The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[NicholasMarks]

Thanks Nick, I'll have a look.
Can I just check that this is one with which you agree with its findings and or conjectures?
Ta.

Not entirely Seb...but it does offer some authentic proof from the Washington Post and Nasa if I remember correctly...but really it is a question of building up the picture from scattered information...until, of course, we see it for ourselves.

 

[Sebastian Toe]

Some just use him as an easy target for some very negative posts.

You could of course flag those posts and if the mods agree then they will be removed.

[Sebastian Toe]

Not entirely Seb...but it does offer some authentic proof from the Washington Post and Nasa if I remember correctly...but really it is a question of building up the picture from scattered information...until, of course, we see it for ourselves.

Cheers Nickster.
It would help of course for the discussion if you could isolate the bits that you agree with otherwise we could get mired down by raising irrelevant issues.
I will concentrate on the two that you have suggested for starters.
(still not had time to actually look at the clip so leave it to me for now)

[BashfulAnthony]

You could of course flag those posts and if the mods agree then they will be removed.

True, but I trust the Mods to do a job;  but were I to, then I would be spending a good % of my forum time monitoring the thread.

[NicholasMarks]

Cheers Nickster.
It would help of course for the discussion if you could isolate the bits that you agree with otherwise we could get mired down by raising irrelevant issues.
I will concentrate on the two that you have suggested for starters.
(still not had time to actually look at the clip so leave it to me for now)

I have gone through it again myself (the clip) for you Seb. The bits that are hard, true, facts, you should consider as correct and the points not supported by facts you can bear in mind whilst you explore further...the actual video states this itself...at the end. But my point to you is that you have been made aware and the only escape route other than 'none at all' is the accurate teachiing of Jesus Christ...but your own research will help you learn about and implement all this...if you are so inclined.

[Gordon]

True, but I trust the Mods to do a job;  but were I to, then I would be spending a good % of my forum time monitoring the thread.

Moderator:

As we are doing, as you can see.

In this thread we have already acted several times (involving different members) and should we see further responses that veer too far beyond robust fair comment towards demeaning personal remarks then we will act again. 

[BashfulAnthony]

I have a certain amount of sympathy for your point of view B A, but I don't see N M is any more extreme than religious believers that use a more gentle approach when expressing their views.

In general I would find religious believers much less of a target if they didn't keep on targeting the young, the next generation with their unsupported ideas, insomuch because older people can deal with challenging ideas and taking them up freely if they wish to do so, or dismissing them.

ippy

Just a small correction:  Christian ideas are NOT unsupported.

[BashfulAnthony]

Moderator:

As we are doing, as you can see.

In this thread we have already acted several times (involving different members) and should we see further responses that veer too far beyond robust fair comment towards demeaning personal remarks then we will act again.

Excellent.  Keep up the good work.

[ippy]

We can all agree that targeting the young is not on, and some religionists do that;  but, I'd say, not with malicious intent - unless we're talking about the likes of Daesh.  That doesn't apply to NM, so what  I said about his treatment here still applies.  It is uncomfortable to see some one repeatedly taken to task for beliefs, sometimes derisively, sometimes aggressively, and just too often.  Some just use him as an easy target for some very negative posts.

Obviously I wouldn't know if N M targets the young or not but largely given the chance most religionists do and that makes me think there is quite a bit of justification for not letting these people rest easy whether they like it or not or if they're well mannered or not.

Having said that I still share that certain amount of your sympathy for Nick, incidentally it could be taken for bad manners to not reply to direct questions with a straight answer ever, most people go for the occasional wriggle which is fair enough, we're all human, N M doesn't wriggle, he doesn't do straight answers to the questions asked, loves giving a sermon, Oh Boy.

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

Obviously I wouldn't know if N M targets the young or not but largely given the chance most religionists do and that makes me think there is quite a bit of justification for not letting these people rest easy whether they like it or not or if they're well mannered or not.

Having said that I still share that certain amount of your sympathy for Nick, incidentally it could be taken for bad manners to not reply to direct questions with a straight answer ever, most people go for the occasional wriggle which is fair enough, we're all human, N M doesn't wriggle, he doesn't do straight answers to the questions asked, loves giving a sermon, Oh Boy.

ippy

Straight answers, it seems, are in the eye of the beholder, ippy. The Holy Bible is full of straight answers but you choose to ignore them. You openly admit you haress those that do take it seriously and hinge your reasoning upon a point whereby you are the guardian of all children who might fall foul of God's teaching...I will let you into a secret...if it wasn't for Almighty God and Jesus Christ there would be no consolidation on points like slavery, child workshops, health assistance or poverty.

You can see how all the opposition forces to God's teaching are pushing us that way again but this time there is no safety net...except, of course Jesus Christ and Wormwood.

 

[BashfulAnthony]

Obviously I wouldn't know if N M targets the young or not but largely given the chance most religionists do and that makes me think there is quite a bit of justification for not letting these people rest easy whether they like it or not or if they're well mannered or not.

Having said that I still share that certain amount of your sympathy for Nick, incidentally it could be taken for bad manners to not reply to direct questions with a straight answer ever, most people go for the occasional wriggle which is fair enough, we're all human, N M doesn't wriggle, he doesn't do straight answers to the questions asked, loves giving a sermon, Oh Boy.

ippy

You remind me of a latter-day Mrs. Whitehouse.  She would sit in front of the tv tutting and complaining, but unable to find the off button.  You have made your point, however dubious, ("most religionists target the young," - justify that ridiculous generalisation), and it's time you found the off button.

[SusanDoris]

Just a small correction:  Christian ideas are NOT unsupported.

Could you please give a few examples of the 'christian ideas' you refer to here?

[Brownie]

NS,

Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. I haven't seen any of that here, and would object of course if I did.

By "on here", do you mean on this forum or just on this thread, bluehillside?

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Nicholas, I just watched the video and found it quite fascinating.  Some of it was familiar because I have read and seen videos concerning the NWO in the past, never quite sure what to make of them frankly.  However, thanks for posting that.

[Sassy]

I agree but no one is bullying Nick.  He perceives people getting annoyed with his constant assertions as bullying.  I don't think he should have to feel that way.

Constant assertions?  Where is there evidence that Nicholas Marks and his belief in God and Christ, and what they did together is an assertion?
Like anything that happened through history and was witnessed, it is the evidence of those witnesses who tell us it was true.
You and I, cannot go back in time. But we cannot discount the testimony of witnesses because it does not suit your choice of what you believe.  Could Christ rising from the dead be false and yet 2,000 years on men and women are still living in the belief and doing as Christ did.

It is hypocritical to suggest the eyewitness testimonies of those who knew Christ and witnessed what happened have any less truth or value as those who witnessed the other events in History whom you believe.

Their is much disrespect for another's beliefs - and bullying and suggestions of 'Constant Assertions' are all just as wrong as each other.

[NicholasMarks]

Constant assertions?  Where is there evidence that Nicholas Marks and his belief in God and Christ, and what they did together is an assertion?
Like anything that happened through history and was witnessed, it is the evidence of those witnesses who tell us it was true.
You and I, cannot go back in time. But we cannot discount the testimony of witnesses because it does not suit your choice of what you believe.  Could Christ rising from the dead be false and yet 2,000 years on men and women are still living in the belief and doing as Christ did.

It is hypocritical to suggest the eyewitness testimonies of those who knew Christ and witnessed what happened have any less truth or value as those who witnessed the other events in History whom you believe.

Their is much disrespect for another's beliefs - and bullying and suggestions of 'Constant Assertions' are all just as wrong as each other.

Thanks for that Sassy...A lovely  expression of the workings of righteousness...working within you.

[torridon]

Like anything that happened through history and was witnessed, it is the evidence of those witnesses who tell us it was true.
You and I, cannot go back in time. But we cannot discount the testimony of witnesses because it does not suit your choice of what you believe.

Yet you happily discount the eye-witness testimony of not just a handful but tens of thousands of people actively involved in the NASA Lunar space program, many of whom are still alive, many of whom are still working every day with the legacy of those missions.  Talk about two-faced 

[bluehillside Retd.]

Brownie,

By "on here", do you mean on this forum or just on this thread, bluehillside?

I meant in this thread, but it's true too so far as I can see on this mb generally. The term "bullying" can also by the way be thrown around too readily sometimes as an avoidance techniques. Fred posts, "2+2=5". Harry posts, "no it isn't, and here's why". Fred replies, "you're bullying me."

What Sparky has actually meant here when he's accusing people of "bullying tactics" is, "you're not agreeing with my assertions and I don't like it" - a very different matter.   

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

Constant assertions?  Where is there evidence that Nicholas Marks and his belief in God and Christ, and what they did together is an assertion?

In his posts - that's all he's done: assert. To get himself off the hook he elides himself and Jesus/God/theBible into one and the same thing so that any disagreement with his opinions he calls disagreements with Jesus/God/the Bible rather than with his claims about these things. 

He's been asked countless times why he thinks his claims to be true but he'll never answer - he just repeats the claims ad nauseam and relies on the, "so you disagree with Jesus/God/the Bible then" defence when he's called on it. Unless he genuinely doesn't know the difference between a "why" question and a "what" question it's dishonest behaviour, but there it is.

[BashfulAnthony]

Constant assertions?  Where is there evidence that Nicholas Marks and his belief in God and Christ, and what they did together is an assertion?
Like anything that happened through history and was witnessed, it is the evidence of those witnesses who tell us it was true.
You and I, cannot go back in time. But we cannot discount the testimony of witnesses because it does not suit your choice of what you believe.  Could Christ rising from the dead be false and yet 2,000 years on men and women are still living in the belief and doing as Christ did.

It is hypocritical to suggest the eyewitness testimonies of those who knew Christ and witnessed what happened have any less truth or value as those who witnessed the other events in History whom you believe.

Their is much disrespect for another's beliefs - and bullying and suggestions of 'Constant Assertions' are all just as wrong as each other.

Excellent post again, Sassy.  You are really hitting the nail on the head these days.  Well done!

[torridon]

Excellent post again, Sassy.  You are really hitting the nail on the head these days.  Well done!

What, you mean you really can't see the irony in a lunar-landings denier complaining about people not taking eye witness testimony seriously    OMG

[Gordon]

Could Christ rising from the dead be false and yet 2,000 years on men and women are still living in the belief and doing as Christ did.

Yes.

It is hypocritical to suggest the eyewitness testimonies of those who knew Christ and witnessed what happened have any less truth or value as those who witnessed the other events in History whom you believe.

It isn't in the least hypocritical: claims vary and need to be assessed on the details involved, especially so anecdotal claims.

[bluehillside Retd.]

BA,

Excellent post again, Sassy.  You are really hitting the nail on the head these days.  Well done!

Seriously?

"Survivorship bias, or survival bias, is the logical error of concentrating on the people or things that "survived" some process and inadvertently overlooking those that did not because of their lack of visibility. This can lead to false conclusions in several different ways. The survivors may be actual people, as in a medical study, or could be companies or research subjects or applicants for a job, or anything that must make it past some selection process to be considered further."

Wiki

[NicholasMarks]

Brownie,

I meant in this thread, but it's true too so far as I can see on this mb generally. The term "bullying" can also by the way be thrown around too readily sometimes as an avoidance techniques. Fred posts, "2+2=5". Harry posts, "no it isn't, and here's why". Fred replies, "you're bullying me."

What Sparky has actually meant here when he's accusing people of "bullying tactics" is, "you're not agreeing with my assertions and I don't like it" - a very different matter.

What Sparky actually means when he uses the term...'bullying' is that he has sensed a behaviour pattern, not unlike the bullying cancer cell...when a number of like minded people respond to the call of the primary bullying cell and cluster together to make a consolidated attack on the well-being of the post. The methods are always the same...pick on an arbitary point and keep repeating it over and over even though it has often already been answered...and using disbelief and dawkinism as some proven scientific fact.

As far as I am concerned I have over-ridden both excuses by showing that it is an electric/spiritual universe, following electric/spiritual, scientific laws. Almighty God owns those laws and Jesus Christ taught them to us in an environment of extreme bullying which resulted in his resurrection.

[Khatru]

Just a small correction:  Christian ideas are NOT unsupported.

Neither are Hindu, Islamic, Buddhist, Taoist, Shinto, Zoroastrian, etc, etc ideas.

[NicholasMarks]

Neither are Hindu, Islamic, Buddhist, Taoist, Shinto, Zoroastrian, etc, etc ideas.

Only one of these has the grand unification of all the unified field forces etched into its teaching...and so we can see...with every respect to all the others...that...excluding Christian iniquity...the teaching delivered by the son of their God is the ultimate and correct teaching...because none of the others had to achieve such a high righteous standard.