The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[bluehillside Retd.]

BA,

Subversion can mean overturning a social order, etc, as you say, it also means corrupting a person's personal morals which is the sense in which I used it.

"Corrupting" is a loaded term but I can see that it could change them. If, say, a child is taught that it's a fact that homosexuals are "sinners" or some such whereas they'd otherwise not have reached that conclusion then presumably one personal moral position at least would have been changed.

In that example I'd also argue that it had been "corrupted" by the way, but that's another issue.   

[Nearly Sane]

Have you never noticed his favourite comment about indoctrination/brain-washing?

That's usually that indoctrination and brain washing are not the same thing and he is of course correct.

He thinks that children might be indoctrinated  by the religious, and I have had my disagreements on whether that is child abuse with him, but I have never seen him suggest that it is overturning the personal morals of the child.

[BashfulAnthony]

That's usually that indoctrination and brain washing are not the same thing and he is of course correct.

He thinks that children might be indoctrinated  by the religious, and I have had my disagreements on whether that is child abuse with him, but I have never seen him suggest that it is overturning the personal morals of the child.

Reading Ippy's arguments, I suggest he subscribes to both shades of meaning.

BTW.  Black is black.

[NicholasMarks]

All...

I'm not sure it is relevant here but I have just turned on the telly and was greeted by a news slot telling us about the enormous increase in the deteriorating mental health of young women. I nearly screamed at the telly to tell them it is due to nervous exhaustion usually induced by vanity and looking inward at themselves instead of looking outward with good reasoning and good logic to guide them.

I extracted this knowledge from the scriptures so while you mull over and attack righteousness I  realized immediately that it is all these false marketing techniques that are at the root of all this despair.

Similarly...all the rest of these brain-washing techniques that our children are exposed to will bring them to despair early as well...so, why you blame Almighty God for misleading people...I blame all dissenters of righteous truth.

 

[Nearly Sane]

Reading Ippy's arguments, I suggest he subscribes to both shades of meaning.

BTW.  Black is black.

Eh? Both shades of what meaning? And get back to me when you can show a post where he or anyone else suggests that indoctrination is overturning the personal morals of children.

[NicholasMarks]

Eh? Both shades of what meaning? And get back to me when you can show a post where he or anyone else suggests that indoctrination is overturning the personal morals of children.

Indoctrination serves no one in any useful purpose...proof positive...all the indoctrination through adverts on the telly about weight, beauty, relationships, and the like are causing massive emotional distress to the young female elements in our society. Even governments pretend to be concerned but no one wants to tackle the true answer.

Roll this out over the state of thinking in the world today and it is small wonder that we are on the brink of WW3. Not to worry...Almighty God has a plan...but those responsible for heavy indoctrination are excused from it.

   

[ippy]

All...

I'm not sure it is relevant here but I have just turned on the telly and was greeted by a news slot telling us about the enormous increase in the deteriorating mental health of young women. I nearly screamed at the telly to tell them it is due to nervous exhaustion usually induced by vanity and looking inward at themselves instead of looking outward with good reasoning and good logic to guide them.

I extracted this knowledge from the scriptures so while you mull over and attack righteousness I  realized immediately that it is all these false marketing techniques that are at the root of all this despair.

Similarly...all the rest of these brain-washing techniques that our children are exposed to will bring them to despair early as well...so, why you blame Almighty God for misleading people...I blame all dissenters of righteous truth.

 

I couldn't help noticing this part of this post of yours Nick:

"Similarly...all the rest of these brain-washing techniques that our children are exposed to will bring them to despair early as well...so, why you blame Almighty God for misleading people...I blame all dissenters of righteous truth".

I think you'll find it's against the law to torture anyone, least of all children.

Just in case you wonder what I'm talking about; if you look into brainwashing the whole process revolves around torture, the North Koreans tried to do this process and it was found to have a very limited success; while you're looking up about brainwashing have a read about assertions, because it's obvious to me that you don't know very much if anything about either.     

ippy

 

[NicholasMarks]

I couldn't help noticing this part of this post of yours Nick:

"Similarly...all the rest of these brain-washing techniques that our children are exposed to will bring them to despair early as well...so, why you blame Almighty God for misleading people...I blame all dissenters of righteous truth".

I think you'll find it's against the law to torture anyone, least of all children.

Just in case you wonder what I'm talking about; if you look into brainwashing the whole process revolves around torture, the North Koreans tried to do this process and it was found to have a very limited success; while you're looking up about brainwashing have a read about assertions, because it's obvious to me that you don't know very much if anything about either.     

ippy

You are working at the extreme end of the brain-washing scale ippy...you know...the end that got Jesus crucified.

There is another extreme aspect where oppression is involved and this was particularly unpleasant during the slave trade when people would go to church in the morning and whip their slaves in the afternoon.   

The mind is a wonderful tool but many seek to influence it by false reasoning...especially when it involves making someone else doing something that is beneficial to you. On the news yesterday it listed youngsters in this county who are being brain-washed by criminals to carry drugs and it is getting out of control.

And here are you ippy...having a stab at the only science that offers any daylight from inside this terrible black-hole...ah well...its Wormwood or repentance...I can't make your important decisions for you.

[Nearly Sane]

Nick, just wondering if you've tried knitting?

[Sebastian Toe]

it is small wonder that we are on the brink of WW3.

WW3 oh no!
Is it really going to happen Nick?

[Sebastian Toe]

Nick, just wondering if you've tried knitting?

Has he?
Don't you know, that's what he is doing now and has been doing on these boards for years.

From the Sparktionary;
Knitting, - the act of asserting nonsense for an indefinite period on an online message board.

But not to worry, he will stop it soon.

From the same book;
Soon - some unspecified time the future, this can range from minutes to hours, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries, millenia.

[ippy]

Reading Ippy's arguments, I suggest he subscribes to both shades of meaning.

BTW.  Black is black.

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B A, I'm more inclined to think of the continuing unwarranted teaching of religion to the younger children as a form of pollution than anything else.

I really think it's time specific lessons about religions were shown the door and sent on their way into their place in history, they have now served their purpose, whatever it was supposed to be and really if parents want the children enrolled into that kind of thing it's for them to pursue it with their children in their own time.

Not having specific lessons about religion doesn't stop it legitimately coming up in history lessons, religions place in history can't be written out of the books nor should it be and in my opinion that's the only place religions should have in any school curriculum.

ippy

[ippy]

You are working at the extreme end of the brain-washing scale ippy...you know...the end that got Jesus crucified.

There is another extreme aspect where oppression is involved and this was particularly unpleasant during the slave trade when people would go to church in the morning and whip their slaves in the afternoon.   

The mind is a wonderful tool but many seek to influence it by false reasoning...especially when it involves making someone else doing something that is beneficial to you. On the news yesterday it listed youngsters in this county who are being brain-washed by criminals to carry drugs and it is getting out of control.

And here are you ippy...having a stab at the only science that offers any daylight from inside this terrible black-hole...ah well...its Wormwood or repentance...I can't make your important decisions for you.

It's got nothing to do with Jesus Nick, what are you on about?

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

It's got nothing to do with Jesus Nick, what are you on about?

ippy

It has everything to do with Jesus, ippy...Jesus taught us to be emotionally strong against all brainwashing and the forces that ignore this teaching are having a field day...all at the expense of the young and vulnerable...because their elders have decided that Jesus doesn't matter.

I could go into great detail but it is essential that those I tell are doing something constructive towards de brainwashing themselves, sufficiently, from their own self-interest.

[ippy]

It's got nothing to do with Jesus Nick, what are you on about?

ippy

Just because you're obsessed with all of that religious stuff doesn't mean everybody else is Nick.

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

Just because you're obsessed with all of that religious stuff doesn't mean everybody else is Nick.

ippy

I suppose I am a bit obsessive ippy. It's just that it is painful watching you all head to the furnace of fire and sulphur without making some remarks towards your salvation. But even I know it is a lost course. I can roll this out and say that all atheists worldwide would respond in exactly the same way so not to get over concerned. Not just me, but any who might feel as I do.

I suspect that pretty soon all of you will see what I have been telling you about and if it is anything like other experiences of mine, you atheists will be screaming louder and more forcefully than anyone else, demanding salvation...but those who are saved must realise that accept for the odd  few you have dug your own black-hole.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

I suppose I am a bit obsessive ippy. It's just that it is painful watching you all head to the furnace of fire and sulphur without making some remarks towards your salvation. But even I know it is a lost course. I can roll this out and say that all atheists worldwide would respond in exactly the same way so not to get over concerned. Not just me, but any who might feel as I do.

I suspect that pretty soon all of you will see what I have been telling you about and if it is anything like other experiences of mine, you atheists will be screaming louder and more forcefully than anyone else, demanding salvation...but those who are saved must realise that accept for the odd  few you have dug your own black-hole.

One could be forgiven for thinking you quite relish the fate you think awaits those who find your claims to be ludicrous. What did Jesus have to say about nasty pieces of work who spread their bile in his name?

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky,

One could be forgiven for thinking you quite relish the fate you think awaits those who find your claims to be ludicrous. What did Jesus have to say about nasty pieces of work who spread their bile in his name?

You need to read Revelation ippy. There Jesus tells everyone exactly what will happen to them in no uncertain terms.

The reason I am telling you is because I origanally thought it will make you think twice about the direction you are following and may even bring you to salvation...but you look at every avenue to condemn so that you are free to continue blaspheming God and Jesus Christ...how do you think those who are putting all their faith in this promise feel when they hear you bad mouthing their righteous and innocent saviour??

...Ahhhh I forgot...you don't care.

[NicholasMarks]

ippy/Seb/bluehillside/jjackjil...or any other atheist


This is for you...if you have time...and are prepared to digest it.

                   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hczaOtUmCvk

[ippy]

You need to read Revelation ippy. There Jesus tells everyone exactly what will happen to them in no uncertain terms.

The reason I am telling you is because I origanally thought it will make you think twice about the direction you are following and may even bring you to salvation...but you look at every avenue to condemn so that you are free to continue blaspheming God and Jesus Christ...how do you think those who are putting all their faith in this promise feel when they hear you bad mouthing their righteous and innocent saviour??

...Ahhhh I forgot...you don't care.

You need to read a dictionary and understand it Nick.

ippy
 
P S, Oh yes Nick, I'm not going for the crem I've donated my bod, less any parts that might help others, to Sheffield Uni where my brother acquired his M D; so it shouldn't be to hot.

ippy

 

[ippy]

ippy/Seb/bluehillside/jjackjil...or any other atheist


This is for you...if you have time...and are prepared to digest it.

                   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hczaOtUmCvk

No thanks Nick, it's boring.

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

You need to read a dictionary and understand it Nick.

ippy
 
P S, Oh yes Nick, I'm not going for the crem I've donated my bod, less any parts that might help others, to Sheffield Uni where my brother acquired his M D; so it shouldn't be to hot.

ippy

There is a part of you that will not burn and it will not be disected to help anyone. It is the part that Jesus gave you the opportunity to bring back to a new vessel via the mechanics of resurrection he showed you.

Now...OK, you are happy to go to the magnetic ether to twiddle your thumbs but some of us know that Jesus went there and snatched the keys from its doors so that those that followed him didn't become trapped.   

Well...if you don't get too bored...you can read in Revelation that all those in the ether will be tipped out, back to the flesh in time for God's Judgement. Some will go to everlasting life...here in the flesh...because they have shown they can follow righteousness. Others...well...errrr...wont be so lucky.

These are the things that can happen when you dabble with indestructible electrical forces that you refuse to bother reading about, even from the highest authority in the universe.

[torridon]

It's just that it is painful watching you all head to the furnace of fire and sulphur without making some remarks towards your salvation. But even I know it is a lost course. I can roll this out and say that all atheists worldwide would respond in exactly the same way so not to get over concerned. Not just me, but any who might feel as I do.

I suspect that pretty soon all of you will see what I have been telling you about and if it is anything like other experiences of mine, you atheists will be screaming louder and more forcefully than anyone else, demanding salvation...but those who are saved must realise that accept for the odd  few you have dug your own black-hole.

Back to your old scaremongering again Nick.  I think most of us around here have been around long enough to disregard such tactics; what we would respond to is good honest reasoned argument; you just paint yourself off the radar with this silly nonsense.

[Sebastian Toe]

I suspect that pretty soon all of you will see what I have been telling you about and if it is anything like other experiences of mine, you atheists will be screaming louder and more forcefully than anyone else, demanding salvation.

Pretty soon?
How long is that then Nick?

What exactly is it that we are going to see? Pretty soon!

[NicholasMarks]

Pretty soon?
How long is that then Nick?

What exactly is it that we are going to see? Pretty soon!

No one knows the hour or the day Seb...but you already knew that...didn't you??

If you checked out that YouTube clip you might get a clearer idea...but I suspect you won't bother. As for trying to scare anybody, torri...there are many already very scared...and many of these don't believe in the Holy Bible either...they are talking about preparations like bunkers, water storage, food and rations horded for the event...but I am simply saying upbuild a righteous spirit according to the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ so that the only salvation possible is achieved and I've even showed how it all works...if you make yourself an indestructible electric being you can interact with all adversity thrown at you and come good...failure isn't a pleasant option.