't make absolute scientific sense until now, so I'm not too concerned that I am often misunderstood but I dispise bullying more than Almighty God himself does.

I'm not sure where you are going with your reference to Hinkley Point. All I can say is that the energy that will be yielded from those atoms that are crushed there is the energy my science put there. It certainly didn't just fall together into every atom in the way that the science you profess to support says...it was put there by the formula that all atoms use within their star bodies...dynamic energy sucked together inside an imploding force put it there and there is no difference between the pure nature of this material than the energy you fire when you decide to pick your nose.

Of course...if we leave all the crudity out of our calculations we can talk about a refined property, with refined laws and which works to human advantage but I suppose that this will have to wait for the new heavens and new Earth...I can hardly wait.

That's so sad, Nick.  You can't wait for this mystery magical tour bus to take you off to NeverNever land.

I'm just pleased that when you die you won't be disappointed.  We have no regrets once we snuff it,

[NicholasMarks]

That's so sad, Nick.  You can't wait for this mystery magical tour bus to take you off to NeverNever land.

I'm just pleased that when you die you won't be disappointed.  We have no regrets once we snuff it,

You see Jjohnjil...you've got it all wrong. When we snuff it we have one of two roads we can take...according to Jesus Christ...We are spiritually insignificant and become locked in the ether or thanks to Jesus, who snatched the keys of life and death out of the hands of Satan, we can, like him, be resurrected to a new vessel. We could have been resurrected to our own flesh as he was but we are miserable sinners and anyway the repair process is usually in a state of severe neglect.

This is why there will be a period when all who have ever lived will be present in one generation...and the morals of this day and age suggest it is now. The science strongly suggests it is all possible.

It seems to me, because the Holy Bible says so, that some will go to everlasting life ..whilst others will go to eternal damnation via a fiery lake of sulphur...(Wormwood)...So, which ever way you look at it, it wont be fun for the disbeliever.

[jjohnjil]

You see Jjohnjil...you've got it all wrong. When we snuff it we have one of two roads we can take...according to Jesus Christ...We are spiritually insignificant and become locked in the ether or thanks to Jesus, who snatched the keys of life and death out of the hands of Satan, we can, like him, be resurrected to a new vessel. We could have been resurrected to our own flesh as he was but we are miserable sinners and anyway the repair process is usually in a state of severe neglect.

This is why there will be a period when all who have ever lived will be present in one generation...and the morals of this day and age suggest it is now. The science strongly suggests it is all possible.

It seems to me, because the Holy Bible says so, that some will go to everlasting life ..whilst others will go to eternal damnation via a fiery lake of sulphur...(Wormwood)...So, which ever way you look at it, it wont be fun for the disbeliever.

You do know, I suppose, that The Book of Revelation is the account of a dream some guy had in AD95, Nick?

You've spent your life worrying about the outcome of eating a cheese sandwich just before bedtime?

Very sad.