The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[NicholasMarks]

If you learnt to read the threads Nick, accurately, you wouldn't be saying that.

Would you like to read hat Sassy said?

Here it is here to help you

That was when I pointed out that there were/are human witnesses to the moon landings ie the guys ho were actually there.

So to repeat my question to you.
Do you think that the human eye witnesses to the moon landings ie the astronauts who actually went to the moon - are not telling the truth?
Simpe question Nick. Are you able to read the question accurately and answer it honestly?

I think I answered your question when I said...and I quote...'the jury is still out'...unquote.

Whilst you might believe that a huge misjudgement is being placed on your firmly held view here, there are experts who contradict you.

See me as an expert contradicting you on your firmly held view concerning the Holy Bible...bet you don't.

[Sebastian Toe]

I think I answered your question when I said...and I quote...'the jury is still out'...unquote.

Whilst you might believe that a huge misjudgement is being placed on your firmly held view here, there are experts who contradict you.

Not0a view. A fact that there are men who are witness to visits to the moon because they visited the moon.  the question is do you think that they are telling the truth or not

[NicholasMarks]

Not0a view. A fact that there are men who are witness to visits to the moon because they visited the moon.  the question is do you think that they are telling the truth or not

The jury is still out on this one Seb.

But not so with the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ...that happened alright...the evidence of resurrection confirms it. I could dig up irrefutable evidence on YouTube of such experiences but...hey...you don't like to see your firm beliefs crushed, do you??

Still, you have a lot to learn about the electric/spiritual nature of the universe and perhaps it's best to work at yiour pace...which isn't Wormwood proof but at least you will know why you were unable to be counted amongst the faithful.

 

[Sebastian Toe]

The jury is still out on this one Seb.

But not so with the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ...that happened alright...the evidence of resurrection confirms it.

The jury is still out on that one Nick.
Currently we could both talk to a live human who walked on the moon.
How many live humans can you talk to who witnessed the claimed resurrection?

[NicholasMarks]

The jury is still out on that one Nick.
Currently we could both talk to a live human who walked on the moon.
How many live humans can you talk to who witnessed the claimed resurrection?

Like you Seb, I was absolutely convinced on what I had been told about the luna landing...but the arguments against it are convincing...especially when you realise the propaganda benefits of it all.

Jesus didn't have any of that propaganda machine behind him...and certainly no one would go to the same lengths  to support an unsupportable experience which included their own death and persecution...unless it actually happened.

One amazing fact about it all is this...that even though Almighty God could have spread his word in a much more exciting and incredible way he chose to do it in a way that is achievable, even by you.

Now...instead of trying to chase me around on a subject I'm not paticulary interested in...why not concentrated on something I am interested in...like the electric/spiritual existence of everything in the universe which gave you life and which gave Jesus and Almighty God everlasting life.

[ippy]

That's fine by me ippy...though I'm in no position to ignore medical assistance.

You see, I believe, implicitly, that besides mans logic there is a deeper meaning to it all and that is what I try to reflect here. A power and a strength embodied within Jesus Christ's accurate teaching. A scientific strength that by your own acknowledgement you have no knowledge or interest in grasping.

I think it is poor university policy that allows the person to dictate who will get the organs donated...but I suspect you are having a little pun at my expense...even so...I am on a much bigger promise providing I don't flounder or fall at the obstacles well known to Jesus and Almighty God, and indeed many prior and current followers of the faith.

That's what we've been trying to tell you Nick, where you have put,  "You see, I believe, implicitly", I'm sure you do believe these things 'implicitly', that doesn't automatically make them become a part of reality; there's no evidence that would back up any of the magical, mystical, superstition based parts of any of this stuff you're always going on about.

It's a shame for you Nick, but that's how it is.

ippy

[Dicky Underpants]

See me as an expert contradicting you on your firmly held view concerning the Holy Bible...bet you don't.

I doubt that many Christians would see you as an expert on the Bible, or your firmly held views thereon.

[Dicky Underpants]

Now...instead of trying to chase me around on a subject I'm not paticulary interested in...why not concentrated on something I am interested in...like the electric/spiritual existence of everything in the universe which gave you life and which gave Jesus and Almighty God everlasting life.

Interesting: you seem to be claiming that this electric/spiritual stuff came before God. Quite a leap beyond traditional Christianity there. Perhaps the Mormons believe something similar. But not even the JWs believe what you've been suggesting.

It almost seems to allude to a steady state universe, with 'stuff' always existing. To really give such a claim as yours a rather more sophisticated pedigree, you'll find Plato arguing for something similar in the Timaeus (a little bedtime reading for you).

[NicholasMarks]

Interesting: you seem to be claiming that this electric/spiritual stuff came before God. Quite a leap beyond traditional Christianity there. Perhaps the Mormons believe something similar. But not even the JWs believe what you've been suggesting.

It almost seems to allude to a steady state universe, with 'stuff' always existing. To really give such a claim as yours a rather more sophisticated pedigree, you'll find Plato arguing for something similar in the Timaeus (a little bedtime reading for you).

You see Dicky...we have to go down our own path of human philosophy...supported by Biblical teaching to even begin to understand all Biblical claims.

Claim one...That Almighty God has always been and always will be. He is telling us here that this energy which he owns has always existed. Sciences conservation of energy is made good here when we build in this point because all the raw energy that built the universe has always been and always will be.

Claim two...That God is involved in everything that happens in the universe...This energy then is involved in every natural scientific behaviour pattern within the entire universe.

Clue three...That God is the beginning and the end...That this cycle of the continuum is broken when Almighty God realised what was happening...he broke the hidden code of nature.

Claim four...In breaking the living code of nature God realised what was going wrong with life even in Heaven as it is here on planet Earth. We too are following exactly the same evil ways.

Claim five...God developed his righteous laws around his own heavenly population...repairing them in the same way he will repair us...or, at least, those who follow his ways which are embedded into the existance of this raw material that Jesus highlighted to us in God's refined way.

Claim six...Our own governments don't value our existance very much so why should a force that claims to love us all value us more. Simple really...Almighty God knows that righteousness will deliver repair and everlasting life providing we aren't interupted by the secret machinations of evil and so they, (Jesus Christ and Almighty God) have devised a plan where evil will be silenced once and for all...It's just that those teetering on the edge, who concern me most, because there is no need for them to be lost to Wormwood (The natural Judgment tool of God's choice)...but they will be, if their not careful...because God's Judgment doesn't differentiate between the worst evil and the best...those who just refuse to believe in righteous good order.

[torridon]

I think the jury is still out on this one Seb...but what I understood from Sassy is that there are claims and counter claims from expert witnesses but in the case of Jesus...though there are many solid, witnesses, telling us about the resurrection, there are none who contradict these eye-witness accounts.

NPF.

Like we would expect to see eye witness accounts of seeing no dead people wandering about   

[torridon]

Woooa! You seem to have a deep mystical gnosis for the way the universe is Torridon.
Let's run this profundity again

'' you have to remember that, what constitutes 'me' is valid for the current moment in time only.''

Are you getting this stuff from the akashic record? Johanna Southcott's box or what?

That just follows from the uncontroversial notion of constant change. If I can get my self uploaded to the cloud or get myself resurrected by God, the same applies, it would be a snapshot of me at this moment in time.  One second ago I was slightly different, and one second hence I will be slightly different again.  Incessant change is the order of things and there can be no islands of isolation in which we can remain untouched by change.

[jeremyp]

Like you Seb, I was absolutely convinced on what I had been told about the luna landing...but the arguments against it are convincing...especially when you realise the propaganda benefits of it all.

No they aren't.

Jesus didn't have any of that propaganda machine behind him

Not while he was alive, but since then, the Christianity propaganda machine has been in overdrive for 2,000 years.

One amazing fact about it all is this...that even though Almighty God could have spread his word in a much more exciting and incredible way he chose to do it in a way that is achievable, even by you.

Translation: Almighty God did not spread his word: ordinary human beings spread what they thought was his word.

[NicholasMarks]

No they aren't.
Not while he was alive, but since then, the Christianity propaganda machine has been in overdrive for 2,000 years.
Translation: Almighty God did not spread his word: ordinary human beings spread what they thought was his word.

Point one...we must agree to differ

Point two...we must agree to differ

Point three...we must agree to differ.

[Khatru]

I suppose I am a bit obsessive ippy. It's just that it is painful watching you all head to the furnace of fire and sulphur without making some remarks towards your salvation. But even I know it is a lost course. I can roll this out and say that all atheists worldwide would respond in exactly the same way so not to get over concerned. Not just me, but any who might feel as I do.

I suspect that pretty soon all of you will see what I have been telling you about and if it is anything like other experiences of mine, you atheists will be screaming louder and more forcefully than anyone else, demanding salvation...but those who are saved must realise that accept for the odd  few you have dug your own black-hole.

Not at all. 

I'm not going into any furnace, I refuse to go and nothing can budge me.

[ippy]

You see Dicky...we have to go down our own path of human philosophy...supported by Biblical teaching to even begin to understand all Biblical claims.

Claim one...That Almighty God has always been and always will be. He is telling us here that this energy which he owns has always existed. Sciences conservation of energy is made good here when we build in this point because all the raw energy that built the universe has always been and always will be.

Claim two...That God is involved in everything that happens in the universe...This energy then is involved in every natural scientific behaviour pattern within the entire universe.

Clue three...That God is the beginning and the end...That this cycle of the continuum is broken when Almighty God realised what was happening...he broke the hidden code of nature.

Claim four...In breaking the living code of nature God realised what was going wrong with life even in Heaven as it is here on planet Earth. We too are following exactly the same evil ways.

Claim five...God developed his righteous laws around his own heavenly population...repairing them in the same way he will repair us...or, at least, those who follow his ways which are embedded into the existance of this raw material that Jesus highlighted to us in God's refined way.

Claim six...Our own governments don't value our existance very much so why should a force that claims to love us all value us more. Simple really...Almighty God knows that righteousness will deliver repair and everlasting life providing we aren't interupted by the secret machinations of evil and so they, (Jesus Christ and Almighty God) have devised a plan where evil will be silenced once and for all...It's just that those teetering on the edge, who concern me most, because there is no need for them to be lost to Wormwood (The natural Judgment tool of God's choice)...but they will be, if their not careful...because God's Judgment doesn't differentiate between the worst evil and the best...those who just refuse to believe in righteous good order.

And your evidence that might support these claims of yours Nick, is to be found where?

Don't say the bible Nick, the bible and this god idea of yours are one and the same thing, in other words you need to supply evidence for both at the same time otherwise it wouldn't make sense and we'd be back to that circle of yours, your circle of non-reason which is all of your own making.

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

And your evidence that might support these claims of yours Nick, is to be found where?

Don't say the bible Nick, the bible and this god idea of yours are one and the same thing, in other words you need to supply evidence for both at the same time otherwise it wouldn't make sense and we'd be back to that circle of yours, your circle of non-reason which is all of your own making.

ippy

ippy

The invisible things of God are seen by those things that are visible...so by showing you an invisible material that made all the stars and galaxies and laws controlling them...I have exeeded your criterea...ippy...especially when so many are blinded by its dazzling qualities.

[ippy]

The invisible things of God are seen by those things that are visible...so by showing you an invisible material that made all the stars and galaxies and laws controlling them...I have exeeded your criterea...ippy...especially when so many are blinded by its dazzling qualities.

You're not improving Nick.

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

You're not improving Nick.

ippy

Perhaps not to you ippy...but maybe those silent followers who come and go on here might be encouraged if they know that Jesus cannot be blasphemed or slandered willy nilly by those who simply don't know what is in the Holy Bible...and don't care...even though their Judgment glides closer everday.

Now, closer here 'Seb' means...no one knows the hour or the day...but a good few YouTubers know that it is now fast approaching and, for my part, the Biblical signs are getting stronger...daily.

[Sebastian Toe]

Now, closer here 'Seb' means...no one knows the hour or the day...but a good few YouTubers know that it is now fast approaching and, for my part, the Biblical signs are getting stronger...daily.

That's right Nick.
Based on the success rate of you tubers so far in predicting end times of all different flavours I would say that sometime between 50 years and never  is a good a prediction as any.
  I won't be around then, so thanks but no thanks.

[Sebastian Toe]

For my part, the Biblical signs are getting stronger...daily.

Nick that suggests that some things are changing on a daily basis. What changed between yesterday and today?

[NicholasMarks]

That's right Nick.
Based on the success rate of you tubers so far in predicting end times of all different flavours I would say that sometime between 50 years and never  is a good a prediction as any.
  I won't be around then, so thanks but no thanks.

I can tell you exactly where you will be Seb. You too have an indestructable presence carved from an indestructable material, formed and shaped after your likeness but it will be insignificant and unable to become a reborn entity in the next generation...until that time when the plasma will release all its captives back to the flesh. I kind of think that time is now...because the morals of the world are so poor. Take that chance and repair your spiritual existance and follow the man who died...then snatched the keys from this prison to give you a righteous chance of renewal  via his resurrection...failure means Wormwood...and I'm all for saving you from your own foolishness.

[NicholasMarks]

Nick that suggests that some things are changing on a daily basis. What changed between yesterday and today?

Wormwood is getting nearer Seb. I nearly pasted a scientific link on this subject, on your post, but decided not to bother.

[Khatru]

I can tell you exactly where you will be Seb. You too have an indestructable presence carved from an indestructable material, formed and shaped after your likeness but it will be insignificant and unable to become a reborn entity in the next generation...until that time when the plasma will release all its captives back to the flesh. I kind of think that time is now...because the morals of the world are so poor. Take that chance and repair your spiritual existance and follow the man who died...then snatched the keys from this prison to give you a righteous chance of renewal  via his resurrection...failure means Wormwood...and I'm all for saving you from your own foolishness.

No. Seb isn't going into any furnace.  i'm sure, like me, he'll refuse to go.

[NicholasMarks]

No. Seb isn't going into any furnace.  i'm sure, like me, he'll refuse to go.

You are both excused then as far as I am concerned...so it's just Jesus Christ and Almighty God you both need to worry about.

Perhaps they will excuse you too...but only if you repent in time.

[Khatru]

You are both excused then as far as I am concerned...so it's just Jesus Christ and Almighty God you both need to worry about.

Perhaps they will excuse you too...but only if you repent in time.

So it's your god who will ensure I suffer the agonies of eternal torture?

That's monstrous, even our penal system is better than that. 

It must be embarrasing for your god that his creation exhibit better morality than he does.