The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[Roses]

It's  the difference of believing in the veracity of the Holy Bible or not torridon. I believe and find satisfactory answers from it,  especially about the spiritual/electric nature of the universe. Jesus Christ chose a different life style to common man explaining that his life style was based upon the fundamental forces of his father...the same forces I have unified to my own satisfaction...the same laws that control all of our existences...especially those that say that lies and deceit can become the spiritual food of the demonic...and I for one have seen that food working at close quarters...so, if you don't mind, I will continue on my quest to save those who can see the value in true righteousness, where I am told that the intellectual often outsmart themselves and not wanting to study the spiritual universe according to Jesus Christ is an example of this and is fraught with danger, as Revelation tells us.

That crazy book of Revelation should be taken with a large pitch of salt. As I have said many times, I reckon its author was as high as a kite when he wrote it.

You can believe what you like NM, but rest assured your take of faith is not convincing anyone, even other Christians.

[ippy]

Nick, are you a Jehovah's witness or not?

One word answer please?

ippy

[Roses]

Nick, are you a Jehovah's witness or not?

One word answer please?

ippy

You'll be lucky.

[SteveH]

That crazy book of Revelation should be taken with a large pitch of salt. As I have said many times, I reckon its author was as high as a kite when he wrote it.

You can believe what you like NM, but rest assured your take of faith is not convincing anyone, even other Christians.

NM's beliefs are somewhat - shall we say - outré, but he is unfailingly courteous, and never goes out of his way to offend those who believe something different, unlike some, including, I admit, me on occasion.

[Robbie]

Don't put yourself down, you're not that bad at all. Plenty far worse!

Nicholas doesn't bother me at all but I wish he would engage with us on other levels, be a bit more 'human'. Also he doesn't answer straight questions with a straight answer. I don't know why. Interpersonal relations are important.

[SteveH]

Well, I'm glad you think so, but I have had a few suspensions from here, for losing my temper with the non-stop sarcasm of one poster, and telling him to perform an action both immoral and physically impossible.

[ippy]

You'll be lucky.

I have to admit L R, I'm hoping that question will lessen his capacity to generate an alternate answer or he might just circuit this phase of his usually more terminal way of potentialy giving a positive or negative reaction to my post if he chooses to give us a current and direct answer.

I'll bet it'll be another sermon if anything and of course I have to agree with you as you say L R.

Regards ippy

[Robbie]

So what SteveH, many posters are suspended for a while. If you were provoked your reaction was understandable, I didn't see it but can imagine. When you feel the top of your head about to blow off, walk away & do something else.

You've done your penance, time to move on.

Back to Nicholas. How are you today Nicholas? Had good lunch? Reminds me we have to be at my sister's in a bit, she is doing barbecue. 

[Roses]

As Steve says NM is courteous, even if his posts beggar belief.

[Dicky Underpants]

Nick, are you a Jehovah's witness or not?

One word answer please?

ippy

He gave his answer in message #1567 in this thread:

The Jehovah Witness Faith is the closest on Earth today to that accurate teaching...but not without errors.

That is, according to my own scrutiny.

(bold type mine)

And by stating that the JW faith is "not without errors" is conclusively saying that he is not
a JW. Even if he wanted to be an "associate" of theirs, they would not allow him to call himself a Jehovah's Witness*. For that, you have to be baptised in the faith, and swallow every jot and tittle of the doctrines perpetrated by the "infallible" Watchtower Inc.
And that I can tell you from inside knowledge, many years ago.
Fortunately, I had a brain and was ultimately resistant to brain-washing. I had to write a (mercifully unpublished) study of them in my mid-twenties to get them out of my system, though I had rejected their fatuous dreck in my mid teens.


*He might find himself "under scrutiny" if he did. The JWs, the Scientologists and to some extent the Mormons have a track record in this sort of thing.

[torridon]

It's  the difference of believing in the veracity of the Holy Bible or not torridon. I believe and find satisfactory answers from it,  especially about the spiritual/electric nature of the universe. Jesus Christ chose a different life style to common man explaining that his life style was based upon the fundamental forces of his father...the same forces I have unified to my own satisfaction...the same laws that control all of our existences...especially those that say that lies and deceit can become the spiritual food of the demonic...and I for one have seen that food working at close quarters...so, if you don't mind, I will continue on my quest to save those who can see the value in true righteousness, where I am told that the intellectual often outsmart themselves and not wanting to study the spiritual universe according to Jesus Christ is an example of this and is fraught with danger, as Revelation tells us.

You cannot save anyone Nick, don't kid yourself, and if you think you might be bringing people into faith, don't kid yourself, for every person that you might cause to think that way there will be a hundred put off by your incomprehensible spiel.  There will be people reading this thread forming the opinion that a step in faith could end up with them also being completely away with the fairies, and something therefore to avoid.   

As to the veracity of the Bible, it gives us a unique window into the beliefs of the Jewish peoples, although as a guide to science it is a complete zero, showing no signs of any profound insight into the nature of reality.  It is broadly equivalent to the other cultures of antiquity, the Egyptians, the Assyrians, the Aztec, the Olmecs and so forth.  They all had understanding born of their age.  Of all the cultures of antiquity only one showed deep insight, that was classical Greece which produced proto scientists, poets, playrights by the shedload but unfortunately the Greeks fell to the military might of the Romans first and then their thinking was all but obliterated systematically by the early church, so comprehensively that it set us back by over a thousand years before Enlightenment Europe started to shake off Middle Eastern superstitions to recover to where the Greeks had gotten to in forming properly structured understandings of reality based on principles of evidence, observation and reason.

[Roses]

You cannot save anyone Nick, don't kid yourself, and if you think you might be bringing people into faith, don't kid yourself, for every person that you might cause to think that way there will be a hundred put off by your incomprehensible spiel.  There will be people reading this thread forming the opinion that a step in faith could end up with them also being completely away with the fairies, and something therefore to avoid.   

As to the veracity of the Bible, it gives us a unique window into the beliefs of the Jewish peoples, although as a guide to science it is a complete zero, showing no signs of any profound insight into the nature of reality.  It is broadly equivalent to the other cultures of antiquity, the Egyptians, the Assyrians, the Aztec, the Olmecs and so forth.  They all had understanding born of their age.  Of all the cultures of antiquity only one showed deep insight, that was classical Greece which produced proto scientists, poets, playrights by the shedload but unfortunately the Greeks fell to the military might of the Romans first and then their thinking was all but obliterated systematically by the early church, so comprehensively that it set us back by over a thousand years before Enlightenment Europe started to shake off Middle Eastern superstitions to recover to where the Greeks had gotten to in forming properly structured understandings of reality based on principles of evidence, observation and reason.

Good post.

[NicholasMarks]

Hi there...Littleroses/torridon/Dicky/Steve/ippy/Robbie/ikem/Anchorman...

You keep forgetting that I believe in Jesus Christ implicitly....as it is written in  the Holy Bible...not the generally accepted version which is more about keeping tyrants in power. Tyrants were in power in Jesus Christ's day and he showed us how to lift ourselves out of the deep and deppresive oppression that all tyrants rule by...and it works...even when resurrection is required...all because our Deities teaching incorporates an indestructible energy that is the main stay behind stars, atoms, and life. It is up to the individual to find this truth else the consequences recorded in Revelation which talks of nasty celestial bodies disturbing this planet in a Godly, judgemental way and which is showing its presence in many different ways inspiring Satan and all his henchmen to consider their options and there is terrible evidence of what these will mean.

[Anchorman]

Hi there...Littleroses/torridon/Dicky/Steve/ippy/Robbie/ikem/Anchorman... You keep forgetting that I believe in Jesus Christ implicitly....as it is written in  the Holy Bible...not the generally accepted version which is more about keeping tyrants in power. Tyrants were in power in Jesus Christ's day and he showed us how to lift ourselves out of the deep and deppresive oppression that all tyrants rule by...and it works...even when resurrection is required...all because our Deities teaching incorporates an indestructible energy that is the main stay behind stars, atoms, and life. It is up to the individual to find this truth else the consequences recorded in Revelation which talks of nasty celestial bodies disturbing this planet in a Godly, judgemental way and which is showing its presence in many different ways inspiring Satan and all his henchmen to consider their options and there is terrible evidence of what these will mean.

Not the generally accepted version? You mean the one whos translators refused to divulge their qualifications...till one of them spilled the beans and admitted that they had none and simply rehashed existing English versions to say what they wanted the Bible to say, rather than what it DOES say? The one that reputable scholars of Greek - both Christian and non-Chreistian - wouldn't touch with a ten foot bargepole because it is duplicitous and ver, very, innacurate? Hmmmmmm? Here's a link to GREEK SCHOLARS, NM - you DO realise the New Testament was written in Greek, don't you? - and their opinion of the NWT. I could link to various departments of New Testament Greek in Oxford, Cambridge, Glasgow, Syndney, Harvaaard, etc, as well if you so wish. They will say much the same. By the way, you'll note a quote from the late Professor William Barclay on that page. The liars - and I use the word with sadness - the liars in the Watchtower tried to use Willie Barclay, twisting his words to try and say he was supporting the NWT. I was honoured to have met Willie when I was a student at Glasgow Uni - a very old man by then, but with all his faculties. He was in the process of suing the Watchtower when he died. Sadly, with his deat, the duit failed. Would you really trust an organisation which lied to advocate  an obviously adulterated mistranslation? Really? http://www.apologeticsindex.org/j01.html

[NicholasMarks]

Not the generally accepted version?
You mean the one whos translators refused to divulge their qualifications...till one of them spilled the beans and admitted that they had none and simply rehashed existing English versions to say what they wanted the Bible to say, rather than what it DOES say?
The one that reputable scholars of Greek - both Christian and non-Chreistian - wouldn't touch with a ten foot bargepole because it is duplicitous and ver, very, innacurate?
Hmmmmmm?

You should know Anchorman that the Holy Bible carries its own pattern of salvation. The individual cannot breach it to read anything different than what it states...though many do...unsuccessfully. The accurate teaching is a science and the powerful words of Almighty God and Jesus should tell us this. 'Look into the heavens...who put them there? With the superabundance of his mighty power (dynamic energy)...not one is missing'. If then every star contains science, guess who put it there?? with the superabundance of his mighty power (dynamic energy)...a science just waiting to be harnessed via the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

[Roses]

You should know Anchorman that the Holy Bible carries its own pattern of salvation. The individual cannot breach it to read anything different than what it states...though many do...unsuccessfully. The accurate teaching is a science and the powerful words of Almighty God and Jesus should tell us this. 'Look into the heavens...who put them there? With the superabundance of his mighty power (dynamic energy)...not one is missing'. If then every star contains science, guess who put it there?? with the superabundance of his mighty power (dynamic energy)...a science just waiting to be harnessed via the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

NM you need to consider why no one on this forum agrees with your take on the Bible and Jesus. Maybe you should ask yourself if you have got it all wrong, because what you are preaching makes no sense at all.

[Anchorman]

You should know Anchorman that the Holy Bible carries its own pattern of salvation. The individual cannot breach it to read anything different than what it states...though many do...unsuccessfully. The accurate teaching is a science and the powerful words of Almighty God and Jesus should tell us this. 'Look into the heavens...who put them there? With the superabundance of his mighty power (dynamic energy)...not one is missing'. If then every star contains science, guess who put it there?? with the superabundance of his mighty power (dynamic energy)...a science just waiting to be harnessed via the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

 


 You couldn't be more wrong if you tried, NM.
If you look at my previous post - which I edited - there's a link to what real scholars think.
The liars - yes, NM, liars, who created the NWT had no experience in translation; four out of the five knew neither Hebrew nor Greek, and the fifth had studied Greek for less than two years at Uni before dropping out.
One of the translators even lied under oath in a Glasgow court.
Is this the work of a Spirit-inspired group or a shower of false prophets?As I said, the cult to use the words of the great Greek Scholar, William Barclay...twisting them to denote his acceptance of the translation, rather than the truth that he abhorred it.
I can only think the JWs were hoping Willie had dementia and would notcontest   their lies - they were wrong, but Willie died as the case was in court.
Would you really put your faith in this mistranslation, reviled by Greek scholars of all faiths and none, created by people with no ability, endorsed by false statements by a pseudochristian cult founded by a pyramidiot?
I know the Lord Jesus told us to beware of building our house on sand....but your trust in the NWT is built on thin air and lies.
http://www.bible.ca/Jw-NWT.htm

[SteveH]

NM you need to consider why no one on this forum agrees with your take on the Bible and Jesus. Maybe you should ask yourself if you have got it all wrong, because what you are preaching makes no sense at all.

Just for once, and it's not something I intend getting into the habit of doing, I agree with LR. People whose beliefs are pretty much unique to them, and are not concerned about that, are either prophets or a bit bonkers. I don't think NM is a prophet.

[NicholasMarks]

Littleroses/Anchorman/Seve...

It's a little more strange Anchorman  when Jesus says one thing and the entire population since Constantine says another. Even Jesus' words in Revelation to the seven churches in Asia demand that they return to his teaching, or else. Stranger still, Jesus had no man given scholarly credentials either...though I'm sure the Jewish elders were giving them to their favourites.

So, ok Littleroses, I am the boy-scout marching out of step with the others but there comes a time when that boy-scout could be the only one marching in step...because all the others took their cue from the wrong team-leader...Jesus Christ was out of step with the oppressive steps of humanity so I am pleased to be called out of tune with the majority, especially as the fiery lake of sulphur is pressing down heavier each day and the only escape is via the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...

Many, on this board even, have said much worse about Jesus Christ, himself, Steve, so I'm not too fussed.

The Holy Bible continually refers to the spiritual nature of the universe...Modern science has concluded everything is energy...all I have done is shown that both are saying the same thing except only one offers repair, resurrection and everlasting life. It's all in the Holy Bible so your arguments aren't with me they are with Almighty God and Jesus Christ.

[Anchorman]

       You said,  NM, "It's a little more strange Anchorman  when Jesus says one thing and the entire population since Constantine says another. Even Jesus' words in Revelation to the seven churches in Asia demand that they return to his teaching, or else. Stranger still, Jesus had no man given scholarly credentials either...though I'm sure the Jewish elders were giving them to their favourites. " That's dishonest, pure and simple. By your reasoning, then, the only honest version of Scripture was the NWT. Therefore all other versions, most translated by God-inspired, learned scholars well versed in the original langua  ges, are wrong? By that same reasoning, since the liars who translated the NWT admitted they'd no use or knowledge of Greek or Hebrew Or, presumably, Latin) they used those existing translations, which, by your logic, are wrong, to create the NWT? I've heard of warped reasoning....this raises it to an art form. Would God, who gave us Scripture, spend two thousand years deliberately allowing false translations of Scripture to exist, only to let untutored liars create a new version using them? Really?

[NicholasMarks]

       You said,  NM, "It's a little more strange Anchorman  when Jesus says one thing and the entire population since Constantine says another. Even Jesus' words in Revelation to the seven churches in Asia demand that they return to his teaching, or else. Stranger still, Jesus had no man given scholarly credentials either...though I'm sure the Jewish elders were giving them to their favourites. " That's dishonest, pure and simple. By your reasoning, then, the only honest version of Scripture was the NWT. Therefore all other versions, most translated by God-inspired, learned scholars well versed in the original langua  ges, are wrong? By that same reasoning, since the liars who translated the NWT admitted they'd no use or knowledge of Greek or Hebrew Or, presumably, Latin) they used those existing translations, which, by your logic, are wrong, to create the NWT? I've heard of warped reasoning....this raises it to an art form. Would God, who gave us Scripture, spend two thousand years deliberately allowing false translations of Scripture to exist, only to let untutored liars create a new version using them? Really?

Whether the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures is correct or not is for those who use it for their own teaching...it carries the word of righteousness which is an essential ingredient within all Holy Bibles if they are interpreted righteously. The problem arises when the Holy Bible is being used as a front for image-craft which is people pretending that they are guided by righteousness but in truth they are nothing of the kind. This is what got Jesus slaughtered...but he knew it, and was prepared to show us how evil works...they prefer lies and deceit, and pretending to be righteous is a manifestation of that deceit. Of course that isn't all Christians just many of those leading many Christians...and righteousness is born from the science of loving care for our neighbours...even me, for you, and you, for me. I am demonstrating mine by showing how Jesus Christ's righteous science works...especially as all the signs are indicating that we are living in the last days.

 

[Roses]

Whether the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures is correct or not is for those who use it for their own teaching...it carries the word of righteousness which is an essential ingredient within all Holy Bibles if they are interpreted righteously. The problem arises when the Holy Bible is being used as a front for image-craft which is people pretending that they are guided by righteousness but in truth they are nothing of the kind. This is what got Jesus slaughtered...but he knew it, and was prepared to show us how evil works...they prefer lies and deceit, and pretending to be righteous is a manifestation of that deceit. Of course that isn't all Christians just many of those leading many Christians...and righteousness is born from the science of loving care for our neighbours...even me, for you, and you, for me. I am demonstrating mine by showing how Jesus Christ's righteous science works...especially as all the signs are indicating that we are living in the last days.

You are describing yourself, but can't see it.

[Anchorman]

Whether the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures is correct or not is for those who use it for their own teaching...it carries the word of righteousness which is an essential ingredient within all Holy Bibles if they are interpreted righteously. The problem arises when the Holy Bible is being used as a front for image-craft which is people pretending that they are guided by righteousness but in truth they are nothing of the kind. This is what got Jesus slaughtered...but he knew it, and was prepared to show us how evil works...they prefer lies and deceit, and pretending to be righteous is a manifestation of that deceit. Of course that isn't all Christians just many of those leading many Christians...and righteousness is born from the science of loving care for our neighbours...even me, for you, and you, for me. I am demonstrating mine by showing how Jesus Christ's righteous science works...especially as all the signs are indicating that we are living in the last days.

 

Garbage.
NM, you bang on about 'science', 'accurate', etc.
Sinc the NWT is clearly adulterated, created by liars, a deliberate distortion of Scripture, yet you refuse to condemn it, say smuch about you.
Whenever you bleat tripe using 'accurate' again, all we have to do is show that you endorse the deliberate lies and falsehoods of a cult.
You're not doing too well, NM.
Try thinking scientifically, oplease.

[ippy]

Quite simply there's a significant question mark that needs to be placed against anyone that thinks the bible proves the bible just for starters.

ippy

[Dicky Underpants]

Sinc the NWT is clearly adulterated, created by liars, a deliberate distortion of Scripture, yet you refuse to condemn it, say smuch about you.
Whenever you bleat tripe using 'accurate' again, all we have to do is show that you endorse the deliberate lies and falsehoods of a cult.

The situation becomes even more bizarre when we find that NM endorses the New World 'Translation' as accurate, whilst he - by his own admission - finds the beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses who 'translated' it to be "not without errors".

Since we know that our Nick has even less knowledge of Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek than the NWT 'translators', and disagrees with some of their doctrines, we can only conclude that he is a divinely inspired prophet. Or maybe not.