New UKIP leader

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Brexit seems not too bad as long as we don't trigger article 50

[BashfulAnthony]

I don't think that any other democratically-based organisation would have accepted such a small majority as a reason to - to all intents and purpioses - change their constitution.  As such, I'd suggest that it was a highly undemocratic vote from the outset, whether one believes the right or wrong side won.  At the same time, I'm not convinced that anyone won, because the divisions that have ensued are doing v...

This is a democracy.  The winner in a vote is the one who gets most votes, whether that be one vote, or, as in this case, one and a quarter million votes.  I don't recollect such comments as yours being expresses before the Referendum.  It seems it's the typical and predictable response of the loser, to cry foul!  It's over; Brexit won: get over it.

[floo]

UKIP is a nasty racist party and I believe the new woman in charge is a Farage clone by all accounts!

[Aruntraveller]

I don't recollect such comments as yours being expresses before the Referendum.

No as I recall it was Mr Farage who did that with him saying that if remain won by 52-48 it would be unfinished business. In other words he wouldn't have accepted the vote.

Sauce for the goose and all that.

[BashfulAnthony]

UKIP is a nasty racist party and I believe the new woman in charge is a Farage clone by all accounts!

I expect she's scum, eh?

[Brownie]

A bit strong Anthony.  She's just a person like anyone else but one with particularly forceful views which, unlike most, she is prepared to put into action.  Don't know how bright she is.  I've been reading about her and now I do remember having seen her on TV, on Question Time, a while back but didn't remember her name.

[Bubbles]

I caught a speech by her on the TV, it seems UKIP now see themselves as the only viable opposition party.

Labour being busy with its own fracas what with Corbyn being asked to step down and the ongoing hoo-haa.


She seems a bit too forceful and dictatorial for my taste, perhaps the word is revolutionary.

What ever it is, she makes me uneasy.

 

[Bubbles]

A bit strong Anthony.  She's just a person like anyone else but one with particularly forceful views which, unlike most, she is prepared to put into action.  Don't know how bright she is.  I've been reading about her and now I do remember having seen her on TV, on Question Time, a while back but didn't remember her name.

I think he is just teasing Floo about her term " evil scum"  for people she doesn't like much 

[wigginhall]

I enjoyed her 'kiss' with Farage.  She looked like she was eating a wasp, and swallowing a lemon.   

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2016/09/look-amazing-and-horrifying-image-nigel-farage-trying-kiss-new-ukip-leader

[Bubbles]

I enjoyed her 'kiss' with Farage.  She looked like she was eating a wasp, and swallowing a lemon.   

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2016/09/look-amazing-and-horrifying-image-nigel-farage-trying-kiss-new-ukip-leader

If you scroll down further there are some comparisons that made me smile, Jabba the Hutt and Alien.

[BashfulAnthony]

No as I recall it was Mr Farage who did that with him saying that if remain won by 52-48 it would be unfinished business. In other words he wouldn't have accepted the vote.

Sauce for the goose and all that.

All the anti-Farage  posters have no hesitation in quoting him when it suits them!  It is of no consequence anyway.  It is not up to him to decide anything.  Once again:  the Referendum is over:  Brexit won.

[Brownie]

When I saw the word, "Fracas" in one of your previous posts, Rose, on first sight I thought it was something else!  Phew, what a relief. (I did get what BA meant about floo and 'scum'.)

Yes she does seem dictatorial.

The kiss with Farage was magical, Wigginhall.  I could just imagine Titanic-style romantic music playing   .

[floo]

Many Germans thought Hitler was an ok guy, and we know how that turned out. I am of the opinion Farage and those who support UKIP, because of its racist spiel, are in the same mould!

[BashfulAnthony]

Many Germans thought Hitler was an ok guy, and we know how that turned out. I am of the opinion Farage and those who support UKIP, because of its racist spiel, are in the same mould!

What a silly comment!

[floo]

Sieg Heil!

[BashfulAnthony]

Sieg Heil!

So, Now it's clear!!  You're Nazi sympathiser are you, eh!  And you pretending to be anti-Farage!!!!!!!  I am totally shocked!!

[jeremyp]

All the anti-Farage  posters have no hesitation in quoting him when it suits them!  It is of no consequence anyway.  It is not up to him to decide anything.  Once again:  the Referendum is over:  Brexit won.

Brexit might have won but Brexiters have lost, just like everybody else.

[BashfulAnthony]

Brexit might have won but Brexiters have lost, just like everybody else.

Sure, Brexiters won. and I'm sure UK will prove to be winners in the fullness of time.  I am not a pessimist, like you;  I talk up our country, and with good justification.

[floo]

Brexit might have won but Brexiters have lost, just like everybody else.

Exactly!

[jeremyp]

Sure, Brexiters won.

The terms in which you are thinking are too narrow. Yes, they won the vote by a very narrow majority, but actually, they have lost, just like everybody else. They are just too stubborn to see it yet.

and I'm sure UK will prove to be winners in the fullness of time.

In the fullness of time, the UK will be a small unremarkable inward looking country consisting of just England and Wales with no great ambitions.

I am not a pessimist, like you;  I talk up our country, and with good justification.

I'd rather not talk up a nation that is turning its back on the wider World.

[Hope]

This is a democracy.  The winner in a vote is the one who gets most votes, whether that be one vote, or, as in this case, one and a quarter million votes.  I don't recollect such comments as yours being expresses before the Referendum.  It seems it's the typical and predictable response of the loser, to cry foul!  It's over; Brexit won: get over it.

Sorry, BA, but if you look at a whole host of organisations, from Trades Unions to big Business, constitutional issues are never decided on a 50%+1 basis.  I would have argued the same had the Remain campaign 'won', because I was campaigning for a more definitive 'majority' requirement long before the event. 

[BashfulAnthony]

Sorry, BA, but if you look at a whole host of organisations, from Trades Unions to big Business, constitutional issues are never decided on a 50%+1 basis.  I would have argued the same had the Remain campaign 'won', because I was campaigning for a more definitive 'majority' requirement long before the event.

Hope,

The Referendum was conducted on the understanding that a simple majority would win the day.  It's no use complaining now.  I was not aware of any significant argument against the method beforehand.

[Hope]

Sure, Brexiters won. and I'm sure UK will prove to be winners in the fullness of time.  I am not a pessimist, like you;  I talk up our country, and with good justification.

The problem is that, if things go as it looks they might, we could be a 'winner' in a vastly de-powered world economy.  Brexiters said that this coulkd all be sorted in a year or two.  Even if Cameron had traiggetred Article 50 on the day after the result, it looks increasingly as if its going to be a long-drawn out process taking us up to and beyond the next General Election in 2020.

[BashfulAnthony]

The problem is that, if things go as it looks they might, we could be a 'winner' in a vastly de-powered world economy.  Brexiters said that this coulkd all be sorted in a year or two.  Even if Cameron had traiggetred Article 50 on the day after the result, it looks increasingly as if its going to be a long-drawn out process taking us up to and beyond the next General Election in 2020.

We don't know. I doubt anyone does.  It becomes increasingly pointless to speculate, especially as we aren't privy to what may be in the minds of those at the helm.

[Hope]

Hope,

The Referendum was conducted on the understanding that a simple majority would win the day.  It's no use complaining now.  I was not aware of any significant argument against the it. the method beforehand.

Precisely, BA - and it was because of this understanding that I and others campaigned - albeit the campaign got lost in the 'noise' of the rest of the process - that the understanding should be changed. In fact, over the years I and others have spoken to MPs and the Electoral Reform Society about changing the majority required in major votes like this.