The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[Dicky Underpants]

Dicky Underpants...

Oh Dick...You do make things hard for yourself. The message from the Holy Bible is that we are learning a science through its many expressions...a spiritual science extracted and refined from the all electric nature of the universe.

In the beginning was the 'word'...this, God's word, is the scientific code behind righteousness. It starts by saying, everything is electrical...All atomic power certainly is...All gravitational power certainly is. All electromagnetic force certainly is...Every behaviour pattern of every living-cell certainly is, which ultimately means that Almighty God, himself, is the living voice for all that electric energy, plus he is the living embodiment of all that energy, as well, wherever it is found in the universe....hence the 'word' was with God, and the 'word' was God'...and here is the wonderful part...the 'word' of God is the light of the world...In other words...the 'word' of God is an all knowing science which offers every cure for every dilemma known to man...Jesus Christ is that 'word' made flesh...or...he is living a science which is of vital importance to each and everyone of us.

I could go on but a step at a time is perhaps best.

No, Nick, I am not making things hard for myself, since I am not any sort of believer. I quoted the text from Robert Grant to indicate to you the problems real Bible scholars have with translating ancient texts. It is not enough to be guided by personal fantasies.

  It starts by saying, everything is electrical.

Not sure what you mean by "It" here. Perhaps you're referring to what you call "the scientific code behind righteousness" - whatever that means. None of us here, I'm sure know what that means, and neither do you - it's just a phrase you've made up.

As for "everything is electrical" - well, as you've been told many times, everything is NOT electrical. This was an idea that was current among scientists and artists at the beginning of the 19th century (it lies behind Mary Shelley's Frankenstein). However, the creative potential you'd like to ascribe to it is belied by Maxwell's equations, and modern science has moved on since then. Such assertions have nothing to do with Einstein, Godel, Max Planck, Heisenberg, Schrodinger or Paul Dirac.

More importantly - since you insist on linking your pseudo-scientific ramblings to religious matters - there is bugger all about such matters in the Bible, not even in your precious Book of Revelation, which was only tentatively admitted into the canon of scripture several centuries after the death of Jesus, and is still regarded with extreme suspicion by a number of branches of Christianity.
Your private fantasies are your own affair, and no doubt they are an important factor in your continuing to function as a human being. But please don't think you know better than Christian scholars like Anchorman here, or better than the large number of posters with scientific training.

[Anchorman]

You know, I've justfinished trying to translate a fragmented stela of a chap who died around 900BC. Bits of it are missing, but what bits we have, written by what appears to be an apprentice scribe with some form of hieroglyphic dyslexia, made a heck of a lot more sense than your last post, NM.

[NicholasMarks]

Anchorman/Dicky Underpants...

Clearly, neither of you want saving then, but what I am trying to stress is that Jesus Christ has a wonderful science to back him up...and if we don't grasp that science soon then the message in Revelation will come and go and only those who have been deemed righteous enough, will be left. We are told that the event will impact upon us all, all at the same time...in the twinkling of an eye, and the science, and events occurring around the world today, are stating clearly that we are living in those 'last days.'

It is becoming obvious to me that I can't save anyone, but Jesus Christ can...it is through the refined 'word' of Almighty God which takes the electrical nature of the whole universe and redefines it as God's spiritual universe controlled by special righteous laws. You see...to attach ourselves to that righteous code we need to become the sort of person Jesus was and describes to us because we are dealing with a very sensitive and delicate energy source that can deliver repair, resurrection and everlasting life, whilst those who can't attach themselves to his righteous word will be, spiritually, snatched into the fiery lake of sulphur, as it is centrifugally hurled away from this planet, and I'm afraid to say will become the eternal resting place for all those who have defied Jesus Christ's loving word...and I wouldn't wish that on anyone...It's all in the Holy Bible.

 

[Anchorman]

Anchorman/Dicky Underpants...

Clearly, neither of you want saving then, but what I am trying to stress is that Jesus Christ has a wonderful science to back him up...and if we don't grasp that science soon then the message in Revelation will come and go and only those who have been deemed righteous enough, will be left. We are told that the event will impact upon us all, all at the same time...in the twinkling of an eye, and the science, and events occurring around the world today, are stating clearly that we are living in those 'last days.'

It is becoming obvious to me that I can't save anyone, but Jesus Christ can...it is through the refined 'word' of Almighty God which takes the electrical nature of the whole universe and redefines it as God's spiritual universe controlled by special righteous laws. You see...to attach ourselves to that righteous code we need to become the sort of person Jesus was and describes to us because we are dealing with a very sensitive and delicate energy source that can deliver repair, resurrection and everlasting life, whilst those who can't attach themselves to his righteous word will be, spiritually, snatched into the fiery lake of sulphur, as it is centrifugally hurled away from this planet, and I'm afraid to say will become the eternal resting place for all those who have defied Jesus Christ's loving word...and I wouldn't wish that on anyone...It's all in the Holy Bible.

 

   Eh? "Niether of us wants saving...."?
FU is athiest; I respect tha though don't share is POV; I, on the other hand, NM, accepted Christ as my Lord, God, Saviour and King more than forty  years ago, and have known Him in my life every moment since then.
And, yes, I have studied the Scriptures; I must say that your take on salvation has a uniqueness which is baffling.
You throw in complex words like science, electricity, dynamism, etc, which are not in Scripture; you use words such as 'righteousness', 'saved', etc, which are, in ways unknown to any theology of which I'm aware.
You fail to provide any evidence for your asssertions, citing the Bible as evidence. Any apologist worth his salt will tell you that's arrant drivel: The Bible is not evidence for the Bible!
There IS ample evidence from extra-Biblical sources from the tenth century BC onwards, NM - evidence I've never yet seen you cite. Try researching it.
You might like to study the origins and authorship of Revelation, and apocalyptic literature in general from the previous two and a half centuries of Judaism.
This does not negate Revelation as theology: I've preached on it several times, and will do so again; it does, however, mean that we should treat it in context and with caution.
You, it appears, do niether.

[NicholasMarks]

   Eh? "Niether of us wants saving...."?
FU is athiest; I respect tha though don't share is POV; I, on the other hand, NM, accepted Christ as my Lord, God, Saviour and King more than forty  years ago, and have known Him in my life every moment since then.
And, yes, I have studied the Scriptures; I must say that your take on salvation has a uniqueness which is baffling.
You throw in complex words like science, electricity, dynamism, etc, which are not in Scripture; you use words such as 'righteousness', 'saved', etc, which are, in ways unknown to any theology of which I'm aware.
You fail to provide any evidence for your asssertions, citing the Bible as evidence. Any apologist worth his salt will tell you that's arrant drivel: The Bible is not evidence for the Bible!
There IS ample evidence from extra-Biblical sources from the tenth century BC onwards, NM - evidence I've never yet seen you cite. Try researching it.
You might like to study the origins and authorship of Revelation, and apocalyptic literature in general from the previous two and a half centuries of Judaism.
This does not negate Revelation as theology: I've preached on it several times, and will do so again; it does, however, mean that we should treat it in context and with caution.
You, it appears, do niether.

Hi Anchorman...You seem to ignore a few Biblical points...one of which is that one day all truth will be revealed...and another is that if Almighty God and Jesus Christ are who they say they are they are the holders of a very advanced science...I am simply bringing those points into sharp focus. We aren't dealing with a mythical Deity contrived by pagan people but with a real, living, loving, caring Deity who wants to save us from a natural event which, due to his authority over all spiritual matters, takes responsibility for.

As the days draw to a close you will see that I am right and your righteous desire will grow stronger, but don't be fooled by your own inner reasoning...follow Jesus Christ accurately, and be saved.

[Anchorman]

"Follow Jesus Christ accurately and you will be saved"? I've never yet seen that Scripture. Oh, and, if you use an ACCURATE translation, you will, of course, note the triune nature of God revealed in Scripture. "God and Jesus Christ...." is not a concep I,or many other Christians, recognise.

[NicholasMarks]

"Follow Jesus Christ accurately and you will be saved"? I've never yet seen that Scripture. Oh, and, if you use an ACCURATE translation, you will, of course, note the triune nature of God revealed in Scripture. "God and Jesus Christ...." is not a concep I,or many other Christians, recognise.

You make a good point Anchorman...how can you possibly be following him accurately when the Holy Bible, states clearly, that Jesus is the son of God and refers over and over again that he and Almighty God are different beings with identical beliefs...which means they are both in total harmony with the same science...a science we all need if we are to be saved. You also missed the Biblical statement when Jesus said...Those that follow me will never die...John 11:26...and many other places as well.

In a nutshell...it is an electric/spiritual universe and if we treat our own spirit with righteous respect, in the way Jesus taught us, we too will gain resurrection when our body fails...rebirth into a new vessel...and the same science that says this says that the same spiritual laws will repair us and even guide our health towards everlasting life. You see, God's spiritual waters...is an invisible, electric property, that is all around us all of the time and which we can attach ourselves to by prayerful and righteous respect towards our Deity...It is an indestructible energy which can reach parts that other nutrients can't reach...even soothing and calming our genetic health, which the world is quick to abuse, confound and corrupt, wilfully and spitefully.

[Anchorman]

You make a good point Anchorman...how can you possibly be following him accurately when the Holy Bible, states clearly, that Jesus is the son of God and refers over and over again that he and Almighty God are different beings with identical beliefs...which means they are both in total harmony with the same science...a science we all need if we are to be saved. You also missed the Biblical statement when Jesus said...Those that follow me will never die...John 11:26...and many other places as well.

In a nutshell...it is an electric/spiritual universe and if we treat our own spirit with righteous respect, in the way Jesus taught us, we too will gain resurrection when our body fails...rebirth into a new vessel...and the same science that says this says that the same spiritual laws will repair us and even guide our health towards everlasting life. You see, God's spiritual waters...is an invisible, electric property, that is all around us all of the time and which we can attach ourselves to by prayerful and righteous respect towards our Deity...It is an indestructible energy which can reach parts that other nutrients can't reach...even soothing and calming our genetic health, which the world is quick to abuse, confound and corrupt, wilfully and spitefully.

   
NM:
Instead of referring you to Koine Greek, reliable interliears, etc, can I point out that, in the dim and distant past,I attended Uni.
I was taught New Testament Greek by a Greek professor - a native Greek speaker who had himself studied the three early forms of Greek, the eyetemology of ancient Greek, its origins, character and usage.
If he was entirely happy with the asignation of a Triune nature of God, then I'm not going to argue with him.
It was, as they say, literally, all Greek to him.

[NicholasMarks]

   
NM:
Instead of referring you to Koine Greek, reliable interliears, etc, can I point out that, in the dim and distant past,I attended Uni.
I was taught New Testament Greek by a Greek professor - a native Greek speaker who had himself studied the three early forms of Greek, the eyetemology of ancient Greek, its origins, character and usage.
If he was entirely happy with the asignation of a Triune nature of God, then I'm not going to argue with him.
It was, as they say, literally, all Greek to him.

I will let you into a little secret Anchorman...The Holy Bible is written in a universal language which follows the code of righteousness...The  best and only way to bring alive the teaching of Jesus Christ. It is a language that intellectuals have great difficulty with but it is also a language that anyone, in the entire world can understand because it reaches into our hearts, our souls and every aspect of our existence because it soothes and calms every genetic misbehaviour...as it must to offer us repair, resurrection and, ultimately, everlasting life. We just have to tune in, righteously.

[Anchorman]

I will let you into a little secret Anchorman...The Holy Bible is written in a universal language which follows the code of righteousness...The  best and only way to bring alive the teaching of Jesus Christ. It is a language that intellectuals have great difficulty with but it is also a language that anyone, in the entire world can understand because it reaches into our hearts, our souls and every aspect of our existence because it soothes and calms every genetic misbehaviour...as it must to offer us repair, resurrection and, ultimately, everlasting life. We just have to tune in, righteously.

 



I will let YOU into a little secret, NM:
The Scriptures were writtwen in three languages:
"Classic" Hebrew
Armaic
Anfd Greek.
The latter - Greek, was the medium in which both the Septuagint - the Old Testament - was transcribed in Alexandria, Egypt, and the New Testament, was written, in Koine Greek.
That, NM, is called, "fact".
It is also called "accurate", "scientific" - and definative.
The translations, transliterations, interlinears, etc - well, the ones accepted by real scholars, as opposed to the tripe of the NWT, anyway - are freely available, online and offline.
Are you disagreeing with two and a ahalf millenia of scholarship, archaeology, history, translation and transliteration?
On what basis, please?

[NicholasMarks]

 



I will let YOU into a little secret, NM:
The Scriptures were writtwen in three languages:
"Classic" Hebrew
Armaic
Anfd Greek.
The latter - Greek, was the medium in which both the Septuagint - the Old Testament - was transcribed in Alexandria, Egypt, and the New Testament, was written, in Koine Greek.
That, NM, is called, "fact".
It is also called "accurate", "scientific" - and definative.
The translations, transliterations, interlinears, etc - well, the ones accepted by real scholars, as opposed to the tripe of the NWT, anyway - are freely available, online and offline.
Are you disagreeing with two and a ahalf millenia of scholarship, archaeology, history, translation and transliteration?
On what basis, please?

Oh Anchorman...The first law of righteousness is to stay calm. That way we are keeping our genetic health calm and we know that if we ignore this need the replicating cell can get bullying and aggressive and cause mayhem within our own individual body. That said...the code of righteousness works within us, regardless of who has said what, that is, if we accept Jesus Christ's teaching as Gospel. If he says he is the son of God, that is precisely who he is. If he says, the father and I are one, then he is saying, they think alike, they walk and talk from the same hymn sheet...they agree on every point of righteousness...and righteousness is a science born from the fact that the universe is made from a superabundant, indestructible, dynamic energy, which all the fundamental forces within the universe must obey. This is why Jesus Christ is so good at his trade, he is following his father's teaching to the absolute max.

Which is easier to say...follow the caring laws gleaned from the fundamental forces of the universe...or...follow Jesus Christ accurateley??

[trippymonkey]

Talk about Fact & Evidence evasion ?!?!!?

[Robbie]

You start.

[trippymonkey]

You start.

Oh you tease, you !?!?!?!?

[NicholasMarks]

trippymonkey/Robbie...

Your Honours...If I may proceed with my case...The Holy Bible exists...There can be no question about its existence and it has given many people many answer to many unanswered questions...so much so that millions upon millions of people have reached out for its guidance on some very serious issues, such as the very serious issues we face today. Its guiding forces are Jesus Christ and righteousness...which state that regardless of the lies and deceit we are all coming across every day of our lives...we, shouldn't lie or deceive. It also states that by loving our neighbours as ourselves, we take a lot of the hostility out of our lives. A hostility which might benefit others who have at the core of their reasoning, lies and deceit, and thereby are engineering ill-feeling to reach a certain goal which is not in the interests of the many who suffer by it. Furthermore...all of these offensive behaviours are a direct assault upon our own individual emotional strength, and, according to the Holy Bible, and Jesus Christ, are a drain upon our spiritual vitality, which otherwise promises us good-health, happiness, and everlasting life...There is much more proof and evidence but it seems that even the bare-bones of this Biblically inspired teaching is not worth even trying for, even though there is a huge threat attached to it...which is, eternal damnation, if we can't reach out for righteousness as Jesus explained, lived by, and was resurrected by. The science is irrefutable written in the blood of our saviour...Jesus Christ.

I rest my case.

[Robbie]

That's alright Nicholas.

I don't criticise, each to their own, but your insinuations (I can't think of a betteer word right now), that some people are not 'saved' because they do not see things as you do is rather arrogant, even if you don't mean it that way.

Oh you tease, you !?!?!?!?

If you start talking about Fact and Evidence Evasion I will respond & lots of others will join in, could be fun. I don't want to kick it off because I'm not so knowledgeable and would have to be evasive - more than happy to follow tho'. Over to you  .

[NicholasMarks]

That's alright Nicholas.

I don't criticise, each to their own, but your insinuations (I can't think of a betteer word right now), that some people are not 'saved' because they do not see things as you do is rather arrogant, even if you don't mean it that way.

The 'insinuation' you accuse me of Robbie is taken from the Holy Bible...'those that follow me (Jesus) will never die'. If we follow Jesus, accurately, we are following his righteous science and it is the science that gives us our indestructible spirit...still, it is no guarantee...we must maintain that following of Jesus for all eternity if we want repair and everlasting life, with the safety net of resurrection into a new vessel, if required.

The huge benefit is that there are forces, out there, huge and wicked forces that will lure us away from the science because those forces dabble in lies and deceit and can't exist in a righteous environment and so are hell bent on destroying that promise...using the usual tactics of propaganda, distress, lies and deceit...and by using this, Jesus Christ's righteous science, we will resurface after the 'fiery lake of sulphur' has passed, Revelation 21, 8...it is all a question of attaching ourselves to God's Living Waters...a free energy that also follows the same righteous science no matter who disagrees.

 

[NicholasMarks]

trippymonkey/Robbie…Talk about Fact & Evidence evasion ?!?!!?

Your starter for 10…


How do we suppose all that electric energy got inside all those atoms if we can’t accept the word of an all knowing God, who sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, to explain its main priorities to us, which is, how human life can benefit from it all. Even the living-cell in its many forms, including every seed that has ever existed must excite the electrical laws that lie within them, and the consequences of that is either good health, or, poor health…dependent upon the environment those seeds find themselves in. So, here is a message from Jesus Christ…harness our own electrical/spiritual environment by following him accurately. We try to make our own electrical environment anyway, but it is fraught with danger because we don’t follow a plan which is conducive with good health, happiness, repair, and respect for the only authority with the intellectual flair to offer us its finest fruits...in fact, we leave it all to chance.

[Robbie]

I have read all your posts Nicholas and taken in the gist of what you've said but my point, in previous post, was that you are talking to some genuine Christians and appear to be saying that their 'interpretation' of Christianity is wrong and yours right. Now would Jesus do that or would He look into the heart of each person and 'assess' them accordingly?

Personally I do not think Christ will reject me because I have 'got' some things wrong; same goes for others here, e.g. Anchorman, who is a committed Christian.

You have undoubtedly got things wrong! We all do.

However I bow out of this conversation, have nothing to add and wish you all the best.

[NicholasMarks]

I have read all your posts Nicholas and taken in the gist of what you've said but my point, in previous post, was that you are talking to some genuine Christians and appear to be saying that their 'interpretation' of Christianity is wrong and yours right. Now would Jesus do that or would He look into the heart of each person and 'assess' them accordingly?

Personally I do not think Christ will reject me because I have 'got' some things wrong; same goes for others here, e.g. Anchorman, who is a committed Christian.

You have undoubtedly got things wrong! We all do.

However I bow out of this conversation, have nothing to add and wish you all the best.

Thankyou Robbie...and I acknowledge that I am therefore talking to myself, but all committed Christians must realise the strict code Jesus followed, which has no other dimension than he was following the accurate teaching of his father, and that code that Jesus was living by, (the 'word' made flesh) was/is of vast importance to each and everyone of us. We are, and it is all in the Holy Bible, facing serious planetary problems, which will test us to the max. We must therefore get it right...Jesus won't ask us individually whether we are of good conscience, worthy of salvation, cus it will all happen in the twinkling of an eye, and if we are of righteous spirit we are guaranteed that the fiery lake of sulphur won't have the same power over the righteous that it will have over all those who are listed in Revelation 21:8.

What I am saying, or rather, what Jesus is saying, is, the science of righteousness is the science that will ensure there are no gate-crashers...regardless of what I might think about it...Robbie might think about it...or, indeed, Anchorman thinks about it.

The code will not alter...Jesus Christ will not alter...Almighty God, who devised this righteous code will not alter his position...it is up to us to alter our position...It's all in the Holy Bible.

 

[torridon]

If I wasn't already an atheist, i'm sure this thread alone would be sufficient to turn me into one   

[trippymonkey]

I'm not an atheist but there's no such thing as Complete Truth for me & ALL religious books are made by HUMANS & therefore will be, at least, a bit, shall we say, 'wrong' ?!?!!?

Nick

[NicholasMarks]

trippymonkey/torridon...

The Holy Bible, and in particular Revelation, tells us of an impending danger that will face us all. It is of the size and dimension of such proportions that God said of it that there would be no survivors if he didn't get involved...but because of the faithful, he will get involved. We haven't got time to be atheist...it is coming and observers are saying that this rogue celestial system is already here. The point neither of you are considering is that every single one of us has a spirit that could be resurrected...but, even if it can't be, it would just roam around the ether until it is freed by righteous consideration...Deciding you don't want to be part of it, doesn't hold up...if you can't repent, the natural consequences of this disaster, which is two pronged since Satan has devised his pincer-movement to coincide with this celestial event, will spiritually snatch those with no righteous justification to remain here, out into space...in the twinkling of an eye...and it will be too late to say to yourself, I ought to have been kinder...and listened...or, not interpreted a honest source of warning, based upon Biblical truth, as hostile.

My advice would be...repent and start reading about Jesus Christ so that you may be exonerated from all of your sins which brought all our genetic chaos into the world.

 

[torridon]

Lurid fanciful nonsense with no basis in reality.  Whatever it is that you've been smoking, perhaps you should consider giving it up.

[Sebastian Toe]

..it is coming and observers are saying that this rogue celestial system is already here.

Whatever it is they  say that they are "observing"...its not what you want it to be.
Maybe you should look for yourself to confirm it?