Author Topic: The True Meaning of Strong Faith (Read 7245 times)

The cartoon explains it perfectly well.

When people claim to have strong faith, what they mean is that they are good at ignoring rational argument and evidence.

jeremyp · « **Reply #9 on:** September 24, 2016, 03:43:50 PM »

Interesting that the faithiests are all whining that they can't understand a perfectly obvious cartoon.

BashfulAnthony · « **Reply #10 on:** September 24, 2016, 05:59:24 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on September 24, 2016, 03:43:50 PM

Interesting that the faithiests are all whining that they can't understand a perfectly obvious cartoon.

They aren't all whining: I'm not, but then, I didn't bother to look at it!

Brownie · « **Reply #11 on:** September 24, 2016, 08:48:39 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on September 24, 2016, 03:43:50 PM

Interesting that the faithiests are all whining that they can't understand a perfectly obvious cartoon.

Who is whining?

Sassy · « **Reply #12 on:** September 25, 2016, 12:04:45 AM »

Quote from: jeremyp on September 24, 2016, 03:42:21 PM

The cartoon explains it perfectly well.

When people claim to have strong faith, what they mean is that they are good at ignoring rational argument and evidence.

What exactly is it, which you thought you understood about faith?

Faith is the willingness to think and act on the basis of what we know of God, (however, little that may be) and to TRUST him, that he will not let us down.

Jesus 'n' mo did not discuss faith.

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Jesus: " What exactly do you mean when you say your faith is "strong"?
Mo: That we are STEADFAST in our BELIEFS.
Jesus:That we DO NOT FLINCH WHEN FACE WITH LOGICAL REFUTATION.
MO: Nor do we bend in the face of contradictory evidence.

Jesus: So in the contest of FAITH, "Stength really means "unwillingness to admit you are mistaken"
MO: Pretty Much.
Jesus: Faith is....
Mo: Never having to say you're wrong.

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Logical refutation.
Contradictory Evidence.
Unwillingness to admit you are mistaken.
Never having to say you're wrong.

When it comes to the existence of God do any of the above exist?

If atheist believe they do, they have greater faith than Christians.
May be that is the only thing that the cartoon actually nailed to the mast.

ippy · « **Reply #13 on:** September 25, 2016, 05:35:51 PM »

"The True Meaning of Strong Faith"

Those that are totally taken in.

ippy

BashfulAnthony · « **Reply #14 on:** September 25, 2016, 08:09:35 PM »

Quote from: ippy on September 25, 2016, 05:35:51 PM

"The True Meaning of Strong Faith"

Those that are totally taken in.

ippy

Totally taken in? Have you any verifiable evidence for that???

ippy · « **Reply #15 on:** September 25, 2016, 10:05:35 PM »

Quote from: BashfulAnthony on September 25, 2016, 08:09:35 PM

Totally taken in? Have you any verifiable evidence for that???

Yes, the word faith, those stricken with faith take whatever faith it happens to be, without verifiable evidence, thus the words taken on faith, means they are accepted without verifiable evidence and this amounts to being totally taken in, by, in most cases the irrational.

ippy

P S Verifiable evidence, couldn't resist.

BashfulAnthony · « **Reply #16 on:** September 26, 2016, 02:40:59 AM »

Quote from: ippy on September 25, 2016, 10:05:35 PM

Yes, the word faith, those stricken with faith take whatever faith it happens to be, without verifiable evidence, thus the words taken on faith, means they are accepted without verifiable evidence and this amounts to being totally taken in, by, in most cases the irrational.

ippy

P S Verifiable evidence, couldn't resist.

That verifiable evidence is not verifiable evidence. It is your opinion, not verifiable evidence, So, have a think, and then come up with some actual verifiable evidence, so that I don't have to ask again for verifiable evidence.

Best wishes, verifiable evidence seeker.

SusanDoris · « **Reply #17 on:** September 26, 2016, 06:24:23 AM »

BA

What verifiable evidence do you have that you have not been totally taken in?

BashfulAnthony · « **Reply #18 on:** September 26, 2016, 08:14:00 AM »

Quote from: SusanDoris on September 26, 2016, 06:24:23 AM

BA

What verifiable evidence do you have that you have not been totally taken in?

Because I normally deal with verifiably sensible people who share my views, and not with the strangely, verifiably obsessed, on this forum.

Samuel · « **Reply #19 on:** September 26, 2016, 01:20:36 PM »

Its a fun cartoon, and it did make me laugh, but I think its rather narrow in its conception of what 'faith' means. It basically reduces to the question of whether god exists. Rational argument and scientific interrogation say no, so having strong faith is an untenable position blah blah blah

Except people don't have faith to be determinedly self-deluded. In my experience strong faith is usually the result of people's experience. In other words it works for them so they're sticking with it. That's why its so impervious to typical debate-style discourse. Its foundation is something felt, rather than understood.

At least that's how my wife tells it. I wouldn't know.

Sassy · « **Reply #20 on:** September 27, 2016, 03:29:56 AM »

Quote from: SusanDoris on September 26, 2016, 06:24:23 AM

BA

What verifiable evidence do you have that you have not been totally taken in?

The evidence of the things coming to pass, the things God foretold.
God doing all the things he says he would. Jesus Christ, is one of those verifiable evidences.
Unless you have evidence which is beyond any doubt that he was not the Son of God or the Promised Messiah.

God, Christ, Bash and myself already know that you do not.

torridon · « **Reply #21 on:** September 27, 2016, 07:28:55 AM »

Quote from: Sassy on September 27, 2016, 03:29:56 AM

The evidence of the things coming to pass, the things God foretold.
God doing all the things he says he would. Jesus Christ, is one of those verifiable evidences.
Unless you have evidence which is beyond any doubt that he was not the Son of God or the Promised Messiah.

God, Christ, Bash and myself already know that you do not.

Circular reasoning, unsupported assertions and the negative proof fallacy all squeezed into three lines; are you going for some kind of anti-record here ? this is a masterclass in how not to think and reason.

BashfulAnthony · « **Reply #22 on:** September 27, 2016, 08:35:51 AM »

Quote from: torridon on September 27, 2016, 07:28:55 AM

Circular reasoning, unsupported assertions and the negative proof fallacy all squeezed into three lines; are you going for some kind of anti-record here ? this is a masterclass in how not to think and reason.

Classic stuff! When you read a post you cannot sensibly answer, just make a blanket denunciation!

Aruntraveller · « **Reply #23 on:** September 27, 2016, 09:09:54 AM »

Quote from: BashfulAnthony on September 27, 2016, 08:35:51 AM

Classic stuff! When you read a post you cannot sensibly answer, just make a blanket denunciation!

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BashfulAnthony · « **Reply #24 on:** September 27, 2016, 09:38:51 AM »

Quote from: Trentvoyager on September 27, 2016, 09:09:54 AM

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Don't be so puerile.

Three - saves you the time.

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Author Topic: The True Meaning of Strong Faith (Read 7245 times)