The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[Sebastian Toe]

The longer we leave it the harder it will be.

Who is the 'we'?
The people on this board or mankind in general?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Seb,

The "we" is mankind in general ( I am allowed to answer some of Nicholas's post being El Presidente of his fan club ) but I fear our Nicholas may be to late in warning us, we have a Putin in the Kremlin, a Trump in the Whitehouse, a May in number 10, and if we are really lucky we will have a Le Pen in France.

Repent Sinners for the hour, day, week, month, year, decade is at hand, never mind, it is all not doom and gloom, I have square sausage for my breakfast

Gonnagle.

[Brownie]

Well then, you will never walk alorne.

[Sassy]

No Bashers posts since you left!
I was holding out so much hope, that you would be good to your word, Nick.

Looks like something (Satan?) has tempted you back though?
What happened at the other place? No converts there either? Shame!

Have you heard yourself, Toe?

For someone who is an atheist, you appear to use jargon that for want of a better word is lame in the hands of someone who does not believe. "Greater is he (Gods Spirit ) who is in us that he (Satan) who is in the world."
Converts and being tempted back... like a Christian has anything to fear from here regarding their faith.

Have you taken any anti-dizzyness pills to prepare you to counteract your circular arguments which will surely happen, soon? (that's 'soon' as in the common English language usage  )

Circular arguments...how many times has that one been thrown around on this forum.

Invention of someone who cannot actually find an answer to quash the argument once and for all with reasoned evidence.

I like your style but not your content...LOL..

[floo]

Unfortunately torridon...I have to stick to accuracy and truth...and that truth is saying that the Holy Bible is correct in every detail...provable by science...which will have to conclude soon that all their dark matter and dark energy is the birth-force behind all their scientific knowledge, data, and calculations. Because of my spirit of adventure I have sought to manufacture our universe from the clues given in the Holy Bible and clues given by modern science and, in my own naive way to bring that knowledge to those who will listen and in the time span available to us.

If the Holy Bible is true in every detail these are the points we should consider seriously. That in the last days there will be difficult times hard to deal with. Evil will rise-up like a cancerous tumour. There will be wars and rumours of wars...there will be earthquakes and food shortages in diverse  places...there will be a great intrusion of this planetary system by way of the bombardment of rogue heavenly forces including Wormwood and a fiery lake of sulphur and, here, we are just scratching the surface.

It is all very grim but we are warned about it by a very high teacher from a very high authority who tells us how to prepare for such traumas...how to be resurrected, and how to be comforted when it happens. Every one is able to participate in that teaching providing they show appropriate respect to their deity which includes looking at Jesus' teaching again...individually...and allow our thinking to align itself with the authority who will rule us afterwards.

The longer we leave it the harder it will be.

You want to believe the Bible is correct in every detail, but it is only provable by your very unique version of science, which isn't real science!

[Sassy]

Nick

where is this entire book of science ,I want a copy to show to every scientist on the planet . Then they can all give up working and spend more time with their kids or whatever.

What happens when the scientist ask you to explain?... Yup! back to the drawing board for you Walter...

Have you been Walter?

[Sebastian Toe]

For someone who is an atheist,

You keep saying that. Why?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Brownie,

Well then, you will never walk alorne.

Oh dear but then, it took me half an hour to figure out what you were talking about.

Gonnagle.

[Walter]

What happens when the scientist ask you to explain?... Yup! back to the drawing board for you Walter...

Have you been Walter?

did somebody say something ? no, never mind then.

[NicholasMarks]

Dear Seb,

The "we" is mankind in general ( I am allowed to answer some of Nicholas's post being El Presidente of his fan club ) but I fear our Nicholas may be to late in warning us, we have a Putin in the Kremlin, a Trump in the Whitehouse, a May in number 10, and if we are really lucky we will have a Le Pen in France.

Repent Sinners for the hour, day, week, month, year, decade is at hand, never mind, it is all not doom and gloom, I have square sausage for my breakfast

Gonnagle.

Gonnagle/Brownie/Sassy/ippy/Walter/Floo/Sebastian Toe…


You are right on the money Gonnagle…so thanks for that, and when things begin to hot up we will need to keep a good sense of morale alive…but…square sausages??

The forces of evil have a very limited behaviour pattern. They, like the cancer-cell, and all other bullies thrive on hysteria…winding up the emotional level of the masses so that the masses lose control not only of their ability to reason responsibly but will charge around blindly, into any situation, under the manipulation of their masters, as, and when, the hysterical pitch of the majority allows them to, and they will inflict untold amounts of damage on any who stand in their way. So it is wise to stay close to the teaching which supports an opposing view…ie…the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ…as he alone taught us.

We, at the same time, whilst the herds of people are crushing their own health, are taking our own genetic health, and those we are able to influence by our more righteous stance, and lifting them up into repair mode…just as Jesus taught us, and whichever of the many impending dangers affects us we will be best prepared to deal with them because we will have Jesus Christ and his all-powerful father on our side…and resurrection a firm promise given to us by Jesus, if we are able to endure it all to the end.

It seems likely to me that those who endure, righteously, to the end, will have applied for and receive an everlasting role of universal leadership, in the new heavens and the new Earth, which will be a priesthood caring for the good order and good health of those who are saved, under the direct authority of Jesus Christ, and we will all be scientifically able to whizz around the Milky Way, as we now whizz around this planet…but let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves.     

[floo]

Gonnagle/Brownie/Sassy/ippy/Walter/Floo/Sebastian Toe…


You are right on the money Gonnagle…so thanks for that, and when things begin to hot up we will need to keep a good sense of morale alive…but…square sausages??

The forces of evil have a very limited behaviour pattern. They, like the cancer-cell, and all other bullies thrive on hysteria…winding up the emotional level of the masses so that the masses lose control not only of their ability to reason responsibly but will charge around blindly, into any situation, under the manipulation of their masters, as, and when, the hysterical pitch of the majority allows them to, and they will inflict untold amounts of damage on any who stand in their way. So it is wise to stay close to the teaching which supports an opposing view…ie…the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ…as he alone taught us.

We, at the same time, whilst the herds of people are crushing their own health, are taking our own genetic health, and those we are able to influence by our more righteous stance, and lifting them up into repair mode…just as Jesus taught us, and whichever of the many impending dangers affects us we will be best prepared to deal with them because we will have Jesus Christ and his all-powerful father on our side…and resurrection a firm promise given to us by Jesus, if we are able to endure it all to the end.

It seems likely to me that those who endure, righteously, to the end, will have applied for and receive an everlasting role of universal leadership, in the new heavens and the new Earth, which will be a priesthood caring for the good order and good health of those who are saved, under the direct authority of Jesus Christ, and we will all be scientifically able to whizz around the Milky Way, as we now whizz around this planet…but let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves.   

Square sausages are much more credible than your 'science', NM!

I reckon Jesus would have been gobsmacked by the interpretation you have put on what he is supposed to have said. I bet nothing was further from his mind.

[Brownie]

Have you been Walter?

He hasn't been anyone else.

Floo:  Square sausages are much more credible than your 'science', NM!


You are not a lorne voice in your opinion.

Nicholas, I have a problem with the idea that we (or some of us) will be given overseer-type positions in the next life.  Please explain where you got that from.  Thanks.

[Walter]

nick

where the flying fffff fairies do yo get this stuff from?
its great for a laugh mate , but let's all acknowledge that eh? even you.

then you can carry on .......... off you go

[Gonnagle]

Dear Nicholas,

The forces of evil have a very limited behaviour pattern. They, like the cancer-cell, and all other bullies thrive on hysteria…winding up the emotional level of the masses so that the masses lose control not only of their ability to reason responsibly but will charge around blindly, into any situation, under the manipulation of their masters, as, and when, the hysterical pitch of the majority allows them to, and they will inflict untold amounts of damage on any who stand in their way. So it is wise to stay close to the teaching which supports an opposing view…ie…the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ…as he alone taught us.

I think you have just described Brexit and the Trump election in a nut shell, winding up the masses, yep! bang on the money.

Gonnagle.

[NicholasMarks]

He hasn't been anyone else.

Floo:  Square sausages are much more credible than your 'science', NM!


You are not a lorne voice in your opinion.

Nicholas, I have a problem with the idea that we (or some of us) will be given overseer-type positions in the next life.  Please explain where you got that from.  Thanks.

Jesus tells is in Revelation and in other places Brownie...Those that overcome I will give a crown of life.

THE ETERNAL PROMISE FOR THOSE WHO OVERCOME – CROWNS & REWARDS

(Eternity: Revelation 21, 22:1 – 7)
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him (/she) who overcomes I will give to eat of the Tree of Life, (eternal life) which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Rev 2:7
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death (Lake of Fire – Rev 20:14). Rev 2:11

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give to him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knows except he who receives it. Rev 2:17

And he who overcomes and keeps My works to the end, to him I will give power over the nations. And he will rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of a potter they will be broken to pieces, even as I received from My Father. And I will give him the Morning Star. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. Rev 2:26 – 29

The one who overcomes, this one will be clothed in white clothing. And I will not blot out his name out of the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. He, who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. Rev 3: 5 -6
 
Him who overcomes I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will go out no more. And I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of Heaven from My God, and My new name. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. Rev 3:12 – 13

To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame and have sat down with My Father in His throne. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. Rev 3:21 – 22

CROWNS AND REWARDS

A Crown of Life ~ for those who endure (overcome) temptation & TRIALS and love the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jam 1:12 … Blessed is the man who endures temptation (also adversity in Greek), because having been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.

Rev 2:10 … Do not at all fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the Devil will cast some of you into prison, so that you may be tried. And you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful to death, and I will give you the crown of life.
An Incorruptible Crown ~ for those who are temperate in all things.

1 Cor 9:25 … And everyone who strives for the mastery is temperate in all things. Then those truly that they may receive a corruptible crown, but we an incorruptible (crown).
A Crown of Rejoicing ~ for those winning souls.

1 Thes 2:19, 20 … For what is our hope or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are you not even to be in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at His coming? For you are our glory and joy.
A Crown of Righteousness ~ for all those who love His appearing.

2 Tim 4:8 … Now there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, shall give me at that Day; and not to me only, but also to all those who love His appearing.
A Never-Fading Crown of Glory ~ for those who willingly feed the flock of God allotted to them by God.

1 Pet 5:2-4 … Feed the flock of God among you, taking the oversight, not by compulsion, but willingly; nor for base gain, but readily; nor as lording it over did those allot you by God, but becoming examples to the flock. And when the Chief Shepherd shall appear, you shall receive a never-fading crown of glory.

If the meek will inherit the Earth then it is here on planet Earth where these supervisors in righteousness will live, in the flesh...that is the power of everlasting life...they will never die again...after God's Final Judgement.

[NicholasMarks]

nick

where the flying fffff fairies do yo get this stuff from?
its great for a laugh mate , but let's all acknowledge that eh? even you.

then you can carry on .......... off you go

That's a simple one Walter...History...The Holy Bible...Experience...Observation...and Calculation all supports what I say.

[Brownie]

In other words, Nicholas, we will be rewarded and in eternal bliss but those who do make it will all be the same, presumably.  There won't be a hierarchy in Paradise.

[Sassy]

You keep saying that. Why?

Well, is that it... I could call you a gentile which is the name for anyone not a Jew.
But Sebastian, you are an atheist. You do not believe in a deity/deities.

[Sebastian Toe]

Well, is that it... I could call you a gentile which is the name for anyone not a Jew.
But Sebastian, you are an atheist. You do not believe in a deity/deities.

Who asserts that, you?

[NicholasMarks]

In other words, Nicholas, we will be rewarded and in eternal bliss but those who do make it will all be the same, presumably.  There won't be a hierarchy in Paradise.

Heaven, here on planet Earth, will be like Paradise. It will be the result of 2000 years waiting to reach a time when we can understand Jesus' righteous code better, and how it can lead us to everlasting life, just as Jesus said it will. A few will indeed go to Heaven because of their righteous stance during their lives but the vast majority will have to live here with the science that will deliver what Jesus has promised the faithful...repair, resurrection, and everlasting life, in a world filled with peace and tranquillity but the Great Tribulations will serve as a refinement tool for those who will be saved by resurrection, because these tribulations will be so severe that if Almighty God didn't act to prevent its full force from striking everyone, all life would be lost...It's all in the Holy Bible.

Hence...we will have a world full of the saved people who Jesus has sanctified because they listened to him accurately. They will need guidance and help to settle down after the great tribulations and the science delivering this will be served by those who are well trained in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. This excludes many because the science is very complicated but the health delivered by innocence and good order will be the reward for the majority, whilst the administration of it all will fall on those who have access to Almighty God's and Jesus Christ's new temple, a new Jerusalem, and these will come and go to it as required...for evermore...that's also in the Holy Bible.

[Brownie]

I'll settle for health, innocence and good order.  It sounds like perfect peace to me, sheer bliss.

[torridon]

Unfortunately torridon...I have to stick to accuracy and truth...and that truth is saying that the Holy Bible is correct in every detail...provable by science...

Well hold it right there, I am sure there are multitudinous detail inaccuracies in the Bible, such as the geocentric astronomy with the sun and stars being created later, flatly contradicted by science, we are given a worldwide bronze age flood, flatly contradicted by science, we have contradictory genealogies for Jesus, no science even needed there.  Given that your opening assertion is so palpably inaccurate I think we can safely assume that any thinking further extrapolated from it is also going to be so hugely inaccurate as to be not worth reading.

[NicholasMarks]

Well hold it right there, I am sure there are multitudinous detail inaccuracies in the Bible, such as the geocentric astronomy with the sun and stars being created later, flatly contradicted by science, we are given a worldwide bronze age flood, flatly contradicted by science, we have contradictory genealogies for Jesus, no science even needed there.  Given that your opening assertion is so palpably inaccurate I think we can safely assume that any thinking further extrapolated from it is also going to be so hugely inaccurate as to be not worth reading.

My first rule of thumb is that the Holy Bible is 100% accurate...but...we...just, don't, yet, understand that accuracy. Modern Science is pretty accurate too...but it still only gives us best answers rather than absolute scientific truth and where science and the Holy Bible appear to contradict each other I tend to err on the side of Biblical teaching.

You see...as we have become more and more scientific we have evolved from thinking the Bible is factual because false prophets and iniquity haven't allowed the teaching of Jesus to alter from the early misconceptions which they themselves or, at least, their previous false prophets had inflicted into the teaching. As it is God's word has accompanied many scientists who have found great benefit from their faith whilst exploring difficult concepts.

But here is the greatest problem from turning our backs on righteousness, on Almighty God, on Jesus Christ and on Biblical truth...a world full of distress, which we were foretold will come...a world full of evil and deceit. Now, if you say you cannot see those lies and deceit in its terrifying reality it is because you have been fooled by those lies and deceit...but those following Biblical accuracy aren't fooled. Fortunately we have an alternative teaching which says that God's accuracy contains all scientific truth in its very foundation stones...and science is the result of some very special laws that were inflicted upon that universe at the time of creation and these laws make Almighty God, the father of Jesus Christ, the highest scientist of them all because his righteous science, saves, whilst modern science seems best suited to destruction.

 

[torridon]

My first rule of thumb is that the Holy Bible is 100% accurate...but...we...just, don't, yet, understand that accuracy. Modern Science is pretty accurate too...but it still only gives us best answers rather than absolute scientific truth and where science and the Holy Bible appear to contradict each other I tend to err on the side of Biblical teaching.

Clearly that is where you are going wrong then.  If you can get get over this Bible being some sort of magic inerrant text, then you might start to make progress

[NicholasMarks]

Clearly that is where you are going wrong then.  If you can get get over this Bible being some sort of magic inerrant text, then you might start to make progress

When you show me how to tap into that invisible, living energy, that's all around us and simply waiting in the wings to support us genetically, and spiritually, without using meekness, righteousness, and the sincere worship of Jesus Christ and his father, Almighty God...I still wouldn't be interested because you didn't die a terrible death just to reach through all that evil fog to show me you believe implicitly in what your loving father tells you, which includes the indestructible electric/spiritual nature of the universe.