The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[ippy]

Thing is, though, we're trying to make our NM see hi 'accurate' is anything but....
....and 'Macbeth' is about as accurate as NM's postings.......

It looks to me that you didn't read the whole of my post. Regards ippy.

[NicholasMarks]

ippy/Anchorman/Robbie/Maeght/Seb...

Well...at least some of you are now looking into the Holy Bible to condemn me...and that is a positive start. I would now like to show you how ignoring your spiritual stamina is harmful to you personally, and often those around you. Everyone comes across a charismatic person from time to time. They have an inner radiance that beams from them...a powerful attitude and often an unusual talent...but it is all comprised of the nervous strength of their audience...a component snatched from your health, in superabundance. This is what the science says...what Jesus Christ's teaching says, and what I am saying. Harness this inner strength within our own  persona in a righteous way and  we begin a repair cycle which offers us resurrection and ultimately everlasting life...but, It's up to you.
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[Roses]

NM one has to hand it to you, your posts brighten up one's day, they are so entertaining.  

[Anchorman]

ippy/Anchorman/Robbie/Maeght/Seb...

Well...at least some of you are now looking into the Holy Bible to condemn me...and that is a positive start. I would now like to show you how ignoring your spiritual stamina is harmful to you personally, and often those around you. Everyone comes across a charismatic person from time to time. They have an inner radiance that beams from them...a powerful attitude and often an unusual talent...but it is all comprised of the nervous strength of their audience...a component snatched from your health, in superabundance. This is what the science says...what Jesus Christ's teaching says, and what I am saying. Harness this inner strength within our own  persona in a righteous way and  we begin a repair cycle which offers us resurrection and ultimately everlasting life...but, It's up to you.
..

   


Thanks for acknowledging that I read the Scriptures, NM - I have done - every fay for nearly 40 years.
Talking of Scripture - the Scripture you claim to follow - accurately, of course....
Have you submitted yourself to your church leaders yet?
Ort is your approach to Scripture 'pic 'n mix'?

[Roses]

   


Thanks for acknowledging that I read the Scriptures, NM - I have done - every fay for nearly 40 years.
Talking of Scripture - the Scripture you claim to follow - accurately, of course....
Have you submitted yourself to your church leaders yet?
Ort is your approach to Scripture 'pic 'n mix'?

Whilst I don't have your take on faith Anchorman, at least your interpretation of the Bible makes a heck of a lot more sense than the spin NM puts on it. If Jesus is around in the ether somewhere, I guess he must be as astounded as the rest of us that anyone can read into his words the things NM and his ilk do.

[Robbie]

Hullo  , surprise. Hope you're alright.

Know what you mean about Anchor but,

(It is understood that the following will mean nothing to non-believers, indeed they will consider it nonsense so interjections saying as much are unnecessarily disuptive)

Anchor, you keep going on about submitting to church elders. It is written in the Bible:

Hebrews 13:17 (NIV)

"17 Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you."

However I've not come across anyone who takes that so literally as to bang on about it because church leaders are human beings.The insistence in to their authority is somewhat strong. It can be dangerous.

If they are wise and good one will listen or ask for advice. What Nick said about charismatic people feeding off the energy of their audience (my words) was spot on. I can't help feeling Paul, as a leader, was flexing his muscles & laying down the law. We've moved on since then.

Nicholas what you said about harnessing the inner strength of our own persona (you said similar in one of your previous posts & Trippy asked if it just applied to Christians), corresponds to the belief that God is to be found inside each one of us; that belief is common to many traditions, not just Christian. Maybe that is for another thread on the Faith Sharing area.

Nice to see you not posting about signs in the sky at night on this occasion Nicholas :-).

[Maeght]

ippy/Anchorman/Robbie/Maeght/Seb...

Well...at least some of you are now looking into the Holy Bible to condemn me...and that is a positive start. I would now like to show you how ignoring your spiritual stamina is harmful to you personally, and often those around you. Everyone comes across a charismatic person from time to time. They have an inner radiance that beams from them...a powerful attitude and often an unusual talent...but it is all comprised of the nervous strength of their audience...a component snatched from your health, in superabundance. This is what the science says...what Jesus Christ's teaching says, and what I am saying. Harness this inner strength within our own  persona in a righteous way and  we begin a repair cycle which offers us resurrection and ultimately everlasting life...but, It's up to you.
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'spiritual stamina', 'nervous strength' - more made up nonsense phrases.

'This is what the science says...what Jesus Christ's teaching says, and what I am saying.'

Nope.

[ippy]

Hullo  , surprise. Hope you're alright.

Know what you mean about Anchor but,

(It is understood that the following will mean nothing to non-believers, indeed they will consider it nonsense so interjections saying as much are unnecessarily disuptive)

Anchor, you keep going on about submitting to church elders. It is written in the Bible:

Hebrews 13:17 (NIV)

"17 Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you."

However I've not come across anyone who takes that so literally as to bang on about it because church leaders are human beings.The insistence in to their authority is somewhat strong. It can be dangerous.

If they are wise and good one will listen or ask for advice. What Nick said about charismatic people feeding off the energy of their audience (my words) was spot on. I can't help feeling Paul, as a leader, was flexing his muscles & laying down the law. We've moved on since then.

Nicholas what you said about harnessing the inner strength of our own persona (you said similar in one of your previous posts & Trippy asked if it just applied to Christians), corresponds to the belief that God is to be found inside each one of us; that belief is common to many traditions, not just Christian. Maybe that is for another thread on the Faith Sharing area.

Nice to see you not posting about signs in the sky at night on this occasion Nicholas :-).

(Hard luck Rob), baseless silly drivel will always remain as it is silly and baseless drivel.

As you can see it does mean something to me, not so much adults having these baseless beliefs, it's more the fact that usually they can't help themselves and pass these beliefs on to the next generation as though they're passing on facts, this is so disappointingly dishonest.

Regards ippy

[Robbie]

Not everyone does that ippy, I don't, I doubt Anchor does, cannot think of anyone else off hand who posts here regularly. Steven doesn't strike me as someone who would force feed his faith onto others. Humph Warden Bennett doesn't. Agreed there are some posters here who are  forceful but they aren't here very often.

But that wasn't the point of what I said. When talking to others, like Nicholas and like Anchor (please don't think I'm putting them in the same category except for this), it's important to address issues in the same way they do & try to understand their points of view. Dicky does that & as far as I can tell he is an atheist or at least agnostic - his posts are well constructed and interesting.

I wouldn't even think of jeering at what others believe or don't believe even if I don't share their views. It doesn't lead anywhere at all except perhaps a free for all. If I can't think of anything useful to say I'll say nothing.

Perhaps better if I say no more on this thread but like anyone else, I sometimes read a post and see something I want to respond to.

However I'm feeling a bit under the weather today (have been all week but today I can give in to it), so am now going to curl up on the sofa with a book - will probably drop off to sleep. Enjoy the rest of the afternoon.

[Anchorman]

Hullo  , surprise. Hope you're alright. Know what you mean about Anchor but, (It is understood that the following will mean nothing to non-believers, indeed they will consider it nonsense so interjections saying as much are unnecessarily disuptive) Anchor, you keep going on about submitting to church elders. It is written in the Bible: Hebrews 13:17 (NIV) "17 Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you." However I've not come across anyone who takes that so literally as to bang on about it because church leaders are human beings.The insistence in to their authority is somewhat strong. It can be dangerous. If they are wise and good one will listen or ask for advice. What Nick said about charismatic people feeding off the energy of their audience (my words) was spot on. I can't help feeling Paul, as a leader, was flexing his muscles & laying down the law. We've moved on since then. Nicholas what you said about harnessing the inner strength of our own persona (you said similar in one of your previous posts & Trippy asked if it just applied to Christians), corresponds to the belief that God is to be found inside each one of us; that belief is common to many traditions, not just Christian. Maybe that is for another thread on the Faith Sharing area. Nice to see you not posting about signs in the sky at night on this occasion Nicholas :-).

The reason I bang on about it, Robbie is simple. Our NM keeps harping on about following the 'accurate teachings', etc. I have presented him with a very accurate teaching; I want to know if he's following it - plain and simple; no pseudoscientific gobbledegook, simply a straight question. I don't hope for a straight answer, though. As an elder in my own church, I don't expect crowds of people  rushing to my feet to be judged....all thaT TEA WOULD TURN MY STOMACH INTO IRON ANYWAY. However I would expect members of that church to discuss and debate doctrine. I assume it's the same with wahatever denomination NM attands - assuming he attends a church....which, as someone who follows the "accurate teaching" of Christ, he will.....er.....

[Robbie]

Anchorman:- "...assuming he attends a church....which, as someone who follows the "accurate teaching" of Christ, he will.....er....."
probably not!

[Anchorman]

Anchorman:- "...assuming he attends a church....which, as someone who follows the "accurate teaching" of Christ, he will.....er....."
probably not!

Yep.
I'd be the last person to force anyone who is Christian to attend a denomination or fellowship; but, imperfect as they - we - are, they provide an anchor (sorry anout the pun) for our thoughts and journey.
To abandon them completely is to cut oneself off from "the body" as Paul - accurately - put it.
(mind you, sometimes I could see it far enough.....)

[Nearly Sane]

Not everyone does that ippy, I don't, I doubt Anchor does, cannot think of anyone else off hand who posts here regularly. Steven doesn't strike me as someone who would force feed his faith onto others. Humph Warden Bennett doesn't. Agreed there are some posters here who are  forceful but they aren't here very often.

But that wasn't the point of what I said. When talking to others, like Nicholas and like Anchor (please don't think I'm putting them in the same category except for this), it's important to address issues in the same way they do & try to understand their points of view. Dicky does that & as far as I can tell he is an atheist or at least agnostic - his posts are well constructed and interesting.

I wouldn't even think of jeering at what others believe or don't believe even if I don't share their views. It doesn't lead anywhere at all except perhaps a free for all. If I can't think of anything useful to say I'll say nothing.

Perhaps better if I say no more on this thread but like anyone else, I sometimes read a post and see something I want to respond to.

However I'm feeling a bit under the weather today (have been all week but today I can give in to it), so am now going to curl up on the sofa with a book - will probably drop off to sleep. Enjoy the rest of the afternoon.

Of believers of gods and goddesses, who don't force feed,  add in Gonnagle, Rhiannon and Gabriella. This idea of child abuse by those who have beliefs simply for stating them is to me hugely pernicious. As I always cite on here,  my sainted old mother is worth any bunch of people using the child abuse schtick.

[Robbie]

Thanks, yes NS, good post. Gonnagle is the gentlest & most humorous of characters. I didn't mention Rhi and Gabriella because I thought it was only Christians being talked about but you are quite right, they are all posters for whom I have great respect and Gabriella takes a lot of stick on the chin.

[Nearly Sane]

I always believe in being ecumenical. I'll add in Sriram who I disagree with almost completely but I think is a great honest poster. It's too easy for people to take sides about this stuff. Bringing up your child in your religion is like bringing up your child in your morality. It can be dreadful but that's dependent on what your religion and morality is. I was blessed with living parents who happened to be RCs. Their religion and morality were about kindness and love.

As ever for an atheist to think religion is inherently bad, seems to me, to ignore that it arises from what we are as humans.

[Robbie]

Yes. My mum was a Quaker from a Quaker family (many of whom I saw in Yorkshire this year as well as when they came down here for the funeral in Jan and then stayed with me and my sister for a few days over Easter), & dad was, and is, moderately liberal CofE. They brought me up, gently, with values that I still hold regarding equality, peace and justice and didn't force feed any one religious view. I'm glad of that because I would undoubtedly have rebelled. (There were other things about which I rebelled  but not against them).

Agree with you about Sririam.

[Nearly Sane]

I get a bit scared at the atheist fundie approach which goes down the child abuse in telling kids what you believe. It seems a parody of my upgringing, and one which people seem to want to indulge in without any reference to reality.

[Roses]

I get a bit scared at the atheist fundie approach which goes down the child abuse in telling kids what you believe. It seems a parody of my upgringing, and one which people seem to want to indulge in without any reference to reality.

It is only abuse if you threaten them with the tortures of hell if they don't believe it too.

[Nearly Sane]

It is only abuse if you threaten them with the tortures of hell if they don't believe it too.

In a sense this was implied in the gentle loving upbringing I received from my parents, but that was because they had been brought up to think that too. The idea of religion as this simplistic, is in turn simplistic.

[Anchorman]

It is only abuse if you threaten them with the tortures of hell if they don't believe it too.

You could also threaten them with forced attendance at a Church of Scotland Presbytery.
It amounts to the same thing, really.

[Robbie]

You are funny Anchor.

Li'l' Roses was there anything else abusive about your 'fundi' Christian upbringing apart from your auntie telling you you'd burn if you didn't turn?

[ippy]

You are funny Anchor.

Li'l' Roses was there anything else abusive about your 'fundi' Christian upbringing apart from your auntie telling you you'd burn if you didn't turn?

You should accompany me on my rounds of a Sunday Rob, knocking at doors asking another candidate "have you heard the bad news", door closed in my face, another bad day it's hard out there ror us fundies Rob.

Regards ippy.

[Robbie]

Do you panic if they invite you in?

[Anchorman]

You should accompany me on my rounds of a Sunday Rob, knocking at doors asking another candidate "have you heard the bad news", door closed in my face, another bad day it's hard out there ror us fundies Rob.

Regards ippy.

And you don't even get the chance to refuse a slice of black pudding?
Atheism...eh?

[Roses]

You are funny Anchor.

Li'l' Roses was there anything else abusive about your 'fundi' Christian upbringing apart from your auntie telling you you'd burn if you didn't turn?

You got that WRONG, it was my evil b*tch of a grandmother who repeatedly told me I would burn in hell, but my parents went along with it. Being strongly pressured into converting is very abusive, imo. I managed to hold out until I was eleven.