The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[floo]

Even that is questionable...because some will go to Heaven. Only a few...but those who have met the highest criteria set by Jesus Christ will indeed go to Heaven. This would mean that they fit in well with others who follow the same universal code of righteousness...and I don't even suggest I come close.

However...Heaven on Earth the home for all those who now value righteousness and meekness. These will inherit paradise  Earth..or didn't you know that??

Where is your evidence to support your assertions? The Bible is NOT evidence, it is just a very human construct, much of which is the product of very vivid  imaginations!

[Walter]

Even that is questionable...because some will go to Heaven. Only a few...but those who have met the highest criteria set by Jesus Christ will indeed go to Heaven. This would mean that they fit in well with others who follow the same universal code of righteousness...and I don't even suggest I come close.

However...Heaven on Earth the home for all those who now value righteousness and meekness. These will inherit paradise  Earth..or didn't you know that??

from what I read ,Nick you are definitely heaven bound.

[Walter]

Where is your evidence to support your assertions? The Bible is NOT evidence, it is just a very human construct, much of which is the product of very vivid  imaginations!

there's no point Floo, just humour him.

[NicholasMarks]

Where is your evidence to support your assertions? The Bible is NOT evidence, it is just a very human construct, much of which is the product of very vivid  imaginations!

If you were listening to points made...not just my points but points made by various Bible Students Floo...you would know that wrapped up in Biblical teaching is a righteous code of behaviour which can lift us out of the oppression that the mechanics of man build up around us all and that this is like a breath of fresh air blowing around the dementia forming gills of our brains. Its not long before we realise that Jesus is teaching us something very special and underlines his special teaching with the word 'truth'.

Now...truth in all the matters Jesus tells us about means that he is talking about a science because scientific truth underpins everything...so Jesus is a scientist of the highest order.

Now, just as the Wright brothers calculated that they could make an aeroplane work...Jesus knew that resurrection would scientifically work and he too put it to the test and through the teaching of the Gospels we are witnesses of that fact, and, really, when the choice boils down between evil or righteousness, which it does, often, for many, the best choice is righteousness because oppression doesn't need a science to support it, but righteousness does...and faith is key to that support and that science.

[ippy]

Yes...except, of course, where parables are used. The entire Holy Bible is a science...The Science of Righteousness...written by an authority that is far more advanced than you are I or in fact any who have ever lived here...other than those guided by righteousness who have seen sense above their intellect and are following the science that will have the last word.

I completely understand your post Nick now can you tell me in the simplest of terms, can the bible be used as definitive evidence that can be substantiated to prove the things in the bible, such as the magical, mystical and superstition based stories it contains are in fact a part of reality?

In short without detracting from the above, can the bible be used to prove the things contained within the bible?

Assuming you're a rational being I would find a logical rational answer to this question interesting and I wouldn't find a sermon even a little bit interesting. 

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

I completely understand your post Nick now can you tell me in the simplest of terms, can the bible be used as definitive evidence that can be substantiated to prove the things in the bible, such as the magical, mystical and superstition based stories it contains are in fact a part of reality?

In short without detracting from the above, can the bible be used to prove the things contained within the bible?

Assuming you're a rational being I would find a logical rational answer to this question interesting and I wouldn't find a sermon even a little bit interesting. 

ippy

Yes...but a 10000 year history is a tall order when compressed into one sentence. You see the foolishness of your request...however...I will do my best.

Jesus Christ said...and I quote...I am the way, the truth and the life. This is a scientific statement stating that his science is the path...built upon scientific truth...that justifies every word spoken in the Holy Bible...a truth that introduces us to the science of everything...I science which justifies its first law of being the product of a wonderful, invisible, superabundant, dynamic energy that gives birth to the way, the truth and the life of Jesus Christ.

Now...two sentences I know...but if we believe in his truth we can believe in his forthcoming Judgement and there is no harm in trying to improve our universal cred.

 

[Walter]

Nick
that was not quite as amusing as previous posts. I'm a bit disappointed .

[Walter]

I'm going ro make a suggestion to you Walter and Floo...maybe I already have...and am working from the knowledge gleaned

Keep reading them and then re-read . You have used some scientific terms in some of your posts however you have no idea what they mean .

carry on .........

[NicholasMarks]

Keep reading them and then re-read . You have used some scientific terms in some of your posts however you have no idea what they mean .

carry on .........

There's a limit to any ones studies...especially when there are constant errors in them. For example...We have to accept that all the energy in the universe sprang from a dot no bigger than a pimple on a fleas bottom. Or, all the electric forces working away within a living cell has no bearing on the wonderful electric behaviour exposed by replication, or that gravity is somewhat mystical because they ignore the only possible explanation that it is an imploding force of the type that gives the higgs-bosun its imploding properties as well...or that the sun doesn't have a power behind its hydrogen fusion power which must be the birth-force behind it all.

Put it all together and compare it with Biblical teaching and you have a scientific authority over it all, and then you can rest knowing that Jesus Christ has all avenues sussed and righteousness, which is just exploring honesty and truth in any set of circumstances, will do the rest.

[floo]

If you were listening to points made...not just my points but points made by various Bible Students Floo...you would know that wrapped up in Biblical teaching is a righteous code of behaviour which can lift us out of the oppression that the mechanics of man build up around us all and that this is like a breath of fresh air blowing around the dementia forming gills of our brains. Its not long before we realise that Jesus is teaching us something very special and underlines his special teaching with the word 'truth'.

Now...truth in all the matters Jesus tells us about means that he is talking about a science because scientific truth underpins everything...so Jesus is a scientist of the highest order.

Now, just as the Wright brothers calculated that they could make an aeroplane work...Jesus knew that resurrection would scientifically work and he too put it to the test and through the teaching of the Gospels we are witnesses of that fact, and, really, when the choice boils down between evil or righteousness, which it does, often, for many, the best choice is righteousness because oppression doesn't need a science to support it, but righteousness does...and faith is key to that support and that science.

Which Bible students have ever described the Bible as a work of science? How do you know what is attributed to Jesus was actually said and done by him? I bet science was the last thing he considered when he was alive, it was a concept with which he would not have been familiar.

Besides all that, Jesus comes across as very human and prone to faults and frailties like the rest of us. Maybe he didn't start strutting his stuff until he was 30 because his parents had grounded him after his foolish behaviour at the age of 12!

[Walter]

There's a limit to any ones studies...especially when there are constant errors in them. For example...We have to accept that all the energy in the universe sprang from a dot no bigger than a pimple on a fleas bottom. Or, all the electric forces working away within a living cell has no bearing on the wonderful electric behaviour exposed by replication, or that gravity is somewhat mystical because they ignore the only possible explanation that it is an imploding force of the type that gives the higgs-bosun its imploding properties as well...or that the sun doesn't have a power behind its hydrogen fusion power which must be the birth-force behind it all.

Put it all together and compare it with Biblical teaching and you have a scientific authority over it all, and then you can rest knowing that Jesus Christ has all avenues sussed and righteousness, which is just exploring honesty and truth in any set of circumstances, will do the rest.

Whatever

oh and by the way its 'boson' not bosun ,that's something to do with a bloke on a boat

[NicholasMarks]

Whatever

oh and by the way its 'boson' not bosun ,that's something to do with a bloke on a boat

Well...you knew what I meant Walter...but the actual  scientific points made was, well, errr, totally ignored...even though the Holy Bible supports it whole heatedly and explains vividly that our salvation depends upon us grasping righteousness and living by its scientific standards. If I were you Walter, I would begin looking out for the signs in the heavens emphasised by the Holy Bible and which appear to be giving this planet a bumpy ride as we speak.

Still, perhaps you prefer a future dictated by forces over which your voice will be insignificant....rough riding a rogue planet for ever more.

[NicholasMarks]

Which Bible students have ever described the Bible as a work of science? How do you know what is attributed to Jesus was actually said and done by him? I bet science was the last thing he considered when he was alive, it was a concept with which he would not have been familiar.

Besides all that, Jesus comes across as very human and prone to faults and frailties like the rest of us. Maybe he didn't start strutting his stuff until he was 30 because his parents had grounded him after his foolish behaviour at the age of 12!

Famous words by Jesus Christ...I am not of this world...if I had been legions would come to my help.

Interpretation...Heaven is not of this world either...It is many light-years away...and to reach us Almighty God employed many resources which, except for the faithful, he might just as well kept to himself and just let this planet suffer another violent natural death...as it is, he has a plan and we know he is sincere because part of that plan was Jesus Christ's brief, and torturous stop-over here.

[floo]

Famous words by Jesus Christ...I am not of this world...if I had been legions would come to my help.

Interpretation...Heaven is not of this world either...It is many light-years away...and to reach us Almighty God employed many resources which, except for the faithful, he might just as well kept to himself and just let this planet suffer another violent natural death...as it is, he has a plan and we know he is sincere because part of that plan was Jesus Christ's brief, and torturous stop-over here.

Even if the guy actually said what you have quoted, it doesn't mean it had anymore credence than the , 'accurate scientific teaching', you attribute to Jesus! 

[Walter]

Well...you knew what I meant Walter...but the actual  scientific points made was, well, errr, totally ignored...even though the Holy Bible supports it whole heatedly and explains vividly that our salvation depends upon us grasping righteousness and living by its scientific standards. If I were you Walter, I would begin looking out for the signs in the heavens emphasised by the Holy Bible and which appear to be giving this planet a bumpy ride as we speak.

Still, perhaps you prefer a future dictated by forces over which your voice will be insignificant....rough riding a rogue planet for ever more.

I ignored the 'scientific points' as you call them because your understanding of them is not accurate.

[NicholasMarks]

I ignored the 'scientific points' as you call them because your understanding of them is not accurate.

That's ok Walter...its  a bit like boson and bosun... the meaning is there and I am confident that they are correct because science says it is. You and Floo are ducking and diving because you have satisfied yourselves that you are right when the truth is you are wrong.

I could go on and on but your minds are closed. Jesus taught us how to open our minds even in the face of media brain-washing and full-force propaganda and it soon becomes apparent that it is brain-washing and manipulation which are  at the route of ill-health...but you need righteous instruction to grasp the more difficult points...so its wise to just go back to your own reasoning which will sedate the blow that we are all forewarned will hit us all...and I  will continue to try and save those who can be reacquainted with righteousness.

[floo]

NM you cannot state we are wrong, because you have never provided any evidence that you are right!

[Walter]

not bad that one Nick, made me smile.

[NicholasMarks]

NM you cannot state we are wrong, because you have never provided any evidence that you are right!

The evidence is all around you Floo...The invisible things of God are seen by those things that are visible.

The Holy Bible, and now 4000 years later, modern science tell us about a superabundant, invisible, almost undetectable force that is quite obviously the birth-force behind the 'science of everything'. I have taken the bull by the horns and...a bit like plasticine, have moulded it into atoms, extruded it into stars and galaxies, made it compliant with all chemistry and given it the explosive power of nuclear force...not by using the Hadron Collider but by using the Holy Bible, and I have to tell you and Walter that contained within that Biblical work is a knowledge that science will not be able to ignore for much longer, because what built all the stars in the universe is the same force that builds all genetic malfunctions, and Jesus Christ told us this and showed us how we can rectify these faults in a slow, caring and wonderful way...I'm just privileged to be able to overpower the nonsense which accompanies all the deliberate confusion and self-seeking which also accompanies many of the efforts riddled with pretence which enables some to cash in on our deepest fears.

[Walter]

WOW, Nick, sounds like you're applying for the job of messiah , good luck with that.
I think you will find quite a lot of resistance to you preachings though.
Have you had your tea yet Nick, take a break and reorganise your thoughts before your next post eh?

[floo]

The evidence is all around you Floo...The invisible things of God are seen by those things that are visible.

The Holy Bible, and now 4000 years later, modern science tell us about a superabundant, invisible, almost undetectable force that is quite obviously the birth-force behind the 'science of everything'. I have taken the bull by the horns and...a bit like plasticine, have moulded it into atoms, extruded it into stars and galaxies, made it compliant with all chemistry and given it the explosive power of nuclear force...not by using the Hadron Collider but by using the Holy Bible, and I have to tell you and Walter that contained within that Biblical work is a knowledge that science will not be able to ignore for much longer, because what built all the stars in the universe is the same force that builds all genetic malfunctions, and Jesus Christ told us this and showed us how we can rectify these faults in a slow, caring and wonderful way...I'm just privileged to be able to overpower the nonsense which accompanies all the deliberate confusion and self-seeking which also accompanies many of the efforts riddled with pretence which enables some to cash in on our deepest fears.

NM you aren't convincing anyone, where religion is concerned.

There are other boards on this forum why don't you post on some none religious topics, it would interesting to know your views on Brexit, Trump and other political matters.

[Brownie]

Nick can speak for himself but I have a feeling that his religious views would influence opinions on politics, ethics, most subjects;  that is true for other posters who do not see their faith in isolation to everything else, probaby including me, never really thought about it in detail.  The opposite is the same.  No criticism here, it's just the way it is.

[floo]

Best to let NM speak for himself on the subject, if he wishes to!

[NicholasMarks]

NM you aren't convincing anyone, where religion is concerned.

There are other boards on this forum why don't you post on some none religious topics, it would interesting to know your views on Brexit, Trump and other political matters.

It's not a question of believing me Floo...its a question of believing Jesus Christ. He taught us about our spiritual nature which, by way of sin, we cut ourselves off from, so that instead of resurrection we finish up locked in the pit that Jesus also went to, in death, and cut the chains of life and death for those that believed in him enough to follow him, accurately, allowing us to be resurrected as well.

So, ok, we are miserable sinners and when we have finished with our flesh it is no longer fit for purpose but that doesn't prevent us from being spiritually reborn to a new vessel because that is what the Holy Bible tells us through the parable about the wine merchant who always puts his new wine in new vessels.

Now, personally, I don't see anything more important than working towards the spiritual strength required to bring God's word/Jesus' accurate teaching, alive in our daily lives...especially when knowing that the alternative will have a direct comparison with the plight of the Jews during their Holocaust...a holocaust that we have had prior warning about and which will culminate and end by the passing of a fiery lake of sulphur which will have devastating effects on those with no righteous stamina...including those who simply do not believe...Revelation 21:8

It's only by following Jesus accurately that we can bring ourselves to the strength required to withstand the forewarned natural disaster, and following Jesus is achieved by quietly and calmly allowing his accurate word to guide our thinking and behaviour, thereby tuning ourselves and aligning ourselves in the righteous way that enables us to attach ourselves to God's living waters...a power that has kept Jesus Christ's name alive for 2000 years and  is just as accurate today as it will be for ever more.

       

[floo]

NM as I have said before I think Jesus, who was a 'miserable sinner' like the rest of us, is quoted as saying some sensible things, but others with which I would take issue.  I am far from perfect, but try to be good enough and that is all that counts as far as I am concerned.