The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[Walter]

NM as I have said before I think Jesus, who was a 'miserable sinner' like the rest of us, is quoted as saying some sensible things, but others with which I would take issue.  I am far from perfect, but try to be good enough and that is all that counts as far as I am concerned.

Floo I would like to think you were very naughty on occasion though

[floo]

Floo I would like to think you were very naughty on occasion though

I have never done anything illegal, got drunk or taken drugs, but throughout my life I have done the craziest of things, which could have resulted in my demise. I can only suppose if god does exist it isn't keen to have the pleasure of my company too soon!

[ippy]

Yes...but a 10000 year history is a tall order when compressed into one sentence. You see the foolishness of your request...however...I will do my best.

Jesus Christ said...and I quote...I am the way, the truth and the life. This is a scientific statement stating that his science is the path...built upon scientific truth...that justifies every word spoken in the Holy Bible...a truth that introduces us to the science of everything...I science which justifies its first law of being the product of a wonderful, invisible, superabundant, dynamic energy that gives birth to the way, the truth and the life of Jesus Christ.

Now...two sentences I know...but if we believe in his truth we can believe in his forthcoming Judgement and there is no harm in trying to improve our universal cred.

It'd be even more interesting Nick if you gave a straight answer when anyone asks you a question, the powers that be, that exist inside your head, wouldn't be that impressed by your roundabout nonsense answers.

Have you ever given a straight answer to any of the many questions posters have asked of you Nick? if you have I've not seen one,

ippy   

[NicholasMarks]

NM as I have said before I think Jesus, who was a 'miserable sinner' like the rest of us, is quoted as saying some sensible things, but others with which I would take issue.  I am far from perfect, but try to be good enough and that is all that counts as far as I am concerned.

Your first error Floo is in thinking that Jesus was a sinner. Every serious Bible student will tell you that he was without sin and this is why we can hold him as a role model when reaching out for righteousness. He was God's word made flesh and God's word is, as you might expect the key, fundamental principles behind all existence.

Almighty God and Jesus put life first. But their teaching says that it is our spiritual existence which is the primary force in life. Just as the higgs is the primary force of the atom and that gravity is the primary force holding mass together. They are all electric/spiritual phenomenon but it is becoming clear to me that you are all unable to understand how it all fits together and so I wont bother. Suffice it to say that Jesus was born on planet Earth at the bequest of Almighty God to teach us laws that hinge on the true nature of this universe and following those laws an imperative to our salvation.This meant that Jesus was born perfect in every detail and was without sin, consequently, when we reach out and follow him accurately we are following perfection that can teach us a thing or two about how to gain the finest results from his fathers spiritual universe and facing up to evil is one of those tips...because rebirth is firmly stamped upon Jesus' reasoning.

If everything is the result of indestructible, spiritual laws, surely even you Floo can see that by harnessing that force via some special righteous laws makes you spiritually indestructible as well...even after death...and if strong enough...a controlled rebirth is available to you.

 

[NicholasMarks]

It'd be even more interesting Nick if you gave a straight answer when anyone asks yo a question, the powers that be, that exist inside your head, wouldn't be that impressed by your roundabout nonsense answers.

Have you ever given a straight answer to any of the many questions posters have asked of you Nick? if you have I've not seen one,

ippy

It's a sad reflection on our Biblical depth of knowledge that people think that honest teaching from that Holy source is somehow not a straight response but I won't deviate from that source...I am not allowed to by honest righteous teaching.

If you read your Holy Bible and see it that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are trying to pull everybody into a pattern of health, happiness, repair, resurrection and everlasting life then you would find my responses more straightforward...but if your life is splattered with X factor logic or Jungle nonsense and all the other hysterical mechanics which are deliberately geared to hysterically grab your minds and as a consequence grab your spiritual health away from you then I accept that what I say might appear, errr...somewhat different.

[floo]

Your first error Floo is in thinking that Jesus was a sinner. Every serious Bible student will tell you that he was without sin and this is why we can hold him as a role model when reaching out for righteousness. He was God's word made flesh and God's word is, as you might expect the key, fundamental principles behind all existence.

Almighty God and Jesus put life first. But their teaching says that it is our spiritual existence which is the primary force in life. Just as the higgs is the primary force of the atom and that gravity is the primary force holding mass together. They are all electric/spiritual phenomenon but it is becoming clear to me that you are all unable to understand how it all fits together and so I wont bother. Suffice it to say that Jesus was born on planet Earth at the bequest of Almighty God to teach us laws that hinge on the true nature of this universe and following those laws an imperative to our salvation.This meant that Jesus was born perfect in every detail and was without sin, consequently, when we reach out and follow him accurately we are following perfection that can teach us a thing or two about how to gain the finest results from his fathers spiritual universe and facing up to evil is one of those tips...because rebirth is firmly stamped upon Jesus' reasoning.

If everything is the result of indestructible, spiritual laws, surely even you Floo can see that by harnessing that force via some special righteous laws makes you spiritually indestructible as well...even after death...and if strong enough...a controlled rebirth is available to you.

Every serious Bible student will NOT tell you Jesus did no wrong!  My husband studied theology for his first degree and now he is an atheist!

Of course Jesus did wrong if the gospel accounts were correct! As a kid of 12 he neglected to tell his parents where he was off to  when he went to the Temple. Forcing them to retrace their step and considerable worry. If had been my lad he would have had his bottom wallop and been grounded. But maybe they did punish him! Jesus had a temper and stupidly cursed the fig tree. He trashed the Temple and should have been done for vandalism. He frightened the pigs over the cliff when playing with the exorcism nonsense. Animal cruelty, and there is no suggestion he compensated the farmer for their loss. Hardly the actions of a perfect person!

[Brownie]

You always come out with the same examples, floo, which must be read in context.  They just show that Jesus was fully human.

Not much for 33 years, really!  Would that my misdemeanours by that age were so few, yours too probably.

[floo]

You always come out with the same examples, floo, which must be read in context.  They just show that Jesus was fully human.

Not much for 33 years, really!  Would that my misdemeanours by that age were so few, yours too probably.

Those were the ones listed, and certainly didn't show him up in a good light at all. I wonder what else he got up to that wasn't creditable, probably the same as the rest of us as he was all human, no sort of god.

[NicholasMarks]

Every serious Bible student will NOT tell you Jesus did no wrong!  My husband studied theology for his first degree and now he is an atheist!

Of course Jesus did wrong if the gospel accounts were correct! As a kid of 12 he neglected to tell his parents where he was off to  when he went to the Temple. Forcing them to retrace their step and considerable worry. If had been my lad he would have had his bottom wallop and been grounded. But maybe they did punish him! Jesus had a temper and stupidly cursed the fig tree. He trashed the Temple and should have been done for vandalism. He frightened the pigs over the cliff when playing with the exorcism nonsense. Animal cruelty, and there is no suggestion he compensated the farmer for their loss. Hardly the actions of a perfect person!

None of this was unrighteous Floo. A herd of evil spirits shouldn't have been hiding in pigs and going over the cliff was as humane as anything those pigs would likely suffer at the hands of their slaughterers...and the farmers would certainly be compensated, as you will be, if you are able to listen to the word of Almighty God as represented by the accurate teaching of Jesus.

Unlike yourself Floo, Mary and Joseph knew that Jesus was special and would be taken away from them...and the incident in the temple was like a breaking of parental bond over him and telling his Earthly parents  not to expect Jesus to be tied to their strings in the future...in, I might add, a controlled and caring way.

The temple was the house of Almighty God and not the place for profiteering...and as we should all know...if you give these people an inch they will take the place over via corruption and bribes. So Jesus was right to be annoyed.

You see, righteousness isn't Floo's way of thinking, its Almighty God's way of reasoning, and we don't come close until we realise that righteousness is all about upbuilding a pure, honest, indestructible spirit, from God's living waters, which we otherwise waste via our sins and thereby put a serious extra load on our genetic health...remembering, as proof, that by sin death came into the world.

[floo]

NM, you might as well save your breath to cool your porridge, never in a million years will I see it your way.

[NicholasMarks]

NM, you might as well save your breath to cool your porridge, never in a million years will I see it your way.

That is an appropriate expression...Floo...but don't ask me to explain it because it is better that you are left in your contented error...until you can no longer deny it to yourself.

Eternal life is the reward of following Jesus Christ accurately but, unfortunately...your spirit will not have access to it unless you pay heed to that accuracy...not my accuracy but, exclusively...Jesus Christ's accuracy.

[floo]

That is an appropriate expression...Floo...but don't ask me to explain it because it is better that you are left in your contented error...until you can no longer deny it to yourself.

Eternal life is the reward of following Jesus Christ accurately but, unfortunately...your spirit will not have access to it unless you pay heed to that accuracy...not my accuracy but, exclusively...Jesus Christ's accuracy.

Maybe one day you might discover that the got it all wrong!

[ippy]

It's a sad reflection on our Biblical depth of knowledge that people think that honest teaching from that Holy source is somehow not a straight response but I won't deviate from that source...I am not allowed to by honest righteous teaching.

If you read your Holy Bible and see it that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are trying to pull everybody into a pattern of health, happiness, repair, resurrection and everlasting life then you would find my responses more straightforward...but if your life is splattered with X factor logic or Jungle nonsense and all the other hysterical mechanics which are deliberately geared to hysterically grab your minds and as a consequence grab your spiritual health away from you then I accept that what I say might appear, errr...somewhat different.

So the proof needed that might support the veracity of your bible, is to be found inside inside the pages of the book in question, your bible sorry Nick, that's potty?

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

So the proof needed that might support the veracity of your bible, is to be found inside inside the pages of the book in question, your bible sorry Nick, that's potty?

ippy

It's so easy to twist logic to agree with a view that you want to make ippy...and this is all you are doing.

You ignore facts like the Biblical teaching I am supporting has held millions of minds over many years which must have a scientific reasoning behind it...as does all manifestations of the gathering of many people to support any other single method of reasoning. But when you analyse all these various groups there are only two of any consequence. The first is oppression...it has been with us since the beginning of time. We only have to follow the behaviour of the playground bully to identify its worst manifestations. Using pure aggression a bully can overpower and suppress the emotions of another and before long they have total authority of many people. There are usually no principles or honesty to be maintained just sheer oppression, by a few, over the many. I make a distinct analogy between this system of bullying and the life and distress caused by the cancer cell...but unfortunately it is very complicated.

The other is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ who shows us how to tear down the false ceiling built by oppression and repair from it in a similar way the Jews repaired after the Holocaust...but with added benefits.

Now you will knock this back with a silly statement that doesn't require any thinking power what-so-ever whilst I have put a great deal of thought previously to enable me to answer your tongue in cheek question...accurately.

[Sebastian Toe]

It's so easy to twist logic to agree with a view that you want to make.
This is all you are doing Nick.

[NicholasMarks]

It's so easy to twist logic to agree with a view that you want to make.
This is all you are doing Nick.

There is a small difference though Seb. The Holy Bible and science. These are supporting what I am saying and are easy to use as a check to identify my points of truth.

Both say that the entire universe is deeply immersed within a superabundant energy. An energy that is invisible to all except through mathematical calculation. It is obvious to me that this energy is the spring-board behind all universal existence and if I can work it out Almighty God and Jesus Christ certainly can else why teach us how to use it, scientifically, to enrich all our lives with.

 

[Walter]

There is a small difference though Seb. The Holy Bible and science. These are supporting what I am saying and are easy to use as a check to identify my points of truth.

Both say that the entire universe is deeply immersed within a superabundant energy. An energy that is invisible to all except through mathematical calculation. It is obvious to me that this energy is the spring-board behind all universal existence and if I can work it out Almighty God and Jesus Christ certainly can else why teach us how to use it, scientifically, to enrich all our lives with.

a Nobel prize has your name on it Nick

[ippy]

It's so easy to twist logic to agree with a view that you want to make ippy...and this is all you are doing.

You ignore facts like the Biblical teaching I am supporting has held millions of minds over many years which must have a scientific reasoning behind it...as does all manifestations of the gathering of many people to support any other single method of reasoning. But when you analyse all these various groups there are only two of any consequence. The first is oppression...it has been with us since the beginning of time. We only have to follow the behaviour of the playground bully to identify its worst manifestations. Using pure aggression a bully can overpower and suppress the emotions of another and before long they have total authority of many people. There are usually no principles or honesty to be maintained just sheer oppression, by a few, over the many. I make a distinct analogy between this system of bullying and the life and distress caused by the cancer cell...but unfortunately it is very complicated.

The other is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ who shows us how to tear down the false ceiling built by oppression and repair from it in a similar way the Jews repaired after the Holocaust...but with added benefits.

Now you will knock this back with a silly statement that doesn't require any thinking power what-so-ever whilst I have put a great deal of thought previously to enable me to answer your tongue in cheek question...accurately.

No tongue in cheek Nick, I'll try to keep it simple for you, right, until you can establish the veracity of your beloved book especially the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of it, it, your bible, can't be used as an evidential base for promoting your belief in your bible, because you can only establish its words as your own personal belief.

Do you see Nick, although you think it's all based on the words of your god, until you can find the evidence that will take your book out and off of the fiction shelf of the library, then, and only then can you use it as any kind of evidential base for your, far to many, words.

Are you frightened of admitting there's no supporting evidence for especially the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of your book?

Straight answer to the question asked please Nick?

Just give an answer Nick, without any page filling, saying nothing waffle?

ippy

[Sebastian Toe]

There is a small difference though Seb. The Holy Bible and science. These are supporting what I am saying and are easy to use as a check to identify my points of truth.

Both say that the entire universe is deeply immersed within a superabundant energy. An energy that is invisible to all except through mathematical calculation. It is obvious to me that this energy is the spring-board behind all universal existence and if I can work it out Almighty God and Jesus Christ certainly can else why teach us how to use it, scientifically, to enrich all our lives with.

It's so easy to twist logic to agree with a view that you want to make.
This is all you are doing Nick.

[Brownie]

Nicholas, you cannot prove the Bible with the Bible.  It just doesn't convince anyone.

[floo]

Nicholas, you cannot prove the Bible with the Bible.  It just doesn't convince anyone.

Well said.

[Brownie]

I didn't say it as a put down to Nicholas, it's what most of us say, including Christians.  It's obvious that people are not going to be convinced by words from books which they do not consider to be any more important than a some others. 

[Sassy]

There is a small difference though Seb. The Holy Bible and science. These are supporting what I am saying and are easy to use as a check to identify my points of truth.

Both say that the entire universe is deeply immersed within a superabundant energy. An energy that is invisible to all except through mathematical calculation. It is obvious to me that this energy is the spring-board behind all universal existence and if I can work it out Almighty God and Jesus Christ certainly can else why teach us how to use it, scientifically, to enrich all our lives with.

I am not sure why you bother Nick,

It is a well known fact that science requires more faith than believing in Jesus Christ.
But we both know that believing in either is a 'choice'.
I say that because if it was not a choice then all would believe or disbelieve.

However, the fact is in ourselves and of ourselves we cannot prove in our own understanding that either is truth.
With Christ it takes the personal commitment of trust and seeking Gods way to know if he is telling the truth and exists.
This we can all come to know personally if true and so truth.
But Science has no way to prove the theories hence they remain so.

You need to remember most of science takes a big leap of faith because no man can prove to himself the 'theories' are solid truths. But in Christ all things can be proved through God.

[torridon]

It is a well known fact that science requires more faith than believing in Jesus Christ.
But we both know that believing in either is a 'choice'.
I say that because if it was not a choice then all would believe or disbelieve.

That's just about as wrong as it is possible to get. I think you must be going for some sort of record.  At base, what science is, is a rejection of faith in favour of evidence and reason.

[Sebastian Toe]

I am not sure why you bother Nick,

It is a well known fact that science requires more faith than believing in Jesus Christ.

So you took the easy route then.