I find this puzzling from someone who is Christian. IS there a border at the channel that makes others less worthy of consideration?
Well, let's ponder what was actually written then it will show there is nothing honestly puzzling at all in the rightful context it was written in.
Trentvoyager you wrote:As to patriotism, others on here have made much of all pulling together. That is fine if you are pulling in the right direction. However if you are heading for some rapids in a canoe surely you would want somebody to say hold on a minute folks I think we should be paddling in the opposite direction.
MY REPLY.
Would you knowingly put everything in a canoe,all that which our Country stands for and send it over the same rapids with no one able to control it all? You see the EU would mean surrendering control of our country to a body of people who quiet frankly could not run a P'up in a brewery. You would be putting everything we have including our monarchy and it's history in danger by going into the EU and surrendering our identity. We cannot trust our own Government to look after our peoples best interest.
For them it is all about ease to spend their money anywhere they want living off the fat whilst everyone at home suffers because they cannot afford the fat, let alone live off it.
We do what is best for our own and give our surplus to others. Not give everything to someone who will make it worse at home for everyone.
Whilst you deliberate take it out of context the truth is there in the original post for all to see. It bears no resemblance to what you try to turn it into.
It is about Our Country being ruled by us as opposed to being ruled by another power where we have to submit everything we are to them.
I thought that you thought that we are all God's children. So is a beggar on our own streets worth more than a child in Aleppo?
Is Aleppo or any other country to do with the us remaining in the EU and our own rule?
Not sure why you used such a red herring.
As to giving everything to someone else - do you mean the EU here? Because if you do the reason we contributed to the EU wasn't just because we felt like giving money to them it was because we got favourable trading deals which benefitted us. Now you can argue that we need to take another direction because of migration issues or sovereignty issues (although that as far as I am concerned is a complete red herring as we ceded sovereignty to big business long ago) but the issue of money going to the EU was miniscule not to mention being over-exaggerated (that is a 'lie' in plainspeak) in the campaign.
You have to address the point raised not bring up things which are not reflective of our original discussion.
My points were clear... we would have to take care of our own and the point is that we voted to exit the common market.
Once that vote was cast then we have to follow that road and make sure it happens. There is no 'what if's' or maybe's. We are out and our future is to remain out and look after our own.
If you are talking about giving to others (not the EU) who do you mean because you are not clear at this point in your post.
I guess nothing was clear to you. The original post says it all, it is probably our ability as British people to think for ourselves and not be lead by the nose that has made it possible to leave the EU. It is done get over it and learn that you might be brainwashed but someone of us are independent thinkers who know right from wrong. The EU would have been very wrong for this nation on so many levels.
But to bring it back to my original point why does my arguing against the Leave vote make me unpatriotic if I believe, and I do, that it is a bad thing for the UK and its population?
It is about being humble enough to stop stamping your feet because it wasn't what you wanted and being man enough to man up to making the exit and future as good as possible for our nation. It is time to stop professing what you could not have know about the future in Europe and admit, that we can make it on our own no matter. Because being patriotic is about believing in ourselves as well as our Country. The world would still exist without the EU but what makes a country exist is it's people and their abilities. You think the EU is going to fall out with GB or place heavy penalties on us. Let me tell you something. If the EU try that then they will be cutting their nose off to spite their face. Imagine what they do to us coming back a thousand fold to them. It isn't going to happen. Our economy will rise and fall according to the ability to buy and sell. The people who once bought cannot afford to because of our Governments actions against the poorer in our society. They could reap what they sow.
But I believe in time you will see the best thing for our Country was to be out of it.
BY your argument I should shut up and get behind the leaving of the EU - you do see that is a total stifling of my freedom.
Not as stifling as it would be to tell all those who voted for the exit that they are to be denied their democratic right and not have what is rightfully theirs by a just system because someone like yourself feels stifled by losing. What a lame and poor excuse to use the word freedom. You executed that freedom in your right to vote. When you used that freedom you know that the highest vote count would be the successful one. In a vote there has to be losers who have to give the freedom of the winners to have what they voted for.
I think it isn't stifling anything. I believe you are just a sore loser who believes if they stamp their feet long enough and shout someone might give you what you want. But it isn't going to happen. Because that would be unfair and stealing the rights of those who voted honestly to have the outcome the majority wants.
I mean lets have all Christians shut up about their religion on the grounds that they are in a minority in this country. They certainly shouldn't be allowed free places in the HoL.
Did we vote for this? You could apply that frame of thought to anything... steel workers, plumbers, bricklayers.tractor drivers, police officers all about their work. Truth is that voting for the EU has nothing to do with a persons moral rights to freedom of belief and speech. Since it requires no voting for a person to be believe or do the job they do. What would be wrong and is wrong is the implications of what you are implying... The right to take away the freedom of every person to choose their job or their religious belief. And that shows up your belief in the right to take away the freedom of the persons democratic vote
NOT TO forget the injustice, you just don't want them to have their rights. Those who voted for the exit have the right to what they voted for. You do NOT have the right to remove it. Nor do you have the right to reflect your own prejudices onto others.
