The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[NicholasMarks]

You do know, I suppose, that The Book of Revelation is the account of a dream some guy had in AD95, Nick?

You've spent your life worrying about the outcome of eating a cheese sandwich just before bedtime?

Very sad.

I'm not concerned Jjohnjil...concern about any and every event is removed when you follow Jesus Christ accurately. It's as if he fashions his teaching around our own individual problems and talks us through them...not with a voice but with his teaching.

Revelation is a book of mysteries for those who abandon righteous teaching, but, armed with the approach of Wormwood I suspect many will read it more closely and realise all these great dilemnas that surround us today are truly the events fortold of within it.

Learning about righteousness is the only answer but many will fail...so...why not you??

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

You have made it obvious ippy that you aren't interested in these points of discussion.

What "points of discussion" do you think you have made?

I can see lots of assertions, lots of mis-statements, lots of evasions of any attempt actually to discuss anything but no interest of any kind in actually discussing something.

Why not start by telling us how this mysterious solar system of yours will either sneak up on us undetected by telescopes, or will travel so much faster than the speed of light that it'll be here before we could detect it? Go for it!   

[jjohnjil]

I'm not concerned Jjohnjil...concern about any and every event is removed when you follow Jesus Christ accurately. It's as if he fashions his teaching around our own individual problems and talks us through them...not with a voice but with his teaching.

Revelation is a book of mysteries for those who abandon righteous teaching, but, armed with the approach of Wormwood I suspect many will read it more closely and realise all these great dilemnas that surround us today are truly the events fortold of within it.

Learning about righteousness is the only answer but many will fail...so...why not you??

I'm not concerned either, Nick ...concern about any and every event is removed when you realise what you've been worrying about turns out to be just a dream.  Nightmare, I suppose you should call such an experience - it's nice when you wake up from them though, Nick. 

One day you might wake up and realise that trying to scare people, with threats of ghosties in the night if you don't believe some far-fetched story, is very unchristianlike.  Though someone who has been tasered by a dynamic energied spiritual policeman like you have, Nick, has very little chance of coming out unharmed.

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky,

What "points of discussion" do you think you have made?

I can see lots of assertions, lots of mis-statements, lots of evasions of any attempt actually to discuss anything but no interest of any kind in actually discussing something.

Why not start by telling us how this mysterious solar system of yours will either sneak up on us undetected by telescopes, or will travel so much faster than the speed of light that it'll be here before we could detect it? Go for it!

I could ask you bluehillside how the universe can be positioned the way it is with all the galaxies placed where they are as the result of a big-bang, in the way discribed in the sacred book of science. If we take into account the speed of light they shouldn't be as far away as they are. They should be slowing down but they are getting faster. They should be filled with atomic particles structured in a systematic order...which change at whim from particles to waves to energy...hmmm....you are quoting a science to me that fails at the first hurdle.

On the other hand I have given you an alternative which doesn't ignore those scientific calculations but, instead, adds them up and comes up with better answers...gleaned from the Holy Bible, with a depth of knowledge that is exciting and exhilerating.

The problem is those who try to destroy God without bothering to read what he says and these are responsible for turning other minds away from God who might have otherwise been saved. You can take it up with them on Wormwood.

[NicholasMarks]

I'm not concerned either, Nick ...concern about any and every event is removed when you realise what you've been worrying about turns out to be just a dream.  Nightmare, I suppose you should call such an experience - it's nice when you wake up from them though, Nick. 

One day you might wake up and realise that trying to scare people, with threats of ghosties in the night if you don't believe some far-fetched story, is very unchristianlike.  Though someone who has been tasered by a dynamic energied spiritual policeman like you have, Nick, has very little chance of coming out unharmed.

Follow Jesus because...he explained that everyone who doesn't make the effort to find righteousness...including those who try to destroy righteousness, plus all those who work against righteousness, from the worst to the best...are in for a terrible Judgement...is all I am saying.

Repentance, including following peace, kindness, consideration, honesty, good-will, and patience are all part of that righteousness.

You will be telling me next that I am fear-mongering when I mention, Syria, Islam, people trafficers, violent criminals, wars...past and present, etc. etc. Let's face it, the world is in a terrible state and desparately needs divine intervention

What I am saying is follow a peaceful existence as taught to us by Jesus...even now, in these last days, because it is all going to erupt and I want you to be saved. By the time Wormwood gets here we will all be grateful...all, being, those who are saved.

Tuning-in to Jesus' accurate teaching will give us an extra dynamic to equip us for what is coming...this is help not scare-mongering.

[jjohnjil]

Follow Jesus because...he explained that everyone who doesn't make the effort to find righteousness...including those who try to destroy righteousness, plus all those who work against righteousness, from the worst to the best...are in for a terrible Judgement...is all I am saying.

Repentance, including following peace, kindness, consideration, honesty, good-will, and patience are all part of that righteousness.

You will be telling me next that I am fear-mongering when I mention, Syria, Islam, people trafficers, violent criminals, wars...past and present, etc. etc. Let's face it, the world is in a terrible state and desparately needs divine intervention

What I am saying is follow a peaceful existence as taught to us by Jesus...even now, in these last days, because it is all going to erupt and I want you to be saved. By the time Wormwood gets here we will all be grateful...all, being, those who are saved.

Tuning-in to Jesus' accurate teaching will give us an extra dynamic to equip us for what is coming...this is help not scare-mongering.

No, Nick, it is scaremongering.  The terrible consequences of not following your interpretation of one of the very many holy books is definitely meant to scare the vulnerable  - without ever supplying any evidence to support those warnings.  If you were a Muslim, you would warn me of not following Allah's teachings, but as someone who knows they can't all be right and 99. 99% certain that none of them are, how do I decide on your warnings being worthy of consideration as opposed to any one of the others?

Because this is your problem, Nick, if, as you say, you are doing all this to save us from a fate worse than death, you give us no indication of the truth of the assertions you make.  If you really and honestly believe this Wormwood phenomenon is 'soon' going to be upon us, tell us, for a start, the astronomers who have spotted it and it's path ... and I don't mean the editor of the 'Wormwood Gazette', who gets all his scoops from NASA's Dynamicc Energy Dept. 

[NicholasMarks]

No, Nick, it is scaremongering.  The terrible consequences of not following your interpretation of one of the very many holy books is definitely meant to scare the vulnerable  - without ever supplying any evidence to support those warnings.  If you were a Muslim, you would warn me of not following Allah's teachings, but as someone who knows they can't all be right and 99. 99% certain that none of them are, how do I decide on your warnings being worthy of consideration as opposed to any one of the others?

Because this is your problem, Nick, if, as you say, you are doing all this to save us from a fate worse than death, you give us no indication of the truth of the assertions you make.  If you really and honestly believe this Wormwood phenomenon is 'soon' going to be upon us, tell us, for a start, the astronomers who have spotted it and it's path ... and I don't mean the editor of the 'Wormwood Gazette', who gets all his scoops from NASA's Dynamicc Energy Dept.

Besides the Holy Bible jjohnjil my only source of knowledge is YouTube and there are many accounts of its approach on there. If it's of  interest to you may I suggest you do your own research on the subject...including Revelation. You might then realise that what you call scaremongering is in fact alerting you to something the authorities want to delay knowledge of. The reasons are obviious...just to keep things going whilst they prepare for it. All over the world there are observations being made, and preparations are taking place on a scale that doesn't include the vast majority of us.

All the changes in this planet's stability are warning us that something big and frightening is approaching this planet...Now the alarms going up about these positive problems, like global warming, climate change, magnetic field disturbances, mass die-offs of many creatures, heavy polution in the oceans, plus the ever impending threats of war aren't  frightening you too much so why should any other type of problem get the world more excited...especially if it is harder to prove.

The key principle hasn't changed though...if we try to be nice...honest...caring...following laws of good order...respecting our neighbours...respecting Jesus and his father Almighty God...all of which are at the root of Jesus Christ's teaching, which tells us that they have a protective influence over all those threats...isn't scaremongering, unless, that is, you refuse to be that sort of person.

When you come to reassess your position on this matter because the evidence becomes undeniable, think on my words...the only true salvation, on offer, is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. You can get hold of a Holy Bible easily...try reading it.

[jjohnjil]

Nick

I have had a read of the various university reports from around the world on this subject and it appears possible that a Planet X does exist, but only because, as our astronomical capabilities improve and far distant objects are 'seen', both in our solar system or on other star's solar systems, inconsistencies still occur. 

As with Dark Matter, it is purely a hypothetical answer to a blip in our calculations, Planet X is a way to explain slight errors in the orbits of our known planets.

Pluto was found by searching for Planet X back in 1930, but as it has now been calculated as being 1/500 th of Earth's mass instead of being a similar size when first discovered, it means it does not account for the 'wobble' .A large number of similar sized objects to Pluto have been found since, which can also be discounted.

As the various Voyager spacecraft expeditions have shown no noticeable deviation from their calculated paths, it looks more and more likely that our very complex astronomical arrays are simply picking up background noise from other galaxies, but it is still possible that something is out there.

Now this is a very different scenario from your warnings of some evil solar system heading for us with a planet all ready and waiting to take away all the non-believers!  So please stop your doom laden predictions now, Nick

As you told us in the past that you once stood at the end of a rainbow, I think it's you who needs to come down to Earth - not planet X.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

I could ask you bluehillside how the universe can be positioned the way it is with all the galaxies placed where they are as the result of a big-bang, in the way discribed in the sacred book of science. If we take into account the speed of light they shouldn't be as far away as they are. They should be slowing down but they are getting faster. They should be filled with atomic particles structured in a systematic order...which change at whim from particles to waves to energy...hmmm....you are quoting a science to me that fails at the first hurdle.

You could ask that yes, and in response I could give you answers that ranged from well-understood models through hypotheses to don't knows.

Here's the thing though - all you're attempting here is a basic logical fallacy (the argument from personal incredulity) on which you're sitting another basic logical fallacy (god of the gaps). Whether or not we have answers about the way the universe works, that does not give you licence just to drop in a pet explanation of your own for which there's no evidence whatever.     

On the other hand I have given you an alternative which doesn't ignore those scientific calculations but, instead, adds them up and comes up with better answers...gleaned from the Holy Bible, with a depth of knowledge that is exciting and exhilerating.

And ludicrous. And yes you do "ignore those scientific calculations" because you haven't the first clue about what they are. And I know about your ignorance concerning science because of your continued misrepresentations of its methods and findings. 

The problem is those who try to destroy God without bothering to read what he says and these are responsible for turning other minds away from God who might have otherwise been saved. You can take it up with them on Wormwood.

No, the problem is that you have no idea what you mean by "God", you have no idea whether this God exists, and you have no means of knowing what "He" says. You clearly have personal faith about all these things, but that's all you have. 

[NicholasMarks]

Nick

I have had a read of the various university reports from around the world on this subject and it appears possible that a Planet X does exist, but only because, as our astronomical capabilities improve and far distant objects are 'seen', both in our solar system or on other star's solar systems, inconsistencies still occur. 

As with Dark Matter, it is purely a hypothetical answer to a blip in our calculations, Planet X is a way to explain slight errors in the orbits of our known planets.

Pluto was found by searching for Planet X back in 1930, but as it has now been calculated as being 1/500 th of Earth's mass instead of being a similar size when first discovered, it means it does not account for the 'wobble' .A large number of similar sized objects to Pluto have been found since, which can also be discount?

ed.

As the various Voyager spacecraft expeditions have shown no noticeable deviation from their calculated paths, it looks more and more likely that our very complex astronomical arrays are simply picking up background noise from other galaxies, but it is still possible that something is out there.

Now this is a very different scenario from your warnings of some evil solar system heading for us with a planet all ready and waiting to take away all the non-believers!  So please stop your doom laden predictions now, Nick

As you told us in the past that you once stood at the end of a rainbow, I think it's you who needs to come down to Earth - not planet X.

You were doing so well till your last comment jjhnjil...At least you are alerted and looking. The Holy Bible and many present day observers are saying something quite different and I myself have seen a sky phenomenon that made me think...a wonderful sunset with a very strange behaviour pattern. Keep looking and listoning and you may see smothing yourself which will make you think twice.

But...in any event...Jesus Chrizt's accurate teaching will save you...why do you dodge it so robustly when your science is saying to you every thing is energy...just as Jesus did 2000 years earlier.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

...why do you dodge it so robustly when your science is saying to you every thing is energy...just as Jesus did 2000 years earlier.

Could you just tell us where exactly Jesus said that?

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky,

Could you just tell us where exactly Jesus said that?

Jesus said it when he said that he believed in Almighty God implicitly then began showing us how this energy worked in a refined, natural sort of way.

God said it when he said, look into the heavens...who put them all there? With the superabundnce of his mighty power/dynamic energy...each one is numbered and named (catalogued) not one is missing. (Isaiah 40:26).

   

[Sebastian Toe]

I myself have seen a sky phenomenon that made me think...a wonderful sunset with a very strange behaviour pattern.

Fascinating.
Can you describe it?

[NicholasMarks]

Fascinating.
Can you describe it?

Why should I bother Seb when I know your response even before I tell you. You can find the date easily though...it is the evening before me telling you of it in a previous post.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

Jesus said it when he said that he believed in Almighty God implicitly then began showing us how this energy worked in a refined, natural sort of way.

God said it when he said, look into the heavens...who put them all there? With the superabundnce of his mighty power/dynamic energy...each one is numbered and named (catalogued) not one is missing. (Isaiah 40:26).

But the question you were actually asked was where Jesus said that "every thing is energy" as you claimed. Can you find a reference, or is this just your spin on some vague Biblical passages?

[ippy]

What is it Nick, I've not seen you answer any question that you've been asked; you just keep bleating on about this Jesus, god or wormwood.

Why don't you ever answer anything, from anyone without giving another one of your pointless bleeding sermons?

ippy

P S By the way Nick,  I managed to get Rentokill, no more wormwood, yes that's the one Rentokill.

[NicholasMarks]

Why should I bother Seb when I know your response even before I tell you. You can find the date easily though...it is the evening before me telling you of it in a previous post.

Sorry bluehillside...some people think by bullet points and others use mental agility...weigh up the evidence then deduce the logic.

Following my way you will learn how to overpower brain-washing and find the mental agility that will flush out what is now holding you back.


                                    Something seems to have gone wrong here...but no harm done.

[BashfulAnthony]

What is it Nick, I've not seen you answer any question that you've been asked; you just keep bleating on about this Jesus, god or wormwood.

Why don't you ever answer anything, from anyone without giving another one of your pointless bleeding sermons?

ippy

P S By the way Nick,  I managed to get Rentokill, no more wormwood, yes that's the one Rentokill.

ippy.  You have the perfect response, don't you?

[NicholasMarks]

What is it Nick, I've not seen you answer any question that you've been asked; you just keep bleating on about this Jesus, god or wormwood.

Why don't you ever answer anything, from anyone without giving another one of your pointless bleeding sermons?

ippy

P S By the way Nick,  I managed to get Rentokill, no more wormwood, yes that's the one Rentokill.

Bleating on about Almighty God and Jesus is bleating on about a wonderful book...that is very deep and very thourough about things that should concern you...especially if you have loved ones who are now following your bleating.

Don't be hard on Wormwood...It isn't responsible for your dilemna...it just happens to be in the right place at the right time for God's Judgement...you have known that time will come for a long time now, haven't you??

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

Sorry bluehillside...some people think by bullet points and others use mental agility...weigh up the evidence then deduce the logic.

I have. You're wrong.

Following my way you will learn how to overpower brain-washing and find the mental agility that will flush out what is now holding you back.

You don't have a "way" - just assertions.

Something seems to have gone wrong here...but no harm done.

Yes it has. You clearly have a very strong suite of faith beliefs, but when you try to proselytise them here you fall back on bad reasoning, scientific illiteracy and the avoidance of all questions.

Still, glad to hear that you think it's done you no harm.

[ippy]

Bleating on about Almighty God and Jesus is bleating on about a wonderful book...that is very deep and very thourough about things that should concern you...especially if you have loved ones who are now following your bleating.

Don't be hard on Wormwood...It isn't responsible for your dilemna...it just happens to be in the right place at the right time for God's Judgement...you have known that time will come for a long time now, haven't you??

I know it won't get through to you but I'll have a try and see, have a good, for you, bleating on about all of your religion/faith and then after you done that, got it off of your chest so to speak, then give an answer to the questions you've actually been asked; something you haven't done before, a new experience for you Nick.

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

bluehillside...

Still, glad to hear that you think it's done you no harm.

That was a correction relating to a fault I noticed in the format.

[NicholasMarks]

I know it won't get through to you but I'll have a try and see, have a good, for you, bleating on about all of your religion/faith and then after you done that, got it off of your chest so to speak, then give an answer to the questions you've actually been asked; something you haven't done before, a new experience for you Nick.

ippy

I'll let you into a little secret ippy. We all come here to discuss Jesus Christ. He taught us a way of life that will unravel all the complications in our lives...we know this for a certainty because millions have found great comfort in his words and he promises a science that will deliver everlasting life. A science which all biological scientists would be proud of but they are missing one solid, scientific ingredient...the electric/spiritual nature of the universe which will keep the healthy living cell fired up to give the quality of performance we deserve, and, as the evidence points out...we don't deserve very much.

I wont be begging you to join in on the science of everlasting life...too many people have done too many wonderful things to earn it...but all we really have to do is repent, sincerely, but here lies your problem.

[ippy]

I'll let you into a little secret ippy. We all come here to discuss Jesus Christ. He taught us a way of life that will unravel all the complications in our lives...we know this for a certainty because millions have found great comfort in his words and he promises a science that will deliver everlasting life. A science which all biological scientists would be proud of but they are missing one solid, scientific ingredient...the electric/spiritual nature of the universe which will keep the healthy living cell fired up to give the quality of performance we deserve, and, as the evidence points out...we don't deserve very much.

I wont be begging you to join in on the science of everlasting life...too many people have done too many wonderful things to earn it...but all we really have to do is repent, sincerely, but here lies your problem.

Well that's all fine Nick, now how about answering some of the questions you still haven't answered, if you answer some of them it doesn't mean you've got to give up being a puncher, go on give it a try.

ippy

[jjohnjil]

I'll let you into a little secret ippy. We all come here to discuss Jesus Christ. He taught us a way of life that will unravel all the complications in our lives...we know this for a certainty because millions have found great comfort in his words and he promises a science that will deliver everlasting life. A science which all biological scientists would be proud of but they are missing one solid, scientific ingredient...the electric/spiritual nature of the universe which will keep the healthy living cell fired up to give the quality of performance we deserve, and, as the evidence points out...we don't deserve very much.

I wont be begging you to join in on the science of everlasting life...too many people have done too many wonderful things to earn it...but all we really have to do is repent, sincerely, but here lies your problem.

Nick, according to the Bible, Jesus helped others as best he could.  In that respect he was a good man   Of course we should all do our best for others and if he taught that, we should applaud his memory for it.

Nelson Mandela too was a good man. He forgave his enemies, he helped the downtrodden and fought injustice and for freedom for his people.  It should be enough to follow their example without worshipping them or pretending they were fantastic scientists when they weren't.

You really do your cause no favours when you focus on such nonsense as dynamic energy and righteousness.  Instead, come on here and preach goodness and justice for all and forget the scientific nonsense because it makes you look stupid and asking to be bullied.

You have the nerve to say we are brain-washed for not believing a lot of  amateurish  videos that my ten-year-old grandson could make with some wax crayons and his leggo set.  Stop acting as if you know even a smidgen of elementary science and promote Christianity for the good it can do  - and does do, in war-torn plces all around the world..