New UKIP leader

[jeremyp]

And what religion would that be, jeremy?

There's only one religion in which God is his own son. Here's an anagram to help you work it out: Christainity

[Hope]

There's only one religion in which God is his own son. Here's an anagram to help you work it out: Christainity

Except that God isn't his own son in Christianity - so, try to answer the question again.

[jeremyp]

Except that God isn't his own son in Christianity - so, try to answer the question again.

Yes he is. Surely you have heard of the Trinity?

[BashfulAnthony]

A quick question, BA.  Since a lot of British government is done by unelected civil servants, not MPs, how does our 'democracy' differ from that of the EU?

We don't have a Commission that effectively rules the roost;  and now, at least since Cameron's blessed departure, we don't have a Juncker acting as though the EU is his personal property.  Here civil servants are just that:  they serve the government in power, and provide research, information, etc; but it is the PM and the Cabinet who make decisions.

[jeremyp]

We don't have a Commission that effectively rules the roost;

We have a cabinet that performs the same function.

and now, at least since Cameron's blessed departure, we don't have a Juncker acting as though the EU is his personal property.

We have Theresa May. I don't recollect voting for her. Did you?

[BashfulAnthony]

Clearly vastly more than you. You don't even know who runs the EU.

Rubbish. Juncker has to implement policy in accordance with what the heads of state tell him to do.

It doesn't matter what he says in his speeches, if he is told by the heads of state to do something (or not do something), he has to do it (or not do it).

There's also the small matter that he was appointed by the heads of state. He is accountable to the democratically elected governments of the EU member states.
Stop blaming others for the mess Brexiters have made.

You were the one claiming your belief carried some authority. That makes your belief a legitimate target for attack. If you don't like it, you should have backed up your arguments with more than just your belief.

Not only are you totally naïve about politics and how they work, you are in denial about the Referendum to an extent that is almost alarming.  Here Cameron called the shots, and the Cabinet fell in line, or else.  So it is with the appalling Juncker.  He calls the shots.  Democracy and the EU are contradictions in terms.  Really, get wise!  Cameron, your hero, got us into the "mess";  left no plan, though he stated before-hand that he would see it through whatever the Referendum result, but lied as usual.  It was his duty to provide an exit plan and he failed, and then he cleared off to leave it to others. Half-wits are now busy blaming Brexiters for no plan, but fail to say how they could have developed a plan whilst serving in a Government run by Remainers.  And in your case you are trying to evade the points I have just made by bringing in a complete red herring about my religious beliefs  -  another of your failed obsessions.  You really are scraping the barrel, and making yourself look like a prize idiot.

[jeremyp]

Not only are you totally naïve about politics and how they work,

Unlike you who doesn't even understand the political structure of the EU.

Cameron, your hero, got us into the "mess";

Actually I think he was a fucking idiot. He gambled away the future of Great Britain for internal party politics.

left no plan

He did have a plan: stay in the EU. It's not his job to think of another one when you reject it.

though he stated before-hand that he would see it through whatever the Referendum result

It seems that you and he were the only people in the country who thought he could keep his job following a positive Brexit vote.

but lied as usual.

The Brexit campaign had a bus with the biggest whopper painted on the outside. Don't talk to me about liars.

And in your case you are trying to evade the points I have just made by bringing in a complete red herring about my religious beliefs  -  another of your failed obsessions.  You really are scraping the barrel, and making yourself look like a prize idiot.

I've already told you once: you invoked your beliefs as an authority for one of your points. That makes them fair game to be shot down.

[BashfulAnthony]

Unlike you who doesn't even understand the political structure of the EU.

Actually I think he was a fucking idiot. He gambled away the future of Great Britain for internal party politics.

He did have a plan: stay in the EU. It's not his job to think of another one when you reject it.

It seems that you and he were the only people in the country who thought he could keep his job following a positive Brexit vote.

The Brexit campaign had a bus with the biggest whopper painted on the outside. Don't talk to me about liars.

I've already told you once: you invoked your beliefs as an authority for one of your points. That makes them fair game to be shot down.

I understand perfectly well the structure of the EU, and it's just sad that you try and hide behind that as an argument.  The real crux of this discussion is that you simply do not understand the machinations of politics and politicians which was at the heart of the Referendum.  And as far as whoppers go, well, according to the Cameron/Osborne loony alliance,  Brexit would mean a Third World War, recession, economic collapse, the need for an emergency budget, every family being £4,000 worse off,  etc, etc - how's that for lies to begin with!  So far, the economy is looking up well.  All the Remainers were, and are, a bunch of hysterical scare-mongers.  Fortunately, the British public sees through you.

[Jack Knave]

The real Project Fear was the Brexit campaign's - but I didn't think Trent was pro-Brexit.

The Remainers were project fear!!!

[Jack Knave]

We have a cabinet that performs the same function.
We have Theresa May. I don't recollect voting for her. Did you?

You are a naïve idiot. We can vote those lot out, we can't vote the commission out if we don't like them, and most are not put in by our government.

[Jack Knave]

Unlike you who doesn't even understand the political structure of the EU.

Actually I think he was a fucking idiot. He gambled away the future of Great Britain for internal party politics.

He did have a plan: stay in the EU. It's not his job to think of another one when you reject it.

It seems that you and he were the only people in the country who thought he could keep his job following a positive Brexit vote.

The Brexit campaign had a bus with the biggest whopper painted on the outside. Don't talk to me about liars.

I've already told you once: you invoked your beliefs as an authority for one of your points. That makes them fair game to be shot down.

WUM

[SteveH]

Who cares who the leader of UKRAP is?  They're all as bonkers as each other.

[Hope]

Who cares who the leader of UKRAP is?  They're all as bonkers as each other.

They may be all as bonkers as each other, but they have shifted the balance of power in a way that has seldom been seen before, with large swathes of what used to be either Tory or Labour strongholds now becoming UKIP ones.

[Nearly Sane]

It would appear that the 'new' leader has resigned after 18 days? The return of Nigel?


http://tinyurl.com/h8ozfjm

[L.A.]

It would appear that the 'new' leader has resigned after 18 days? The return of Nigel?


http://tinyurl.com/h8ozfjm

God NO!

Can't we get that bastard extradited to Brussels?

[Brownie]

He's riding high in the USofA at the moment, helping his friend Donald.

[L.A.]

He's riding high in the USofA at the moment, helping his friend Donald.

Any chance they'll keep him?

[floo]

I hope that nasty party disintegrates!

[L.A.]

"UKIP chairman says 'I wouldn’t call it a farce'"

He's might be right;  fiasco?, debacle? . . . probably better words.

[Owlswing]

The NEW Leader has quit!

[Brownie]

Any chance they'll keep him?

  We live in hope, LA but expect he'll be back.  I read late last night that he said he wouldn't be leader of UKIP again for 10m or similar figure.

[floo]

The horrible Farage is back as leader for the time being, now there's a surprise!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37561065

[jeremyp]

It would appear that the 'new' leader has resigned after 18 days? The return of Nigel?


http://tinyurl.com/h8ozfjm

She was offered the job of Guest England Manager for November.

[Brownie]

Are you saying she is an absolute gem of a girl?

[jeremyp]

Are you saying she is an absolute gem of a girl?

No. I don't know her. In fact I wouldn't have known the ex-leader of UKIP is a woman but for the article on the radio this morning saying she has resigned.

I was drawing comparison with a similar short-term job i.e. manager of the England football team. In fact, the comparisons don'r end there. Both jobs involve similarly poisoned chalices.