Repent the end is nigh

[floo]

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[Brownie]

Agree the end has been nigh for a long time so I take no notice of it.  The idea for Christians (who are Christ's disciples) is that we should always be prepared in the sense of doing our best and then not worry about it but, certainly, there are those who constantly feel Armageddon is imminent and see all sorts of signs.  I'm not one of them!  There have always been 'signs'.  Makes for good literature with TV mini-series spin offs.

[Brownie]

Do you remember the 'Left Behind' books?  I never read any of them but years ago, when you and I posted on some now defunct forums, the young posters enthused about them.  I wonder what they think now (would love to know how they are all getting on, they were such fun).

Tim LaHaye, who wrote the series, died recently.

[Alien]

The end has been nigh for a very long time. I remember the sandwich board men strutting their stuff with this message when I was a kid in the 50s. Whenever there is a national or world crisis the end times merchants get very excited, proclaiming the problems we are experiencing are predicted, although you have to have a very vivid imagination to interpret the Biblical verses they are suggesting refer to whichever crisis we are living through! Remember Harold Campion, who predicted the end of the world erroneously on at least three occasions, and still had the gullible believing him?

Jesus suggested the end times would happen in the lifetime of his disciples. If he couldn't get it right who could?

I think the end timers get a real kick out of scaring people with their nonsense.

It looks like this thread has died a death. Let's see if we can breathe a bit of life into it.

Where did Jesus suggest the end times would happen in the lifetime of his disciples, Floo?

[ekim]

It looks like this thread has died a death. Let's see if we can breathe a bit of life into it.

Where did Jesus suggest the end times would happen in the lifetime of his disciples, Floo?

I suspect that she is referring to Matt 24:34.

[Dicky Underpants]

I suspect that she is referring to Matt 24:34.

And:

[27]" For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done.
[28] Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
Matt 16
 
Also
[63] But Jesus was silent. And the high priest said to him, "I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God."
[64] Jesus said to him, "You have said so. But I tell you, hereafter you will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven."
Matt 27

[NicholasMarks]

And:

[27]" For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done.
[28] Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
Matt 16
 
Also
[63] But Jesus was silent. And the high priest said to him, "I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God."
[64] Jesus said to him, "You have said so. But I tell you, hereafter you will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven."
Matt 27

Of course we all seem to ignore the statement made by Jesus...No one knows the day or the hour...not even the son of man only the father who is in Heaven.

Jesus spelt out a way of life that fitted every generation since and the Judgment that was served at the end of everyones life since is delivered by whether we were reborn in the flesh as Jesus was, except, that we are reborn to new vessels, in a new generation. This is what Jesus meant when he snatched the keys of life and death out of the hands of Satan. No one needed to fear death anymore beccause Jesus had made it obsolete...except, of course, those that refuse to upbuild within themselves a righteous spirit, modelled on our saviour.

This is the last age...even though we can't be 100%, all the Biblical signs are pointing us in that direction. Now...the low morals, the contempt for righteousness, the vile things happening worldwide, the cooling off from righteous good order are all telling me that that period when all who ever livd are being brought back to the flesh for the Great Judgment is happening now.

Just because you have no knowledge of your previous life doesn't mean it isn't happening. YouTube events tell us that the memory doesn't linger into adulthood...but its time to realise that by ignoring righteousness...which is being nice to our neighbours and following Jesus accurately...we are being particularly spiteful and selfish to ourselves.

 

[Hope]

The end has been nigh for a very long time.

Has it?  What's 2000 years in 4.5 billion?  According to my computer calulator its something like 5 x 10^-5%.  (I think that was the correct number of decimal points.)

Jesus suggested the end times would happen in the lifetime of his disciples.

But he also says that only the Father knows the timing and the original Greek of the passage you paraphrase is, apparently, not as definitive as it appears in some English translations - and your very use of 'suggested' indicates that you realise that.

I think the end timers get a real kick out of scaring people with their nonsense.

I'd agree that anyone - such as the JWs and the odd off the wall Christian sects - who seek to predict the end-times are as barmy as a scientist who tries to predict the point in time that the earth will become uninhabitable - either as a result of our sun exploding or its cooling down.

[Hope]

And:

[27]" For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done.
[28] Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
Matt 16

And that is meant to provide a definitive timing for the end times, DU?

[Hope]

I reckon if Christianity is still being practised 2000 years hence some will still be predicting the end times are imminent. Of course one day our world will end through natural processes, nothing to do with any god.

Unless, of course, said god is the moving opower behind the universe

[Alien]

“Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” quoted in Matthew, Mark and Luke I believe.

And why do you think that refers to his second coming rather than the fall of Jerusalem (AD 70)?

[trippymonkey]

WELLL You've seen what happens with that game Chinese Whispers & that's in just minutes !!!

[torridon]

And why do you think that refers to his second coming rather than the fall of Jerusalem (AD 70)?

Because that is what the text makes clear ?

Matt 24 is a direct response to a direct question - "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your [second] coming and of the end of the age"

[Brownie]

Well floo I've done what you said in your opening post and repented - nothing happens, so then I have to repent again the next day.   Should I continue in the same vein?

[Brownie]

Thank you  .

[Dicky Underpants]

Of course we all seem to ignore the statement made by Jesus...No one knows the day or the hour...not even the son of man only the father who is in Heaven.

Well, since you seem to have some vested interest in believing what Jesus is supposed to have said, I need to point out to you again that it is clear that he claimed to know the extent of the period available (several decades), whilst not knowing the day or the hour. And yes, I know all your nonsense about people being resurrected to see the last judgment etc. That's been just one way for many religious sects to get round the inconvenience of what the texts actually say.

[Dicky Underpants]

And that is meant to provide a definitive timing for the end times, DU?

As Floo says, no one can be certain of what Jesus said about anything. However, it seems that you like to think that the whole lot recorded must have some true significance, provided you interpret it correctly. That however is your problem. Since I don't believe the scriptures contain any prophetic truth on these matters, I don't consider it a problem of mine.

This subject has been pretty much done to death here before, but the texts quoted make it pretty plain that Jesus' synoptic journalists believed that the End was not far away: Jesus tells a group that some of them will still be alive to see it (are they still alive now, perchance?); he tells the High Priest that he himself will see it (ah! but he can be resurrected can't he? ) and he says the present generation he is speaking to will not pass away until all the 'signs' occur (but there we've got to provide a different translation for 'generation' haven't we - that will help make the problem go away). Furthermore, we have Paul saying exactly the same thing in his early epistle to the Thessalonians, and even in his last, to the Romans - so the idea was obviously deeply ingrained in the teaching of the early Christians.

The unthinkable thing for believers is that Jesus might have been wrong, and that would never do - hence the devious exegeses, eisegeses, twisting, turning, extrapolating out of context, and a decidedly embarrassing reluctance to apply Occam's Razor.

Nevermind, nearly two thousand years on, I'm sure you're quite happy to be one of those wise virgins who kept enough oil for their lamps....

[Hope]

Most people assume it was to do with the second coming. However, we have no idea if what Jesus is quoted as saying was actually said by him at all. No one apparently was writing down what Jesus said when he was alive, and tape recorders hadn't been invented, so it would be hard for anyone to remember word for word exactly what was said. How many of us could quote accurately a conversation we had last week, let alone remember it years later.

Actually, there is a fairly good chance that what is reported is what was said, Floo.  For one thing, there were sufficient eye-witnesses around at the birth of the church to have been able to ensure the correctness; secondly, whilst it is true that stuff wasn't written down for between 20 and 40 years, there was a church that taught what had been said (and there may even have been a written record that the synoptic gospel writers based their material on to some extent or other - several scholars have suggested this over the years). Unlike the victors in a war, the church were 'all powerless' for the first 300-odd years of its existence and since all the 'Lost Christianities' that folk like Bart Ehrman love so much, date to the 2nd and subsequent centuries, I think we can be pretty confident that the really early church was the real thing.

[Hope]

Well, since you seem to have some vested interest in believing what Jesus is supposed to have said, I need to point out to you again that it is clear that he claimed to know the extent of the period available (several decades), whilst not knowing the day or the hour. And yes, I know all your nonsense about people being resurrected to see the last judgment etc. That's been just one way for many religious sects to get round the inconvenience of what the texts actually say.

DU, whilst many believe(d) that he was referring to the 2nd Coming, most of the passages in which he talks about this event run in parallel with references to the destruction of the Temple.  It is interesting that this second event did occur within decades, suggesting that this interpretation does have mileage.  It is also worth remembering that he pointed out that a 1000 years is but a mere blip in God's 'economy', so that reference to decades could be to God's timings not humans'.

[Sassy]

We have been in the last days since the time of Christ.
You need to study the seasons and the feasts to understand where we are.
So the end is nigh for all in each century for that is the last chance now to know Christ and be saved.

[Aruntraveller]

We have been in the last days since the time of Christ.
You need to study the seasons and the feasts to understand where we are.
So the end is nigh for all in each century for that is the last chance now to know Christ and be saved.

Are translations available?

Really. This is the kind of gibberish that the writers of Dr Who invoke when they are trying to get out of time paradoxes they have previously created.

Cue for: Accusations of taking this out of context, not understanding the Lord or the Bible, etc. Blah.

It might do for a TV scifi series. It's of no use here.

[Sassy]

Are translations available?

Really. This is the kind of gibberish that the writers of Dr Who invoke when they are trying to get out of time paradoxes they have previously created.

Cue for: Accusations of taking this out of context, not understanding the Lord or the Bible, etc. Blah.

It might do for a TV scifi series. It's of no use here.

Your ignorance is deafening but you admitting you haven't a clue is all that is required.
Excuses we have all heard before the excuses of man without the knowledge to answer the post he is referring to.
Commenting on / insulting the person whilst you acknowledge you have no understanding of what has been said.
When in reality all you have done is let everyone know you are ignorant on the subject of the last times and the teachings of the bible.
Why come out with all that rubbish and why pretend it actually does anything for you intellectually?
When everyone who knows anything about the last times and the seasons/feast of the bible knows the connection?
Why not admit you are ignorant of these events and study rather than insult someone  out of your ignorance.
Seems you just shot yourself in the foot but are numb to the fact.

[Aruntraveller]

Your ignorance is deafening but you admitting you haven't a clue is all that is required.
Excuses we have all heard before the excuses of man without the knowledge to answer the post he is referring to.
Commenting on / insulting the person whilst you acknowledge you have no understanding of what has been said.
When in reality all you have done is let everyone know you are ignorant on the subject of the last times and the teachings of the bible.
Why come out with all that rubbish and why pretend it actually does anything for you intellectually?
When everyone who knows anything about the last times and the seasons/feast of the bible knows the connection?
Why not admit you are ignorant of these events and study rather than insult someone  out of your ignorance.
Seems you just shot yourself in the foot but are numb to the fact.

I didn't insult you Sassy - I said you had written gibberish on a par with that found in Dr Who. A lot of people I  know would take that as a compliment.

But I would ask you to look at your last sentence again as it makes no sense: 

So the end is nigh for all in each century for that is the last chance now to know Christ and be saved.

 

I can't comment constructively on something that is incoherent. What I can do is point out to you that it is incoherent. No insult - just trying to help you out old gal.

[Anchorman]

Point of information: The Doctor Who gibberish is of a very high standard, wheras.......er..... Hi. TV!

[jeremyp]

DU, whilst many believe(d) that he was referring to the 2nd Coming, most of the passages in which he talks about this event run in parallel with references to the destruction of the Temple.  It is interesting that this second event did occur within decades, suggesting that this interpretation does have mileage.  It is also worth remembering that he pointed out that a 1000 years is but a mere blip in God's 'economy', so that reference to decades could be to God's timings not humans'.

This is such bullshit, I'm surprised you are not embarrassed by writing it.

You sound like a little child who has been caught out lying trying to justify themselves. "Yes, when I said "decade" I secretly meant 10,000 years".

Jesus was talking to people, human beings, not God. If he was giving them time scales that have a particular meaning to human beings, he was either using those terms in the way the humans expected or he was being incredibly stupid. If you want to get an idea across, you don't invent your own language to do it.