Hi Sass
You are conflating democracy and patriotism here:
Patriotism and democracy have about as much to do with each other as electric toasters and dog muck.
I think we can all talk politics but the reality doesn't change.
I am not trying to combine the two at all.
But can a democracy be 'treason minded' and 'patriotic' at the same time?
A man can vote for what is best for themselves or vote for the good of their Country.
As to your comments about people starving on the streets - I trust you are aware that we have a cabinet that is so very representative of the UK population in that they are nearly all millionaires. I am sure that will make them very receptive to the worries of all the other......millionaires. The ability to solve the imbalance in our economy has always lain with us. That we choose not to exercise our democracy in a way that benefits the many is an indictment of the UK - not of the EU.
Do you think I do not understand the difference between need and greed. Between those who have and have not?
Do you not think that Maria Antoinette showed the perfect example of the divide between the have's and have not's?
Had our leaders had any real education or care about the working class, the disabled and the poor then they would have not driven them into the ground and turned our fellow citizens against them, with lies, would they?
I would have hoped my point that we have to look after our own before we allow others here to make it worse or look after.
We do not have the heart of our peoples good at the forefront in the EU and are best out of it, till such times our Government understands they have to make good for their own first.
As to patriotism, others on here have made much of all pulling together. That is fine if you are pulling in the right direction. However if you are heading for some rapids in a canoe surely you would want somebody to say hold on a minute folks I think we should be paddling in the opposite direction.
Would you knowingly put everything in a canoe,all that which our Country stands for and send it over the same rapids with no one able to control it all? You see the EU would mean surrendering control of our country to a body of people who quiet frankly could not run a P'up in a brewery. You would be putting everything we have including our monarchy and it's history in danger by going into the EU and surrendering our identity. We cannot trust our own Government to look after our peoples best interest.
For them it is all about ease to spend their money anywhere they want living off the fat whilst everyone at home suffers because they cannot afford the fat, let alone live off it.
We do what is best for our own and give our surplus to others. Not give everything to someone who will make it worse at home for everyone.
I can only act according to what I believe best for my country - as I have pointed out before to blindly accept everything a government or country does is not patriotism it is instead unthinkingly moronic. Surely if patriotism is to mean anything at all it is that people act in what they consider the best interests of the country, even if they are going against a majority or even if they are wrong.
If, at any time in the history of man there had been a Government anywhere capable of knowing and doing what is best for their Country then would we be here today discussing this? NO!
Like Countries and Governments we ponder what we have and make a decision. Hitler wanted the EU - it basically all about one ruling all. But the only man who ever gave a freedom of choice and a better way that benefits man by power was Jesus Christ.
In his union we would have a world where divine and right choices made for the good of man.
Man today have the
'POWER BLINDNESS' what is best for them here and now and not further down the line.
Hitler had the same problem. He thought he could take by force the world and then turn it in to a one man power centred world. Look where it all ended and at what cost? The lives of millions and in failure.
Every man wants a say in his life and the way his Country is run. The EU would take that away.
We could start a debate and argue that Gods way imposed on all would bring peace and love.
But every man, in different religions see that differently. They see a different way of imposing that; and it hurts others a lot by the evil way some would make that happen.
We need the freedom to chose for our own and the EU won't give us that.
