The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[NicholasMarks]

So, sometime between some days and several thousand years?
Too broad Nick.
Come back when you have narrowed it down.

I think you are twisting words again Seb...still...its no skin off my nose if you don't want to be saved...i have simply undertaken the task of giving you fair warning.

[torridon]

It may be a bit Janet and John torri...but it is an alternative which science can't disprove and if there is one stance that science can't disprove  there could be another way of looking at  it which is totally true because it is how Almighty God did it but it will not conflict with Genesis.

Well pretty much all your recent posts hereabouts are full of stuff that is flatly contradicted by science.  If you are aiming for entertainment value, fair enough, but for scientific accuracy, attention to detail etc, you are not even anywhere near the ballpark.

[ippy]

I don't think so, floo.  I got what he meant.

Come on Brownie, don't you start!

I've thought that you're one of the more rational riligionists, not that rationality sits very well with most religionist claims.

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

Well pretty much all your recent posts hereabouts are full of stuff that is flatly contradicted by science.  If you are aiming for entertainment value, fair enough, but for scientific accuracy, attention to detail etc, you are not even anywhere near the ballpark.

Ok...torri...I bow to your superior knowledge...but where do you think all this free energy is coming from??

If we incorporate everything science tells us and what the Holy Bible tells us and all the mysteries that science skirts over there is only one possible solution.

Now, with adherance to Biblical accuracy,  I've worked out the only possible answer but I'm ready and willing to listen to yours.

[Sebastian Toe]

I think you are twisting words again Seb...still...its no skin off my nose if you don't want to be saved...i have simply undertaken the task of giving you fair warning.

No twisting reauired Nick or are you going to deny that is your definition of "soon" or not?

[ippy]

Why don't you provide a straight answer. Prove all the theories of science are not theory but fact and show us the evidence...

You see Ippy it is all faith...

I don't believe there is anybody able to read and write that doesn't understand the full meaning of the word theory.

Read Floo's post 1206 Sass, assuming your intention is to stay on thread.

ippy

[Brownie]

Come on Brownie, don't you start!

I've thought that you're one of the more rational riligionists, not that rationality sits very well with most religionist claims.

ippy

I just make an effort to understand a post from the pov of the poster.
Don't always get it right but I try.

(No-one has ever called me "Rational" before   ,  Plenty of other adjectives.)

[NicholasMarks]

No twisting reauired Nick or are you going to deny that is your definition of "soon" or not?

Oh not again Seb...as much as I want to see you all saved I'm not going round and round in your circular arguments again. I've tried to explain that circular argument is no good for your health. If you want to know if soon means very soon look up Nibiru on YouTube. There are many reports from serious observers including Nasa who are talking about it and many who are linking all the peculiarities of this planet's behaviour to its approach. What I suggezt is you break the mould and try and read the Gospels so you know what to expect and what precautions to take...but I've told you all this before.

[ippy]

Yes I do ippy...of course you will find it impossible to accept but you aren't bothering to read your Holy Bible...so how can you expect to understand things of a delicate and technical nature concerning the authority that will determine your Judgement.??

We have the Holy Bible which tells us that Jesus is the witness of Almighty God and Almighty God bears witness to Jesus...which means that Jesus taught us how Almighty God was ordained into his indestructible status...only Almighty God did it in Heaven whilst Jesus repeated it on planet Earth. They both took an indestructible energy and refined it into a force that can overpower all evil. Now, if the result of the first event is Almighty God, the spiritual owner of all knowledge and the personification of all that energy that created the universe...then the second person to achieve that high status is certainly the son of the first.

All those from Heaven honour and respect this status because it gave them everlasting life as well...and so will we when we have mastered the same righteous techniques...but we have got to believe what we are taught first, and what we are taught is that there is a massive upheaval due to cause havoc here on planet Earth and unless we have taken appropriate righteous action, beforehand, we haven't a hope or a prayer...but the Judgement will be on the side of righteousness.

My advice to everyone who is able, is to follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and claim a place aboard that new heavens and a new Earth...and quickly.

I wouldn't reject any testable evidence Nick, it's you that won't or can't come up with any verifiable evidence, I assume you are aware, anything not testable is not evidence; things like assertions where they're not testable, if they were testable they would no longer be assertions.     

If you haven't already done so read Floo's post 1026 Nick, her post might help you to understand one of the things I've been trying, unsuccessfully so far, to get over to you.

ippy

[ippy]

I just make an effort to understand a post from the pov of the poster.
Don't always get it right but I try.

(No-one has ever called me "Rational" before   ,  Plenty of other adjectives.)

More rational.

ippy

[Brownie]

Evening Mr Marks.
To be ready at all times and then not think about it, is my motto.

For anyone who is interested:

Here is an article about Nibiru , I hasten to say it is only one of many and may not be the best one :
http://planetxnews.com/2016/06/16/overwhelming-evidence-2017-arrival-planet-x-nibiru/

This from the Independent (I haven't read this, will go back and do so forthwith):
http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/nibiru
I've now had a look and there isn't much available to anyone who isn't an Independent subscriber which I suppose is fair enough.

This Express article is better:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/702753/BLOOD-MOON-doomsday-planet-Nibiru-coming-captured-camera

& this is wiki on the subject:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm

[NicholasMarks]

I wouldn't reject any testable evidence Nick, it's you that won't or can't come up with any verifiable evidence, I assume you are aware, anything not testable is not evidence; things like assertions where they're not testable, if they were testable they would no longer be assertions.     

If you haven't already done so read Floo's post 1026 Nick, her post might help you to understand one of the things I've been trying, unsuccessfully so far, to get over to you.

ippy

What you are saying to me ippy is that whilst you refuse to read the Holy Bible and refuse to take the scientific reasoning I have proposed on board...even though I claim to have made them on top of the equations and calculations of modern science...you are such an expert yourself that you can discredit the lot.

Doesn't hold water ippy and certainly not the living water taught about in the Holy Bible which only the foolish would discredit because it is said to be so superabundant that (100/7 -) 13 more universes of the same mass as ours could be made from it. And it is certainly an elixir that the medical proffession, whilst struggling with enormous health problems, have given no thought to what so ever.

Jesus says it can reach thirsts that no other quencher of thirst can...and I've even worked out how...and you know exactly who I attribute that knowledge to...don't you??

[NicholasMarks]

Evening Mr Marks.
To be ready at all times and then not think about it, is my motto.

For anyone who is interested:

Here is an article about Nibiru , I hasten to say it is only one of many and may not be the best one :
http://planetxnews.com/2016/06/16/overwhelming-evidence-2017-arrival-planet-x-nibiru/

This from the Independent (I haven't read this, will go back and do so forthwith):
http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/nibiru
I've now had a look and there isn't much available to anyone who isn't an Independent subscriber which I suppose is fair enough.

This Express article is better:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/702753/BLOOD-MOON-doomsday-planet-Nibiru-coming-captured-camera

& this is wiki on the subject:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm

Your first is an advert to encourage the sale of a book...which makes me think it hasn't much merit. The others are saying that planet x is a hoax...but the Holy Bible clearly doesn't think so though it isn't specific as to when it will arrive. I have now seen a number of reports about it which are convincing and one peculiar sky event at sunset I witnessed with my own eyes plus the fact that many reports identify the ISS cuts its feed at certain times when there is interesting things to be seen, as described here, become visible. It is the skies that will reveal these truths and our own eyes but we should be ready anyway and righteousness is a good way of structuring our lives even if there were no benefits...so nothing lost if we follow Jesus accurately.

Here's a link I watched yesterday...

BREAKING NASA and MEDIA Admits NIBIRU must COME! C N N LIVE EVIDENCE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5DvNJZR_c8

[Brownie]

Thanks for that, Nicholas.

[ippy]

What you are saying to me ippy is that whilst you refuse to read the Holy Bible and refuse to take the scientific reasoning I have proposed on board...even though I claim to have made them on top of the equations and calculations of modern science...you are such an expert yourself that you can discredit the lot.

Doesn't hold water ippy and certainly not the living water taught about in the Holy Bible which only the foolish would discredit because it is said to be so superabundant that (100/7 -) 13 more universes of the same mass as ours could be made from it. And it is certainly an elixir that the medical proffession, whilst struggling with enormous health problems, have given no thought to what so ever.

Jesus says it can reach thirsts that no other quencher of thirst can...and I've even worked out how...and you know exactly who I attribute that knowledge to...don't you??

Whether I read the bible or not doesn't figure in this discourse I'm having with you Nick, you're promoting this bible book of yours as though it were all true facts, if that's the case where's your verifiable evidence that might back up your book as though it were in fact completely true evidenced piece of work.

So where is this evidence based verifiable, irrefutable, solid evidence you say you have Nick?

Hope, like you Nick, says he has something similar in the way of evidence and we've never seen that evidence either Nick, so  you're not entirely on your own.

Without evidence Nick you can only declare that you believe all of this Jesus and god stuff, which is fine, but because you can't prove a word of it all you consistently keep doing is asserting knowledge of things you can't possibly know.

As for using the bible to prove the bible is a true book full of facts, that's beyond potty.

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

Whether I read the bible or not doesn't figure in this discourse I'm having with you Nick, you're promoting this bible book of yours as though it were all true facts, if that's the case where's your verifiable evidence that might back up your book as though it were in fact completely true evidenced piece of work.

So where is this evidence based verifiable, irrefutable, solid evidence you say you have Nick?

Hope, like you Nick, says he has something similar in the way of evidence and we've never seen that evidence either Nick, so  you're not entirely on your own.

Without evidence Nick you can only declare that you believe all of this Jesus and god stuff, which is fine, but because you can't prove a word of it all you consistently keep doing is asserting knowledge of things you can't possibly know.

As for using the bible to prove the bible is a true book full of facts, that's beyond potty.

ippy

Many millions disagree with you ippy...including tyrants who took over Biblical teaching so that they could sway their masses their way. But I'm going over all their heads...I am saying that the invisible, superabundant, indestructible energy of which is calculated to exist by modern science has its first rendition in the Holy Bible over 4000 years ago, and that besides being the creative force behind stars, atoms and galaxies as depicted in the Holy Bible also unifies all science including that elusive gravity which science is struggling with...If correct, not even you will be able to deny the existence of Almighty God and his much loved son Jesus Christ ippy because their entire teaching revolves around this, their Living Water...the question to concern you though is this...Will you be able to attach yourself to it and be judged acceptable to a righteous, universal, science...in time??

[Walter]

Many millions disagree with you ippy...including tyrants who took over Biblical teaching so that they could sway their masses their way. But I'm going over all their heads...I am saying that the invisible, superabundant, indestructible energy of which is calculated to exist by modern science has its first rendition in the Holy Bible over 4000 years ago, and that besides being the creative force behind stars, atoms and galaxies as depicted in the Holy Bible also unifies all science including that elusive gravity which science is struggling with...If correct, not even you will be able to deny the existence of Almighty God and his much loved son Jesus Christ ippy because their entire teaching revolves around this, their Living Water...the question to concern you though is this...Will you be able to attach yourself to it and be judged acceptable to a righteous, universal, science...in time??

you do this as a joke, don't you. Trouble is Nick, we're all sick of it now

[Brownie]

I haven't yet looked at the youtube, Walter, but I promise I will within the next 24 hours, barring accident or injury.

Having thought a lot about what you post, some of which I do understand from your point of view and a few things I've understood just for me, I wondered if you prayed for people.

There are at least two Christian people I can think of, maybe more, who post on here and cause some controversy because they are quite sure that their way is the right way.    However if a need arises and prayers requested, they are the first to pray for others without mentioning any of the things they usually talk about, and are sincerely interested and caring.

I would like to think you would do the same.

[NicholasMarks]

you do this as a joke, don't you. Trouble is Nick, we're all sick of it now

That's ok Walter...if you look at it from my perspective...I have proven to myself through  this random sample of people on this forum who profess to have some interest in these matters that the whole world would respond exactly the same. If I am right in the depth of this science then the whole world, other than those who seek righteousness by following Jesus accurately outside the framework of iniquity, will not listen to righteous teaching either, even if Jesus himself stood before them and told them.

My work is done.

I'm fearful that when the promised arrival of Wormwood and the other great tribulations strike this planet many wont know which way to turn...but at least I have reminded a few that providing you meet God's righteous measure it will be wise to cling to the righteousness and the hope expressed through the Gospels.

You will find that in times of severe trauma many others will want to listen to Jesus'  word intently and you lot can carry the banner now if you so wish.

[Brownie]

I've now listened to about half of the youtube that you posted, Nicholas, and will continue it tomorrow.
So far I am not convinced though I do agree that we have to more alert and not be brainwashed by the media.

Doing some further research, I found the following article which at first I found engrossing and then was totally gobsmacked by the idea of Barack Obama being the Antichrist!   That is too ridiculous for words, however if we set that aside, the article is interesting in that it has insight into the mindset of some people.

http://www.tribulation-now.org/2014/01/31/nibiru-the-koran-the-vatican-obama/

[Sebastian Toe]

My work is done.

At last!

Is that a promise?

[torridon]

Ok...torri...I bow to your superior knowledge...but where do you think all this free energy is coming from??

I'm not sure there is a simple enough answer to that.  On the other hand I don't think saying it comes from a god really answers it either as that fails to address the problem of where this god came from.  That is a strategy of evasion over engagement. And imputing that energy is god is just causing gross confusion; we already have a word for energy - 'energy', and it is a primal thing that doesn't know things or have complex properties like desires and intentions as are ascribed to gods, generally.

[Walter]

Nick I've just watched the YouTube link you provided and have concluded this. Moderator: content removed.

[Walter]

Nick I've just watched the YouTube link you provided and have concluded this. Moderator: content removed.

thanks Mod

[Brownie]

I have a feeling Nicholas won't be back for a while.  He went a few months ago, before you joined, Walter, then came back.

I'm disappointed at not having an answer to my post #1242;  I don't expect all my posts to be read or for anyone to take much notice but I did hope he might answer that one.   I suppose he still might, my 'feeling' could be wrong, hope so.