The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[Gordon]

Moderator:

Please note I've removed several posts in relation to the banning of Bashful Anthony, since not only is this a derail it would be inappropriate to speculate on the details bearing in mind, as is often the case, that some aspects were never in the public domain.

Although BA isn't 'here' we will respect his confidence regarding the particular circumstances of the ban we applied and would appreciate it members took this into account and stopped commenting on this matter. 

[Gonnagle]

Dear forum,

Old Blue and our Nicholas will be back, they do that from time to time, take a wee break and then come thundering back, trust me I know, I am a big fan of both.

Gonnagle.

[SusanDoris]

Has Nicholas Marks indicated that he is going to drop out for a while again? I'm afraid I don't read his posts, so if he has said that, I'll have missed it!

[floo]

If I left this forum it would close through lack of interest within a month.......I know that, you know that and these men in white coats know it too.......

Nice one!

[jeremyp]

Point one...we must agree to differ

Point two...we must agree to differ

Point three...we must agree to differ.

You disagree with me, but you can't articulate why?

[Sebastian Toe]

If I left this forum it would close through lack of interest within a month.......I know that, you know that and these men in white coats know it too.......

Then why don't you take a month holiday from the board to see if that happens?

Or are you addicted to spewing out rabid anti-secularist rantings?

[Sebastian Toe]

Unfortunately the result would be challenged by claims that any drop was really due to people not being able to act as some shower of a wild animal pack to savage Nicholas Marks ...........or the departure of Bluehillside where it would be claimed that people had left in sympathy with "their dear leader" or that they left to go and celebrate.

Unfortunately for your arguement any Nick/Blue drop will be noticeable now so can be statistically discounted from that caused by your hiatus.
Plus you are claiming that the board would close.........

[floo]

The forum has gone quiet again now NM has taken leave of us.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Unfortunately for your arguement any Nick/Blue drop will be noticeable now so can be statistically discounted from that caused by your hiatus.
Plus you are claiming that the board would close.........

......Not only that, there's an even chance that remaining posters will be gored by mammoths defrosted by global warming..........

[Anchorman]

No you need to do your homework Sassernach. Humans have not been fully modern human for that long, mostly a figure of 200,000 years is now widely accepted, and even so we haven't been in China that long, the migrations out of Africa into Asia were around 50,000 years ago.  The oldest monotheist religion developed out of earlier forms of Judaism around 6th century BC, although others hold that Zoroastrianism or Akhenaten's Sun God have valid claims to be the oldest. The start of the drift away from polytheism and animism is probably marked by the agricultural revolution when we humans began to lose our intimate and wide connections with nature, becoming separate from it by living in villages.  Hence mythologies like the Garden of Eden that might reference ancient folk memories of the halcyon days when our hunter gatherer ancestors simply went and found food in the forest, and were not tied to the land labouring all year round to grow it.

Geek alert!
Just noticed this.
Most modern Egyptologists ( Dodson, Reeves, Ikram, Fletcher, etc) would contend that Akhenaten was in no way monotheistic as we understand the term.
Certainly his concept of Aten seems to have been a syncretism of the pre-existing Re-Horakhty solar cult with an apotheosiezed Amenhotep III.
Try saying that with a set of falsers.
End of geek alert!

[Nearly Sane]

Moderator The current posting of a member on another board and personal comments on that poster are off topic. This has lead to a number of posts being removed.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Sane,

Oan yerself big man! A fine piece of Moderating

Gonnagle.

[floo]

Yes sorry, I shouldn't have gone on about it, I was feeling fed up.

[Brownie]

Sorry to hear that, floo, it will pass.  Perhaps someone will post something (on the General), that will cheer you up a bit.  I can't think of anything off hand but there are others who are extremely witty at times.

[floo]

The best advice that anyone can offer those who don't think this is true is...follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and thereby make this terrible world a better place...and also be in with a shout when that final trumpet blows.


Getting back to NM's original post.  Christianity hasn't made the world a better place at all, in many respects, some of the teaching attributed to Jesus has been used to oppress people, especially the RCC version of it and the 'born again' dogma!

[Anchorman]

So, without Christianity, floo, what would have happened to the world? How can you judge whether the world is or is not better, without an alternative timeline?

[Sebastian Toe]

So, without Christianity, floo, what would have happened to the world? How can you judge whether the world is or is not better, without an alternative timeline?

Can anyone?

[floo]

So, without Christianity, floo, what would have happened to the world? How can you judge whether the world is or is not better, without an alternative timeline?

I doubt we would have been worse off if no one had heard of that guy Jesus and his unpleasant 'daddy'!

[Brownie]

As humans appear to have, on the whole, wanted or needed some sort of religion, had it not been Christianity that took off and became so widespread, it would have been some other faith (maybe one we know about already or perhaps something different altogether) - and we'd be here arguing about that  .

Regardless of faith, I have always loved learning about religion.  To me, Religion and Ethics is fascinating group of subjects.

[torridon]

As humans appear to have, on the whole, wanted or needed some sort of religion, had it not been Christianity that took off and became so widespread, it would have been some other faith (maybe one we know about already or perhaps something different altogether) - and we'd be here arguing about that  .

Regardless of faith, I have always loved learning about religion.  To me, Religion and Ethics is fascinating group of subjects.

and isn't it the case that all the world's old religions are gradually morphing into something more homogenous under the influence of globalisation.  Humans have been separated by geography for millennia and now we are coming together again and coming to more pluralist ways of thinking. With global communications at our fingertips there is no longer any justification for remaining enclosed in our local belief systems as if that was all there was.

[Brownie]

You have a point.

[Anchorman]

Can anyone?

Truthfully, Seb?
No.

[Anchorman]

I doubt we would have been worse off if no one had heard of that guy Jesus and his unpleasant 'daddy'!

So, in other words, you cannot tell whether we would, or would not, be better - or worse off - without Christianity?

[floo]

So, in other words, you cannot tell whether we would, or would not, be better - or worse off - without Christianity?

As I said, I doubt we would be worse off.

[Anchorman]

As I said, I doubt we would be worse off.

As I said, I doubt we would be worse off.

So;
I ask again;
What would the world be like today without two millennia of Christian history?
We have nothing with which to compare it.