The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[Dicky Underpants]

Shouldn't the last few posts be preceded by: 'this is what Jesus is supposed to have said'?

Regards ippy.

I had in fact written "according to Luke"
Things have moved on quite a bit since these posts, but I thought I'd mention that when I quote the Bible to show NM that it contradicts some of his weird beliefs, I'm not going to precede every quote with cautionary qualifications, such as:
"some bloke traditionally supposed to have been the disciple Luke, but since the gospel manuscripts are anonymous most likely wasn't, wrote that some wandering preacher called Jesus (who may or may not have existed) and whom the writer in question thought divine, supposedly said (according to his memory and/or reports of what this wandering preacher was supposed to have said at the time....).
I thought it was well known by now that I'm hard agnostic/atheist (according to how you define these things), so if I quote the Bible,  all those provisos should be understood.

[Anchorman]

The situation becomes even more bizarre when we find that NM endorses the New World 'Translation' as accurate, whilst he - by his own admission - finds the beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses who 'translated' it to be "not without errors".

Since we know that our Nick has even less knowledge of Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek than the NWT 'translators', and disagrees with some of their doctrines, we can only conclude that he is a divinely inspired prophet. Or maybe not.

......er.....

[NicholasMarks]

Anchorman/Littleroses/Dicky/ippy...

Remember the bit about loving our neighbors, and our enemies, Anchorman. You can't condemn people using such hostility and be considered righteous...nor can you condemn the Holy Bible as having no relationship with science when Almighty God's and Jesus' righteous word is filled with intrigues that only science can explain...things like...In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth...we can qualify this a little further because he also says...in the beginning was the word. So this could easily be transposed into...in the beginning Almighty God devised a science that explains everything about our universal existence and Jesus delivered that science to us in a righteous way which starts and ends with the simple fact that we can harness the same energy that Jesus Christ harnessed for his resurrection...but the science  is within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and whilst many are being delivered to the threshing floor, we can lift up our hearts knowing that Jesus Christ and Almighty God will intercede if we call upon the name of Jesus because we know him and have learnt his ways so that we can be a part of his righteous science.

 

[Anchorman]

Anchorman/Littleroses/Dicky/ippy...

Remember the bit about loving our neighbors, and our enemies, Anchorman. You can't condemn people using such hostility and be considered righteous...nor can you condemn the Holy Bible as having no relationship with science when Almighty God's and Jesus' righteous word is filled with intrigues that only science can explain...things like...In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth...we can qualify this a little further because he also says...in the beginning was the word. So this could easily be transposed into...in the beginning Almighty God devised a science that explains everything about our universal existence and Jesus delivered that science to us in a righteous way which starts and ends with the simple fact that we can harness the same energy that Jesus Christ harnessed for his resurrection...but the science  is within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and whilst many are being delivered to the threshing floor, we can lift up our hearts knowing that Jesus Christ and Almighty God will intercede if we call upon the name of Jesus because we know him and have learnt his ways so that we can be a part of his righteous science.

 

NM: Had you looked at the links I posted, you will have noted that one of the liars behind the NWT said, in a court of law - in Glasgow - under oath - that he was fluent in Greek, Hebrew, Latin and French.
When presented with a text from Scripture in Hebrew THE FOLLOWING DAY in court, he admitted he couldn'r translate it at all.
That text, NM, was from Genesis.
Lying under oath makes him a liar and a perjurer....bearing false witness.
You really trust a scripture tranhslated by a liar who couldn't read Hebrew?
How did he translate the Scripture, then?
What 'accurate  scientific electrically dynamic' method did he use?
How, NM, can a person who did not know Hebrew translate Hebrew?
If he lied, that makes him a liar.
I don't condemn him; he condemned himself by his actions.
So; how can you trust a Scripture translated by a proven liar, NM?
How can that be an 'accureate' translation in any way, shape or form?

[NicholasMarks]

NM: Had you looked at the links I posted, you will have noted that one of the liars behind the NWT said, in a court of law - in Glasgow - under oath - that he was fluent in Greek, Hebrew, Latin and French.
When presented with a text from Scripture in Hebrew THE FOLLOWING DAY in court, he admitted he couldn'r translate it at all.
That text, NM, was from Genesis.
Lying under oath makes him a liar and a perjurer....bearing false witness.
You really trust a scripture tranhslated by a liar who couldn't read Hebrew?
How did he translate the Scripture, then?
What 'accurate  scientific electrically dynamic' method did he use?
How, NM, can a person who did not know Hebrew translate Hebrew?
If he lied, that makes him a liar.
I don't condemn him; he condemned himself by his actions.
So; how can you trust a Scripture translated by a proven liar, NM?
How can that be an 'accureate' translation in any way, shape or form?

So...you have identified an unchristian Christian...I would like to know more but there are many people in many different congregations who defy God in this way. It doesn't alter, one iota that the Jehovah's Witnesses I meet are very righteous, very honest and very committed...as Jesus was.

[Enki]

So...you have identified an unchristian Christian...I would like to know more but there are many people in many different congregations who defy God in this way. It doesn't alter, one iota that the Jehovah's Witnesses I meet are very righteous, very honest and very committed...as Jesus was.

Unlike you, both my wife and I have met some particularly 'unrighteous' JWs. My wife particularly has seen the catastrophic effect of their 'unrighteousness' on one notable occasion some years ago when she was a nurse.

[NicholasMarks]

Unlike you, both my wife and I have met some particularly 'unrighteous' JWs. My wife particularly has seen the catastrophic effect of their 'unrighteousness' on one notable occasion some years ago when she was a nurse.

We all have bad experiences with different people enki. We must always remember that Jesus Christ's righteous code is built upon how we handle our inner strength. It is an invisible inner property that needs constant righteous care so that we don't waste it and aren't drawn into emotional black-holes where arguments and ill-feeling can fester. Jesus Christ covers all points including how evil will dispose of you if you fall foul of their machinations...but resurrection is possible when we get it right.

[Anchorman]

So...you have identified an unchristian Christian...I would like to know more but there are many people in many different congregations who defy God in this way. It doesn't alter, one iota that the Jehovah's Witnesses I meet are very righteous, very honest and very committed...as Jesus was.

Regardless of the failings of the JW cult, and, NM, my experience of their 'witness' has been less than savoury:
Again: how can you possibly trust a version of Scripture which was translated from the Hebrew and Greek by someone who did not know Hebrew and lied under oath in a court of law?
You have not answered my question.
How can you trust a version of Scripture reviled by all - repeat ALL - experts in Hebrew anf Greek- without exception?
How can you trust a cult which calls itself Christian yet takes the words of a respected scholar an Grrek and twists them to mean the opposite?
Isn't that duplicity and deceit from a group calling itself Christian?
What does that say about their 'accuracy'?

[Anchorman]

"Jesus Christ covers all points". Does that include putting your trust in a translation created by people who bore false witness and lied in court?

[NicholasMarks]

"Jesus Christ covers all points". Does that include putting your trust in a translation created by people who bore false witness and lied in court?

You are choosing to ignore Anchorman that the Holy Bible is written in a universal langguage which presents a science of love, caring, reppentance and salvation...this is very different to all other languages which are full of animosity...even hatred, so, it doesn't take much effort to interpret Jesus Christ. What he is telling us is that by storing the natural energy within us we walk in the opposite direction of those other languages and inherit meekness which is a property required to receive our inheritance. That is a one to one thing because we each will have to stand for our individual sins and if we are antirighteous I'm afraid we will be found unsuitable for the promised  new heavens and new Earth.

[Roses]

You are choosing to ignore Anchorman that the Holy Bible is written in a universal langguage which presents a science of love, caring, reppentance and salvation...this is very different to all other languages which are full of animosity...even hatred, so, it doesn't take much effort to interpret Jesus Christ. What he is telling us is that by storing the natural energy within us we walk in the opposite direction of those other languages and inherit meekness which is a property required to receive our inheritance. That is a one to one thing because we each will have to stand for our individual sins and if we are antirighteous I'm afraid we will be found unsuitable for the promised  new heavens and new Earth.

A universal language? Oh NM, you don't half spout some nonsense. The documents making up that book have been translated into many different languages, and some translations are dubious apparently. The documents are open to many interpretations, some of which are really way out like your own!

By the way if you had a child in need of a blood transfusion to save its life would you object to it being carried out?

[Anchorman]

You are choosing to ignore Anchorman that the Holy Bible is written in a universal langguage which presents a science of love, caring, reppentance and salvation...this is very different to all other languages which are full of animosity...even hatred, so, it doesn't take much effort to interpret Jesus Christ. What he is telling us is that by storing the natural energy within us we walk in the opposite direction of those other languages and inherit meekness which is a property required to receive our inheritance. That is a one to one thing because we each will have to stand for our individual sins and if we are antirighteous I'm afraid we will be found unsuitable for the promised  new heavens and new Earth.

 


     You, NM, are blithely choosing to ignore the fact - FACT - NM, accurate, scientific fact - that we have literally hundreds of manuscripts of the New Testament in Koine Greek - and Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic copies of Old Testament Manuscript fating from the earliest times.
Indeed, the earliest NT MSS'S fragment we have dates to less than fifty years after the Resurrection.
Those who are gifted in linguistics translate those MSS into the Bible we have.
That, NM, has always been the case - do you think Scripture arrived in a black leather binding in English by pure magic?
When a liar admits they don't know Hebrew, but translated Hebrew, would you trust him?
Really?
If you answer yes, then your garbage about 'accuracy' is shown as tripe of the highest order and you make a mockery, both of the Gospel and those gifted in REAL science who translate it today.

Incidentally, NM; why do you fail to provide verifiable evidence to substantiate your assertions? Do you think waffling on will disguise the fact that you either cannot, or will not, do so?
Why do you evade my question as to submitting yourself to your church elders - as per scripture?
You went on about Constantine.
The Scripture - NM - from the Bible - predates Constantine by three centuries.
You claim to urge people to follow Christ accurately but fail to do so yourself.
There's a word for that, NM - a word Christ Himself used.

[NicholasMarks]

 


     You, NM, are blithely choosing to ignore the fact - FACT - NM, accurate, scientific fact - that we have literally hundreds of manuscripts of the New Testament in Koine Greek - and Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic copies of Old Testament Manuscript fating from the earliest times.
Indeed, the earliest NT MSS'S fragment we have dates to less than fifty years after the Resurrection.
Those who are gifted in linguistics translate those MSS into the Bible we have.
That, NM, has always been the case - do you think Scripture arrived in a black leather binding in English by pure magic?
When a liar admits they don't know Hebrew, but translated Hebrew, would you trust him?
Really?
If you answer yes, then your garbage about 'accuracy' is shown as tripe of the highest order and you make a mockery, both of the Gospel and those gifted in REAL science who translate it today.

Incidentally, NM; why do you fail to provide verifiable evidence to substantiate your assertions? Do you think waffling on will disguise the fact that you either cannot, or will not, do so?
Why do you evade my question as to submitting yourself to your church elders - as per scripture?
You went on about Constantine.
The Scripture - NM - from the Bible - predates Constantine by three centuries.
You claim to urge people to follow Christ accurately but fail to do so yourself.
There's a word for that, NM - a word Christ Himself used.

I will tell you plainly again Anchorman that Jesus Christ is the only high official in Almighty God's righteous organisation we need to address. Many past Christian leaders and many today are and have been hypocrites and have in their false disguise manipulated people to feed the machinations of tyrants and their demonic thinkers so, to be certain, it is best to follow Jesus first, who guides those who follow him into righteous truth. Righteousness is a code, a spiritual code, and delivers the Holy Spirit for our guidance and I personally have found this much more rewarding, as the science proves.

[Anchorman]

That's your answer? not only is it not plain, it does not answer the points I made - not a single one. By your failure to answer even one, you show that your arguments are not worth debating, your empty waffling withou substantive evidence, and your personal failure to follow the accurate teaching you ask others to follow speaks volumes, NM.

[Roses]

NM you never answer the questions asked of you, you just say the same nonsensical things over and over again. 

[Enki]

We all have bad experiences with different people enki. We must always remember that Jesus Christ's righteous code is built upon how we handle our inner strength. It is an invisible inner property that needs constant righteous care so that we don't waste it and aren't drawn into emotional black-holes where arguments and ill-feeling can fester. Jesus Christ covers all points including how evil will dispose of you if you fall foul of their machinations...but resurrection is possible when we get it right.

f course we all have bad experiences with different people. However we were talking about JWs in particular, and the very sad and avoidable result my wife witnessed was purely down to their beliefs.

The rest of your proselytising is of no significance to me, I'm afraid. And if you are saddened by the fact that I am not responding to your offers of help in saving me from my 'unrighteousness' then may I politely suggest that you take heed of your own advice and don't let it bother you too much. After all you don't want your own 'inner strength' to be wasted by being 'drawn into emotional black-holes where arguments and ill-feeling can fester.'

[torridon]

Jesus Christ covers all points including how evil will dispose of you if you fall foul of their machinations...but resurrection is possible when we get it right.

I don't get this.

Remind me, the passage of scripture where Jesus explains 'how evil will dispose of you'

Secondly, if there is a heavenly father, then surely he would save everyone, not just those lucky enough to have 'got it right' and not 'fallen foul' of 'their machinations', whatever that means.

Plain English, please, none of your electronic stuff.

[ippy]

No one will be getting through to Nick, unfortunately for him he is just as his postings convey.

ippy

[Anchorman]

No one will be getting through to Nick, unfortunately for him he is just as his postings convey.

ippy

Oh, God, I hope not.
(That's a prayer, not an exclamation....)

[ippy]

Oh, God, I hope not.
(That's a prayer, not an exclamation....)

I do think Nick's a reasonable person outside of his religious standpoint and the only thing that could help him is an injection of humour in an attempt to make him laugh at himself.

It'd take someone like Billy Connolly, or someone with as similar outlook on life and humour to straighten Nick out, I'd like to see him brought round, I think he's worth the effort.

If anyone does manage to bring him around let's hope his manages to dispose with his rather senseless and soppy with it type of christian belief, I don't think anyone will pull him around completely, he'll always remain a believer in one religion or another.

Regards ippy.

[NicholasMarks]

ippy/Anchorman/torridon/enki/Littleroses...

You are all missing the point...Jesus Christ taught the way of Almighty God. It will not change and that is because it is structured from the fundamental forces of the entire universe and brings everyone onto a single path...This path is genetically rewarding to each and everyone of us because it engages us in the language of righteousness, 'being kind to our neighbours and, thereby, being kind to ourselves' because this hidden spiritual food is controlled by our righteous attitude. Evolution is the direct opposite to this. By struggles and despair life has swerved away from its original state when life had plenty of electrical stimulus, but now even human life must manage on fewer living-cell generators which gave us our health. The only way to correct this imbalance is to fellow special laws...the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

Unfortunately Jesus warned us of a cut-off point...a natural event that will determine who can be saved and who can't. This event is illustrated in Revelation and is coming into our lives now. Whilst you dispute what is staring you  in the face your governments are taking it very seriously indeed because amid lies and deceit and manipulation, they are not telling you what is going on...and to see through these deceits we must go to where we are told absolute truth...the Holy Bible...but read what Almighty God and Jesus Christ tell us not what overpaid clergy tell us, and what Jesus told us is go back to his original teaching just as he told the seven churches in Asia...and thereby be saved.

[torridon]

ippy/Anchorman/torridon/enki/Littleroses...

You are all missing the point...Jesus Christ taught the way of Almighty God. It will not change and that is because it is structured from the fundamental forces of the entire universe and brings everyone onto a single path...This path is genetically rewarding to each and everyone of us because it engages us in the language of righteousness, 'being kind to our neighbours and, thereby, being kind to ourselves' because this hidden spiritual food is controlled by our righteous attitude. Evolution is the direct opposite to this. By struggles and despair life has swerved away from its original state when life had plenty of electrical stimulus, but now even human life must manage on fewer living-cell generators which gave us our health. The only way to correct this imbalance is to fellow special laws...the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

Unfortunately Jesus warned us of a cut-off point...a natural event that will determine who can be saved and who can't. This event is illustrated in Revelation and is coming into our lives now. Whilst you dispute what is staring you  in the face your governments are taking it very seriously indeed because amid lies and deceit and manipulation, they are not telling you what is going on...and to see through these deceits we must go to where we are told absolute truth...the Holy Bible...but read what Almighty God and Jesus Christ tell us not what overpaid clergy tell us, and what Jesus told us is go back to his original teaching just as he told the seven churches in Asia...and thereby be saved.

So how exactly do you know that the government is taking this seriously ? It seems to me the UK government at least is more preoccupied with Brexit currently.  Is that all some kind of front so that we don't notice our real impending doom ?

[Roses]

ippy/Anchorman/torridon/enki/Littleroses...

You are all missing the point...Jesus Christ taught the way of Almighty God. It will not change and that is because it is structured from the fundamental forces of the entire universe and brings everyone onto a single path...This path is genetically rewarding to each and everyone of us because it engages us in the language of righteousness, 'being kind to our neighbours and, thereby, being kind to ourselves' because this hidden spiritual food is controlled by our righteous attitude. Evolution is the direct opposite to this. By struggles and despair life has swerved away from its original state when life had plenty of electrical stimulus, but now even human life must manage on fewer living-cell generators which gave us our health. The only way to correct this imbalance is to fellow special laws...the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

Unfortunately Jesus warned us of a cut-off point...a natural event that will determine who can be saved and who can't. This event is illustrated in Revelation and is coming into our lives now. Whilst you dispute what is staring you  in the face your governments are taking it very seriously indeed because amid lies and deceit and manipulation, they are not telling you what is going on...and to see through these deceits we must go to where we are told absolute truth...the Holy Bible...but read what Almighty God and Jesus Christ tell us not what overpaid clergy tell us, and what Jesus told us is go back to his original teaching just as he told the seven churches in Asia...and thereby be saved.

The Government is taking your nonsense seriously, REALLY? 

[NicholasMarks]

So how exactly do you know that the government is taking this seriously ? It seems to me the UK government at least is more preoccupied with Brexit currently.  Is that all some kind of front so that we don't notice our real impending doom ?

You too torri have ignored all the chemtrails that have been poured out above your head for a very long time now. The very same phenomenon that has many observers, including respectable and responsible scientists, outraged, globally. The very same reason that we cannot see stars in their natural setting anymore. The very same reason that will soon injure our health in serious and significant ways...all to hide a Biblically described celestial event which has been selling luxury bunkers in the US like hotcakes...you really must tune in to it all torri before it's too late. But if you will be guided by Jesus Christ...you will have much less to get too concerned about because his teaching offers resurrection, if and when required.

 

[torridon]

You too torri have ignored all the chemtrails that have been poured out above your head for a very long time now. The very same phenomenon that has many observers, including respectable and responsible scientists, outraged, globally. The very same reason that we cannot see stars in their natural setting anymore. The very same reason that will soon injure our health in serious and significant ways...all to hide a Biblically described celestial event which has been selling luxury bunkers in the US like hotcakes...you really must tune in to it all torri before it's too late. But if you will be guided by Jesus Christ...you will have much less to get too concerned about because his teaching offers resurrection, if and when required.

What have chemtrails got to do with anything ?  They are caused by civil aviation, nothing remarkable about that, not like it has gotten so bad that the skies are blocking out the stars.

How do you know the government is taking your claims seriously ? What evidence do you have of that ?