In the words of 'Sparks'when reading them- it got me thinking...

[Sassy]

Nicholas Marks.
Sadly, many, even with good intent, think they are following Jesus but are actually following a misrepresentation of his word. This is where understanding the electric nature of the universe comes in and why few there are that find that path.

How does the individual know the teachings of Christ?

According to Jeremiah it isn't the old way of obeying a written law but by the Truth being within us. The new Covenant according to God by Jesus and the Spirit.
So when Jesus spoke the words of John 16:13 he was clearly telling us that true believers will worship by Spirit and in truth.

Christ also gave clear and concise evidence of what it take to know and love him and the Father and that way is to obey the commandments to love God and others.

The practical way of loving God is believing him, and loving your neighbour means you will not steal from your neighbour, covet his goods or anything belonging to your neighbour. Not doing anything you would not want others to do unto you.

What is wonderful about the miracles of God and the good things Christ gave us and those who believe is that everyone can be healed whether atheist  or believer. That those who believe in Christ by name can do what he did and those who have needs can have them met.

It clear from the disciples and they had to wait for the power of the Spirit in their lives to be able to preach the gospel and do all that Christ did when it came to the Kingdom. But healing and receiving good things from God have always been freely given by him.

Men cling to man made beliefs but neglect the powerful truth that is the Spirit and Truth are the individual way of knowing God and Jesus. So many different thoughts taught but the truth brings it all down to the way of the disciples and the early Church.

Does anyone see what the ways are that are not the ways of Christ?

[floo]

How does the individual know the teachings of Christ?

According to Jeremiah it isn't the old way of obeying a written law but by the Truth being within us. The new Covenant according to God by Jesus and the Spirit.
So when Jesus spoke the words of John 16:13 he was clearly telling us that true believers will worship by Spirit and in truth.

Christ also gave clear and concise evidence of what it take to know and love him and the Father and that way is to obey the commandments to love God and others.

The practical way of loving God is believing him, and loving your neighbour means you will not steal from your neighbour, covet his goods or anything belonging to your neighbour. Not doing anything you would not want others to do unto you.

What is wonderful about the miracles of God and the good things Christ gave us and those who believe is that everyone can be healed whether atheist  or believer. That those who believe in Christ by name can do what he did and those who have needs can have them met.

It clear from the disciples and they had to wait for the power of the Spirit in their lives to be able to preach the gospel and do all that Christ did when it came to the Kingdom. But healing and receiving good things from God have always been freely given by him.

Men cling to man made beliefs but neglect the powerful truth that is the Spirit and Truth are the individual way of knowing God and Jesus. So many different thoughts taught but the truth brings it all down to the way of the disciples and the early Church.

Does anyone see what the ways are that are not the ways of Christ?

All assertions no verifiable evidence to back them up.

[NicholasMarks]

How does the individual know the teachings of Christ?

According to Jeremiah it isn't the old way of obeying a written law but by the Truth being within us. The new Covenant according to God by Jesus and the Spirit.
So when Jesus spoke the words of John 16:13 he was clearly telling us that true believers will worship by Spirit and in truth.

Christ also gave clear and concise evidence of what it take to know and love him and the Father and that way is to obey the commandments to love God and others.

The practical way of loving God is believing him, and loving your neighbour means you will not steal from your neighbour, covet his goods or anything belonging to your neighbour. Not doing anything you would not want others to do unto you.

What is wonderful about the miracles of God and the good things Christ gave us and those who believe is that everyone can be healed whether atheist  or believer. That those who believe in Christ by name can do what he did and those who have needs can have them met.

It clear from the disciples and they had to wait for the power of the Spirit in their lives to be able to preach the gospel and do all that Christ did when it came to the Kingdom. But healing and receiving good things from God have always been freely given by him.

Men cling to man made beliefs but neglect the powerful truth that is the Spirit and Truth are the individual way of knowing God and Jesus. So many different thoughts taught but the truth brings it all down to the way of the disciples and the early Church.

Does anyone see what the ways are that are not the ways of Christ?

An accurate and thought provoking post Sassy...thank you.

[Brownie]

An accurate and thought provoking post Sassy...thank you.

Yes, particularly this:
 
"According to Jeremiah it isn't the old way of obeying a written law but by the Truth being within us. The new Covenant according to God by Jesus and the Spirit.
So when Jesus spoke the words of John 16:13 he was clearly telling us that true believers will worship by Spirit and in truth."

[floo]

And what does that statement actually mean when the so called 'truth' is so elusive?

[SweetPea]

Yes, particularly this:
 
"According to Jeremiah it isn't the old way of obeying a written law but by the Truth being within us. The new Covenant according to God by Jesus and the Spirit.
So when Jesus spoke the words of John 16:13 he was clearly telling us that true believers will worship by Spirit and in truth."

Yes, and this:

Men cling to man made beliefs but neglect the powerful truth that is the Spirit and Truth are the individual way of knowing God and Jesus. So many different thoughts taught but the truth brings it all down to the way of the disciples and the early Church.

[SweetPea]

How does the individual know the teachings of Christ?

According to Jeremiah it isn't the old way of obeying a written law but by the Truth being within us. The new Covenant according to God by Jesus and the Spirit.
So when Jesus spoke the words of John 16:13 he was clearly telling us that true believers will worship by Spirit and in truth.

Christ also gave clear and concise evidence of what it take to know and love him and the Father and that way is to obey the commandments to love God and others.

The practical way of loving God is believing him, and loving your neighbour means you will not steal from your neighbour, covet his goods or anything belonging to your neighbour. Not doing anything you would not want others to do unto you.

What is wonderful about the miracles of God and the good things Christ gave us and those who believe is that everyone can be healed whether atheist  or believer. That those who believe in Christ by name can do what he did and those who have needs can have them met.

It clear from the disciples and they had to wait for the power of the Spirit in their lives to be able to preach the gospel and do all that Christ did when it came to the Kingdom. But healing and receiving good things from God have always been freely given by him.

Men cling to man made beliefs but neglect the powerful truth that is the Spirit and Truth are the individual way of knowing God and Jesus. So many different thoughts taught but the truth brings it all down to the way of the disciples and the early Church.

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Good post Sassy, and I think it deserves to be somewhere else....

[Brownie]

Yes, and this:

Men cling to man made beliefs but neglect the powerful truth that is the Spirit and Truth are the individual way of knowing God and Jesus. So many different thoughts taught but the truth brings it all down to the way of the disciples and the early Church.

Yes!

Also agree with your next post but I wonder where else it (Sassy's post) could go, this is the Christian topic after all.  Maybe the Faith Sharing section?

[torridon]

Men cling to man made beliefs but neglect the powerful truth that is the Spirit and Truth are the individual way of knowing God and Jesus. So many different thoughts taught but the truth brings it all down to the way of the disciples and the early Church.

I think you'll find that all beliefs are 'man-made'.

[Hope]

I think you'll find that all beliefs are 'man-made'.

Do you have any evidence to back this claim up, torri?

[SweetPea]

Yes!

Also agree with your next post but I wonder where else it (Sassy's post) could go, this is the Christian topic after all.  Maybe the Faith Sharing section?

Hi Brownie.... I posted Sassy's OP quote on 'Forum Best Bits'. She has something there, I feel. It's not about dogma, ritual and robes, but about walking in 'Spirit and Truth'. God's Word 'feeds' us, protects us, guides us and strengthens us.... it's all that we need, spiritually. 

[Brownie]

I agree SP.

[torridon]

I think you'll find that all beliefs are 'man-made'.

Do you have any evidence to back this claim up, torri?

Beliefs are part of the portfolio of cognitive traits that characterise humans. I've never heard of an aardvark expressing an opinion or an antelope making an argument in favour ....

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Do you have any evidence to back this claim up, torri?


Beliefs are part of the portfolio of cognitive traits that characterise humans. I've never heard of an aardvark expressing an opinion.............

Although politicians are falling over themselves with what they are calling the concerns of Aardvarking people and their families.

[bluehillside Retd.]

SweetPea,

Good post Sassy, and I think it deserves to be somewhere else....

Yes it does - the Faith Sharing area.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

SweetPea,

Yes it does - the Faith Sharing area.

But isn't this the Christian topic area or have I misunderstood the meaning of Christian topic as being Christian topics rather than ''A board exclusively for non believers to hold forth on christianity''?

Still I suppose it's consistent with your no public forum stance.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

But isn't this the Christian topic area or have I misunderstood the meaning of Christian topic as being Christian topics rather than ''A board exclusively for non believers to hold forth on christianity''?

It's a discussion area - when people have no interest in discussing anything and just want to proselytise instead, there's a place place created for just that purpose

Still I suppose it's consistent with your no public forum stance.

If you're going to keep lying could you at least try to be a bit more clever about it? I've never once thought, said, suggested, implied or otherwise indicated that the religious - or anyone else for that matter - shouldn't be free to say whatever they want. Yet again, you're confusing the right to speak with the right to be listened to - very different things.   

[Sassy]

Good post Sassy, and I think it deserves to be somewhere else....

Sweetpea,

It merits that Christ suffered such an awful death so that we can live and walk in truth.
I am not sure if 'deserves' is the right word but I do hope if anything it will bring the reality to all.
That many will accept the truth that Christ is the Son of God and the way of truth from the bible
to be like the mankind of God throughout history who found that way to their salvation. 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad,

It's a discussion area - when people have no interest in discussing anything and just want to proselytise instead, there's a place place created for just that purpose

If you're going to keep lying could you at least try to be a bit more clever about it? I've never once thought, said, suggested, implied or otherwise indicated that the religious - or anyone else for that matter - shouldn't be free to say whatever they want. Yet again, you're confusing the right to speak with the right to be listened to - very different things.

So we are allowed to discuss Christianity, part of which is conveying Christianity in order to convince others of it's truth except to discuss that part of it?

Whereas we are allowed to persuade of how wrong Christianity is in the hope of persuading others to non belief.

Or is the set up for people like theeself to showboat in front of your mates?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

So we are allowed to discuss Christianity, part of which is conveying Christianity in order to convince others of it's truth except to discuss that part of it?

Whereas we are allowed to persuade of how wrong Christianity is in the hope of persuading others to non belief.

Or is the set up for people like theeself to showboat in front of your mates?

Asking questions, identifying flaws in the argument etc is called discussion or discourse. That’s what this part of the mb is for.

Sassy, Sparky et al are keen to proselytise but have no interest in discussing anything. If you don’t believe me, try asking Sassy for example why she thinks a particular book to be “holy” and inerrant – she’ll just ignore the question entirely, call you a “silly boy” and quote more from the same book.

Incidentally, accusing someone of “showboating” is pretty much the last refuge of the scoundrel here. You make some very bad arguments, others point out why they’re bad, you accuse them of “showboating”. End of discussion.

Doesn’t wash does it.

[jeremyp]

In the words of 'Sparks'when reading them- it got me thinking

This town ain't big enough for the both of us?

[Sebastian Toe]

This town ain't big enough for the both of us?

And it ain't me whose gonna leave!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad,
Asking questions, identifying flaws in the argument etc is called discussion or discourse. That’s what this part of the mb is for.

Sassy, Sparky et al are keen to proselytise but have no interest in discussing anything. If you don’t believe me, try asking Sassy for example why she thinks a particular book to be “holy” and inerrant – she’ll just ignore the question entirely, call you a “silly boy” and quote more from the same book.

Incidentally, accusing someone of “showboating” is pretty much the last refuge of the scoundrel here. You make some very bad arguments, others point out why they’re bad, you accuse them of “showboating”. End of discussion.

Doesn’t wash does it.

Well I have to refer you right back to your ''Discussions'' with Mr Marks which IMHO are ''carried out'' with half an eye and a cheeky wink to your ''oppoes'' in what amounts to the ultimate cheap shot gambit......IMHO.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

Well I have to refer you right back to your ''Discussions'' with Mr Marks which IMHO are ''carried out'' with half an eye and a cheeky wink to your ''oppoes'' in what amounts to the ultimate cheap shot gambit......IMHO.

Evasion noted.

As ever, your personal opinion on the matter is flat wrong.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad,

Evasion noted.

As ever, your personal opinion on the matter is flat wrong.

So when your ''discussions'' are reviewed there will be no hint of ''making fun of''?