The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ

[Roses]

Littleroses/Stranger/Anchorman/ekim/torri...

I know it's hard when your own little bubble bursts...but think of it this way...All those victims in Gosport...all those violated in the Catholic orphanages...all those who have been deceived by unscrupulous dealings...all those who have turned to Jesus Christ for help in their most tragic times...times attributable to men doing devious things against innocent people...they will all be dealt with in one fowl swoop...in the twinkling of an eye...and that moment is recorded in Revelation 21:8.

Now, there is no harm in telling you how to be saved, but it could be greatly harmful if you refuse to listen. This is what Jesus Christ tells us...Though he has been our saviour from the day of his resurrection...he is certainly our saviour now, in our darkest hours...and resurrection with a wonderful science to support it is well worth exploring...but explore it quickly because Wormwood has no brakes.

The only harm would come to anyone  who takes your garbage seriously, it would screw their mind up. It is clear to us all you haven't clue what you are talking about. You obviously have no actual scientific knowledge, your idea of science has nothing to do with the subject. You are clearly living in a fantasy land of your own making, which is as far removed from reality as it is possible to be.

I think I have asked this question before but will ask it again, although will not hold my breath in expectation of answer. How do people of your acquaintance in real life regard you and your weird faith, which has nothing at all to do with Christianity?

[Anchorman]

That is true, up to a certain point torri, the key word being...his...His children listen to his word and are not guided by wolves in sheep clothing. Revelation 21:8 clearly defines those who Almighty God is at odds with and these he will not save. They can however repent and be saved which means there is sufficient time left to harness a righteous spirit...but...be warned...the no hopers will do everything in their power to prevent you. Taking in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is a guarantee devoid of chance...and the science just confirms that fact.




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"....saved and harness a righteous spitit."
Oh, 'eck.
Your theology is as skewewd as your science.
Scripture - you know, that thing you bang on about - says
"There is none righteous - no, not even one."
Salvation won't make us righteous.
Christ is our righteousness.
No pseuscientific gobbledeggoj will suffice, here.
No daft re-writing of Scripture.
We are put right with God by Christ's action on Calvary, pure and simple.
That's basic Christianity 101.
I know atheists don't accept this - I'm fine with that; I respect their choice.
But for the Christian, even after we accept Christ, we are not, by ourselves righteous, nor can we be so.
Only Christ in us - by the Holy Spirit, third person of the Triune God, can help us try, but not achieve, righteousness. We cannot be perfect by ourselves, but will be perfected in time by the only One who is perfect.
That's without scientific wibble or pseudeotheological claptrap.
Simply very basic Christian theology.

[NicholasMarks]

Stranger/torri/Anchorman/Littleroses...

Science is science...The problem arises when we don't look it square in the eye and twisting the Holy Bible out of the equation is doing just that. Anyone who has embraced the Holy Bible honestly knows that it is written from a knowledge base that passeth all understanding. It is a scientific knowledge base and by faith we can attach ourselves to that science...receive all its benefits...and start upon a voyage that will deliver everlasting life. The science will go along the same lines that I have presented here but it is Jesus Christ who we need to be following...that way we alter our own attitudes...make ourselves harmonious with all our neighbours...become more caring, kinder people, and open up the door to repair and resurrection...and it can't fail.

There is so much more to tell you...especially about my latest project...but you are unreceptive...and that isn't my fault...though time is of the essence.

[Anchorman]

Stranger/torri/Anchorman/Littleroses...

Science is science...The problem arises when we don't look it square in the eye and twisting the Holy Bible out of the equation is doing just that. Anyone who has embraced the Holy Bible honestly knows that it is written from a knowledge base that passeth all understanding. It is a scientific knowledge base and by faith we can attach ourselves to that science...receive all its benefits...and start upon a voyage that will deliver everlasting life. The science will go along the same lines that I have presented here but it is Jesus Christ who we need to be following...that way we alter our own attitudes...make ourselves harmonious with all our neighbours...become more caring, kinder people, and open up the door to repair and resurrection...and it can't fail.

There is so much more to tell you...especially about my latest project...but you are unreceptive...and that isn't my fault...though time is of the essence.

   
Science is indeed science, NM.
Congratulations!
When are you going to start studying it?

[Stranger]

Science is science...

Yes it is and it's a subject that it is quite obvious you know exactly nothing about.

Why go on pretending? You are fooling nobody.

The problem arises when we don't look it square in the eye and twisting the Holy Bible out of the equation is doing just that.

The bible is not about science and if you'd read it (which I frankly doubt you have, given the nonsense you talk about it) and knew anything about science (which you obviously don't), you'd know that.

FFS get an education.

Anyone who has embraced the Holy Bible honestly knows that it is written from a knowledge base that passeth all understanding.

If it's a knowledge that "passeth all understanding", nobody's going to be able to understand it, are they? You really haven't given this any thought, have you?

It is a scientific knowledge...

You obviously wouldn't know scientific knowledge if you saw it.

...but you are unreceptive...and that isn't my fault...

It is actually. What do you expect when you dishonestly pretend to have knowledge that you clearly don't and spout meaningless bullshit?

[Roses]

Stranger/torri/Anchorman/Littleroses...

Science is science...The problem arises when we don't look it square in the eye and twisting the Holy Bible out of the equation is doing just that. Anyone who has embraced the Holy Bible honestly knows that it is written from a knowledge base that passeth all understanding. It is a scientific knowledge base and by faith we can attach ourselves to that science...receive all its benefits...and start upon a voyage that will deliver everlasting life. The science will go along the same lines that I have presented here but it is Jesus Christ who we need to be following...that way we alter our own attitudes...make ourselves harmonious with all our neighbours...become more caring, kinder people, and open up the door to repair and resurrection...and it can't fail.

There is so much more to tell you...especially about my latest project...but you are unreceptive...and that isn't my fault...though time is of the essence.

Don't bother none of us are in the least bit interested.

[NicholasMarks]

In a classroom of students you find some kinder than others...some who have difficulty learning...some who try hard and some who don't try at all...these, latter students can be very disruptive and prefer to belittle and ridicule the teacher...some teachers make the grade and others don't. It seems that any group of people have similar characteristics and there is no exception here but the Holy Bible is a self driving force if we follow Jesus Christ accurately...so your arguments are against him...I'm just an interpreter of the spoken truth of the Holy Bible...and all the scientific leads exposed by the Holy Bible unify beautifully if we allow them to.

[Stranger]

In a classroom of students you find some kinder than others...some who have difficulty learning...some who try hard and some who don't try at all...

I'm guessing you're not aware of the irony here.

[NicholasMarks]

I'm guessing you're not aware of the irony here.

Of course I am Stranger...I have a wonderful science and a limited time to deliver it whilst you think you have all the time in the world. You see...those that oppose righteousness are saying that all the screaming and shouting, distress and corruption in the world is acceptable whilst Almighty God and Jesus Christ say it isn't. That God has put off his Final Judgement till such a time that all the natural events mentioned in Revelation swing into force. He calls them great tribulations and we are well into them.  The threat today is the same as on the same day it was delivered...repent else take the natural consequences of not being ready. I'm just urging you all to be ready.

[Sebastian Toe]

He calls them great tribulations and we are well into them.

Details?
Is there a list?
 What has been ticked off from it so far?
 What is left?

[Shaker]

Of course I am Stranger...I have a wonderful science and a limited time to deliver it

It's not seeming that limited, if I'm honest.

[Stranger]

Of course I am Stranger...

Clearly not.

...I have a wonderful science...

No you don't. The irony is that you are thinking of yourself as a teacher when it is perfectly clear that you have made no effort at all to learn what science even means. It's a subject that requires study and effort. If you have ever even tried to study science it must be the case that you found it too difficult or didn't try, so pretending the role of teacher of the subject is laughable.

...and a limited time to deliver it whilst you think you have all the time in the world.

It has nothing to do with how much time we have; meaningless bullshit containing science words will never turn into actual science even if we have an infinite amount of time.

You see...those that oppose righteousness...

To the extent you regard honesty to be "righteousness", it is you who are opposing it. You know nothing about science are are pretending that you do.

I'm just urging you all to be ready.

No you aren't - you're trying to persuade us that you know about science when you don't. This is just your own self-aggrandisement.
 

[Anchorman]

In a classroom of students you find some kinder than others...some who have difficulty learning...some who try hard and some who don't try at all...these, latter students can be very disruptive and prefer to belittle and ridicule the teacher...some teachers make the grade and others don't. It seems that any group of people have similar characteristics and there is no exception here but the Holy Bible is a self driving force if we follow Jesus Christ accurately...so your arguments are against him...I'm just an interpreter of the spoken truth of the Holy Bible...and all the scientific leads exposed by the Holy Bible unify beautifully if we allow them to.

   



OK;
So you're a student.

Yes, I know that's not what you meant, but iy'll do for now.
Umpteen posts ago I asked you, NM, to provide evidence for the oppression of Israel in Egypt.
You ducked and dodged the issue so often I thought you  were a politician.
Cards on the table.
I HAVE studied - long and hard.
My degree is in Egyptology, NM - that's why I asked you to actualy engage indiscussion; you did not.
Yes, I'm flippant - and rightly so. You've been told - too often - that the Bible is NOT -repeat NOT - evidence for the Bible.
You've been told to treat the apocalyptic Scriptures with reverence, yes, but with caution.
You've been told - by posters on this board who have degrees in physics, chemistry and other branches of science that your witterings are simply nonsense, with absolutely no evidence to back them up.
You've been asked - politely - to come up with peer reviewed evidence to back your ideas of 'science' up.
Can I please ask you aquestion?
Why can't you do so?
Do you have some problem with your search engine?
Or is it, NM, as I suspect, that you can produce nothing bar your musings, imaginings, speculation and jargon to back your posts?
I've asked you - twice - to read C.S. Lewis.
You have not responded. Pity; dated as he is, he can mananage to get through his apologetics without complicating it with science.
OK; let's try another author: a scientist - physicist and astrophyisicist Professor Alisttair McGrath.
He's writteb extensively on science, the cosmos ans the dynamics of physics - as a committed Christian.
Have you read any of HIS work.
There you go:
three challenges for you;
A) once and for all, produce peer reviewed evidence.
B) cut the technobabble - it doesn't enhance your argument.;
and
C) read those two authors.
Not much to ask, is it?

[NicholasMarks]

Anchorman...

Can't you see the irony of your own words, Anchorman...I  say read the Holy Bible as a true and honest rendition of God's and Jesus Christ's word and you want me to read anything but. I want you to see the scientific proof gleaned from the Holy Bible that a wonderful dynamic energy is responsible for the existence of God and the teaching of Jesus and you want to take me to task about a common Biblical concept that oppression is at the root of all distress and Jesus came to us to teach us how to escape oppression...a point well proven to me in my scientific inquiry. I say that the Holy Bible proves the Holy Bible because millions of adherents have been transformed by its teaching...a scientific principle that whether Moses, Jesus Christ, or Almighty God does it it achieves a powerful scientific result. Most of your Egyptian rulers had a spiritual guise because they knew they could harness many unwilling workers by fear and priestly deceit...but who cares?? Almighty God and Jesus Christ do and because they care, I do too.
You can keep your world of deceit, corruption, power hungry causes of great distress...I want honesty, truth, justice, fairness, good will, and a ruler who warns us of hidden dangers rather than ones who hide them, pretend they aren't happening and endorse even greater distress much of which we have touched on here.

 

[Nearly Sane]

Anchorman...

Can't you see the irony of your own words, Anchorman...I  say read the Holy Bible as a true and honest rendition of God's and Jesus Christ's word and you want me to read anything but. I want you to see the scientific proof gleaned from the Holy Bible that a wonderful dynamic energy is responsible for the existence of God and the teaching of Jesus and you want to take me to task about a common Biblical concept that oppression is at the root of all distress and Jesus came to us to teach us how to escape oppression...a point well proven to me in my scientific inquiry. I say that the Holy Bible proves the Holy Bible because millions of adherents have been transformed by its teaching...a scientific principle that whether Moses, Jesus Christ, or Almighty God does it it achieves a powerful scientific result. Most of your Egyptian rulers had a spiritual guise because they knew they could harness many unwilling workers by fear and priestly deceit...but who cares?.? Almighty God and Jesus Christ do and because they care, I do too.
You can keep your would of deceit, corruption, power hungry causes of great distress...I want honesty, truth, justice, fairness, good will, and a ruler who warns us of hidden dangers rather than ones who hide them, pretend they aren't happening and endorse even greater distress much of which we have touched on here.

Unpleasant, arrogant and evasive post. You owe Anchorman an apology.

[NicholasMarks]

Unpleasant, arrogant and evasive post. You owe Anchorman an apology.

I apologise to anyone and everyone who find my posts unpleasant, arrogant and evasive. It's just that I support Biblical teaching to the hilt and perhaps sometimes my enthusiasm overpowers my pen.

[Nearly Sane]

I apologise to anyone and everyone who find my posts unpleasant, arrogant and evasive. It's just that I support Biblical teaching to the hilt and perhaps sometimes my enthusiasm overpowers my pen.

To avoid sounding that way you need to respond to the points made not just ignore them to repeat yourself. It's good that you have apologised but if you continue to ignore what people actually write, it's hollow.

[Anchorman]

Can I point out, as a Christian, NM, that both the authors I cited are themselves very committed Christians, the latter, McGrath, both a Christian and very well respected scientist...respected both by Christians and non-Christians alike? That's why I suggest you read them. You clam inspiration from Scripture? So did they - and their books are both inspiring and thought provoking, and, in the case of McGrath, backed up with subsyantive, scientific fact. Your apology is accepted. Your abject failure to respond to my points is not.

[NicholasMarks]

Can I point out, as a Christian, NM, that both the authors I cited are themselves very committed Christians, the latter, McGrath, both a Christian and very well respected scientist...respected both by Christians and non-Christians alike? That's why I suggest you read them. You clam inspiration from Scripture? So did they - and their books are both inspiring and thought provoking, and, in the case of McGrath, backed up with subsyantive, scientific fact. Your apology is accepted. Your abject failure to respond to my points is not.

I find that the Holy Bible contains all the intellectual inspiration I need Anchorman. I briefly looked at Mr McGrath FRSA on wiki and I have no doubt that he is an upstanding man with strong Christian beliefs who has taken Richard Dawkin to task but my interest is deeper than these things. I have witnessed how peoples health fails them in certain environments where the type of emotional oppression I describe is overwhelming and I have seen how health and emotional stability can be corrected when the correct Christian attitude is applied...so I am a little reluctant to accept that a world in the state ours is in has any answers...intellectual or otherwise, other than what Jesus Christ offers and if you don't mind I will follow his lead...especially on a forum section that wants to discuss things about Jesus.

 

[torridon]

I find that the Holy Bible contains all the intellectual inspiration I need Anchorman. I briefly looked at Mr McGrath FRSA on wiki and I have no doubt that he is an upstanding man with strong Christian beliefs who has taken Richard Dawkin to task but my interest is deeper than these things. I have witnessed how peoples health fails them in certain environments where the type of emotional oppression I describe is overwhelming and I have seen how health and emotional stability can be corrected when the correct Christian attitude is applied...so I am a little reluctant to accept that a world in the state ours is in has any answers...intellectual or otherwise, other than what Jesus Christ offers and if you don't mind I will follow his lead...especially on a forum section that wants to discuss things about Jesus.

Truth is, you more or less completely ignore Jesus, the words and sentiments attributed to him, in favour of Revelation, whose author is not known.  A true follower of Jesus would take their primary inspiration from the gospels, not the deranged apocalyptic writings of Revelation.  You are outed by your obvious bias. 

[Stranger]

...a point well proven to me in my scientific inquiry.

You appear to be a totally dishonest and arrogant individual. It is obvious you have no idea at all what a scientific enquiry involves. Why lie?

[ekim]

Truth is, you more or less completely ignore Jesus, the words and sentiments attributed to him, in favour of Revelation, whose author is not known.  A true follower of Jesus would take their primary inspiration from the gospels, not the deranged apocalyptic writings of Revelation.  You are outed by your obvious bias.

That would be my observation, too.

[Roses]

NM is living in a world of fantasy, reality doesn't appear to impinge on his thought processes.

[Anchorman]

What 'scientific inquiry' NM? You have shown not the slightest evidence of any scientific, or, dare I say, historical knowledge? Oh, you've posted a couple of YouTube sites from rather....er...quirky sources, but that does not amount to inquiry. What are your qualifications? From what institution? Many Christians - very sincere in their commitment to Christ - are REAL scientists, clinicians, arcvhaeologists, historians. Not one has come up with the stuff you're coming up with as an interpretation of Scripture. Many have indeed used science to validate, evaluate and confirm their faith ....but not at the expense of compromising either their science or, indeed, faith. You seem to manage to do both and blithely dail to give evidence for your reasoning beyond Scripture. SCRIPTURE IS NOT EVIDENCE FOR SCRIPTURE. It isn't supposed to be; nor was it meant to be. Please - for once - enter into the spirit of debate and produce some evidence for your reasoning beyond your rather superficial musings.

[Stranger]

What 'scientific inquiry' NM? You have shown not the slightest evidence of any scientific, or, dare I say, historical knowledge? Oh, you've posted a couple of YouTube sites from rather....er...quirky sources, but that does not amount to inquiry. What are your qualifications? From what institution?

Qualifications in science? He doesn't even know the difference between force and energy, of course he doesn't have any qualifications.