New UKIP leader

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Yes he is. Surely you have heard of the Trinity?

Yes but yours is a bit of a fundy interpretation............................you'll be handling snakes next.

[Brownie]

Sorry Jeremy, I knew what you meant.  I was playing on: General English Manager - G E M.

[Hope]

The Remainers were project fear!!!

In what way, JK.  I studied a lot of documents and speeches from both sides and was struck by the way in which the Leave Campaign developed and then fed on the reaction to their claims that have since been shown to be untrue.  That seems to be fostering fear to me.

[L.A.]

Yes he is. Surely you have heard of the Trinity?

Big 'G' the late JC and Spooky - 1970's Glam Rock band weren't they?

[floo]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ukips-steven-woolfe-seriously-ill-in-hospital-after-altercation/ar-BBx4g78?ocid=spartandhp

Good grief!

[jeremyp]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ukips-steven-woolfe-seriously-ill-in-hospital-after-altercation/ar-BBx4g78?ocid=spartandhp

Good grief!

I condemn the act of violence that led to this, but I'm sure many of the other MEPs have wanted to punch UKIP MEPs in the face. The very fact that they are still there with their snouts in the EU trough is pretty disgusting.

It's still wrong to resort to physical violence though, no matter how strong the provocation.

[Nearly Sane]

How deeply sad.

[Aruntraveller]

As I understand the news report it was another Kipper that the altercation occurred with.

[Nearly Sane]

And his assailant is apparently called Mike Hookem. Part of me thinks I should find this funny, too silly for words, but I am in the whole 'I am not angry, just disappointed' place. We had an MP shot this year and while you can put that down to a disturbed person, this is, it seems, two elected members of one party having some form of punch up. What are we doing?

[L.A.]

I condemn the act of violence that led to this, but I'm sure many of the other MEPs have wanted to punch UKIP MEPs in the face. The very fact that they are still there with their snouts in the EU trough is pretty disgusting.

It's still wrong to resort to physical violence though, no matter how strong the provocation.

I think it is entirely understandable that people have strong negative feelings against these UKIP idiots who have caused so much damage to both the EU and UK - but getting into a punch-up with them is not the best solution.

[Nearly Sane]

I think it is entirely understandable that people have strong negative feelings against these UKIP idiots who have caused so much damage to both the EU and UK - but getting into a punch-up with them is not the best solution.

Has anyone suggested it is? Nevermind it appears to have been at a UKIP meeting between UKIP MEPs

[Brownie]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ukips-steven-woolfe-seriously-ill-in-hospital-after-altercation/ar-BBx4g78?ocid=spartandhp

Good grief!

I agree, it is quite shocking.  I saw Steven Woolfe on QT recently.

Quite sincerely I hope he recovers but it would be wonderful if he recovered and had a complete change of heart, which does happen.  A man like himself, still just under fifty, would be able to pursue a new career.  We live in hope.  However I wish him a speedy recovery regardless.

[Jack Knave]

In what way, JK.  I studied a lot of documents and speeches from both sides and was struck by the way in which the Leave Campaign developed and then fed on the reaction to their claims that have since been shown to be untrue.  That seems to be fostering fear to me.

You seem to imply that the Leave lot had loads of lies. I would say they had very few. Could you give me a list of the ones you reckon were outright lies?

The Remainers had loads of forecasts that were from lah-lah-land. They all came from the elites who are renown for spin and lies, and these bogus forecasts were all politically motivated.

[Jack Knave]

As I understand the news report it was another Kipper that the altercation occurred with.

I reckon UKIP are ripe for splitting. This is being brewing for years and the sooner the better.

[Jack Knave]

I agree, it is quite shocking.  I saw Steven Woolfe on QT recently.

Quite sincerely I hope he recovers but it would be wonderful if he recovered and had a complete change of heart, which does happen.  A man like himself, still just under fifty, would be able to pursue a new career.  We live in hope.  However I wish him a speedy recovery regardless.

Yes, his new career will be a new political party.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ukips-steven-woolfe-seriously-ill-in-hospital-after-altercation/ar-BBx4g78?ocid=spartandhp

Good grief!

This is deplorable.

[jeremyp]

Has anyone suggested it is? Nevermind it appears to have been at a UKIP meeting between UKIP MEPs

When I heard the story, I assumed it was between Steven Woolfe and an MEP from a pro EU party.

I think that, now the UKIP raison d'être is gone, we'll see more internal fighting, although, hopefully no more literal fights.

[L.A.]

I think this might be the just the fellow that UKIP are looking for:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37584407

 

[Brownie]

And his assailant is apparently called Mike Hookem. Part of me thinks I should find this funny, too silly for words, but I am in the whole 'I am not angry, just disappointed' place. We had an MP shot this year and while you can put that down to a disturbed person, this is, it seems, two elected members of one party having some form of punch up. What are we doing?

I feel like that too.  On QT last night he was talked about a bit and it appears he is recovering well so that's good.    As the fracas was between two UKIP MPs, I couldn't help feeling that the UKIP label of "A party ofoolfe thugs" was appropriate;  probably unfair and as far as we knew UKIP MPs haven't publicly fought amongst themselves before.

Stephen Woolfe is a person of mixed race, I only know that because I looked him up on Wiki after seeing him, and finding him slightly interesting in a sinister sort of way, on Question Time a couple of weeks ago.  I couldn't help wondering if he had risen to such prominence in the party (he was a Tory before that, iirc), because of that, so accusations of racism could be shown to be unfounded.  That's me being cynical.   However it is of note that his black African-American grandfather was not an immigrant.  He may well have lived here for a while, we don't know much about him and, indeed, it's not relevant - to me and probably some others- but may be significant to some.

[Nearly Sane]

And now Steven Woolfe leaving as UKIP in a 'death spiral'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37682828

[Jack Knave]

And now Steven Woolfe leaving as UKIP in a 'death spiral'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37682828

I'm not surprised. UKIP are ripe for splitting.

[Hope]

You seem to imply that the Leave lot had loads of lies. I would say they had very few. Could you give me a list of the ones you reckon were outright lies?

The sums of money that they said would be able to be put into the NHS and other things (figures that were changed within days of the vote: the suggestion that there woul be no problem gaining an agreement with our EU partners 'that were' that was on a par with the pre-vote one.  I never said that they had 'lots of lies' - that's a spin of your own; rather I said that the Leave campaign came up with a handful of ideas, and then reacted to the reactions to these creating fear in the populace as a result.  The 'lots of' was the number of articles, news reports, referendum leaflets and the like that I read and found the Leave campaign's arguments pretty shallow and vague.

The Remainers had loads of forecasts that were from lah-lah-land. They all came from the elites who are renown for spin and lies, and these bogus forecasts were all politically motivated.

I'm not sure that I'd use the terms "renown(ed) for spin and lies" for groups such as the IMF and the OECD, Jack.  Ironically, after a quiet summer, sterling has suffered the drop that was forecast.  No doubt it will recover, but whilst the discussions are on-going (and 2 years in the minimum period for this) - and other financial assitance that had been arranged with the EU as far ahead as 2020 is untangled, sterling will remain unsteady. 

[ProfessorDavey]

You seem to imply that the Leave lot had loads of lies. I would say they had very few. Could you give me a list of the ones you reckon were outright lies?

1. That we 'send' £350m a week to the EU
2. That if we left we could put an extra £350m into the NHS
3. That it is possible to leave the EU, have full control over immigration and remain in the single market.
4. That leaving the EU wouldn't have a detrimental effect on a) the pound, b) UK growth, c) our credit rating etc
5. That Turkey were about to join the EU
6. That we'll be able to sort out preferential trade deals with everyone in no time

etc, etc.

[floo]

1. That we 'send' £350m a week to the EU
2. That if we left we could put an extra £350m into the NHS
3. That it is possible to leave the EU, have full control over immigration and remain in the single market.
4. That leaving the EU wouldn't have a detrimental effect on a) the pound, b) UK growth, c) our credit rating etc
5. That Turkey were about to join the EU
6. That we'll be able to sort out preferential trade deals with everyone in no time

etc, etc.

Those seem like pretty big whoppers to me!

[Anchorman]

I note from BBC Scotland that Coburn's thinking of putting his name forward. Surely not even UKIP would be daft enough to vote for him?