God is a Spirit

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky,

That's not what "scientific" means. Try again.

That is a scientific statement saying watch the things I do...I am showing you a science and these are the key principles of that science...and though you are just children in the world of science I will show you anyway and then at the appropriate time those who want to live by this science will have a distinct advantage over Wormwood.

It will be Jesus' science that, like at the end of all our lives, will transform us to healthy, resurrected life-forms, in a new vessel, and in a new age and in a new heaven and new Earth.

 

[SusanDoris]

Nicholas Marks

Just thought you'd like to know that I much appreciate your posts - I don't read them, but they do mean that I have plenty of posts to read from those who respond!!

(P.S. I hasten to add that there is no sarcasm in the above.)

[NicholasMarks]

Nicholas Marks

Just thought you'd like to know that I much appreciate your posts - I don't read them, but they do mean that I have plenty of posts to read from those who respond!!

(P.S. I hasten to add that there is no sarcasm in the above.)

That's ok Susan...I hasten to add that you must read them by default because the responses I get always seem to allude to my points even though often in a negative way...so even you are getting the message.

[Khatru]

Truth is the Atheists, avoid the truth of Christianity, they cannot rate it, because if they wanted to rate it, they would have to become seekers of truth and have a love for the truth. You're avoiding the reality of what and who Christ died for. You place lesser importance on the meaning of life and even make your own life of no value outside your own senses.

That'll be your truth, Sass and not other people's truths?

Using your logic, you are equally unable to rate Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, etc.

[Maeght]

Truth is the Atheists, avoid the truth of Christianity, ..

How can you avoid something which you have no belief in? I was exposed to Christianity as I grew up but I never had any belief in God so there was no avoidance. I know to you Christianity is clearly 'the truth' but it is not top everyone and they aren't avoiding it just have different beliefs or no beliefs.

[NicholasMarks]

How can you avoid something which you have no belief in? I was exposed to Christianity as I grew up but I never had any belief in God so there was no avoidance. I know to you Christianity is clearly 'the truth' but it is not top everyone and they aren't avoiding it just have different beliefs or no beliefs.

That's the point Maeght...you should at least have the interest to explore it to find out why so many want to believe in an all knowing God with a Judgment at the end of his sting.

Perhaps you would then find out...as I did...that what you don't believe in is the iniquity that is being sold as Jesus Christ's word which can be as soft as putty at times when you need to be as hard as nails.

Comparing what is written in the Holy Bible with how it is being taught...using Biblical words but manipulating the message to mean something entirely different...is the test against iniquity...and so you are relieved from your own excuse and can begin exploring the truth instead.

[Sebastian Toe]

That's the point Maeght...you should at least have the interest to explore it to find out why so many want to believe in an all knowing God with a Judgment at the end of his sting.

Perhaps you would then find out...as I did...that what you don't believe in is the iniquity that is being sold as Jesus Christ's word which can be as soft as putty at times when you need to be as hard as nails.

Comparing what is written in the Holy Bible with how it is being taught...using Biblical words but manipulating the message to mean something entirely different...is the test against iniquity...and so you are relieved from your own excuse and can begin exploring the truth instead.

Have you explored Islam Nick?
Truthfully and accurately of course?
Have you found out why so many people want to follow an all  knowing Allah, where The Prophet Muhammad pbuh has reveled His purpose for mankind?

[NicholasMarks]

Have you explored Islam Nick?
Truthfully and accurately of course?
Have you found out why so many people want to follow an all  knowing Allah, where The Prophet Muhammad pbuh has reveled His purpose for mankind?

I'm not going to be drawn into an Islamic debate Seb...I have said all I've got to say on the matter...in fact if you actually read what I said to Maeght, you will have the answer to you own question already.

[Sebastian Toe]

I'm not going to be drawn into an Islamic debate Seb...I have said all I've got to say on the matter...in fact if you actually read what I said to Maeght, you will have the answer to you own question already.

All that shows is that you haven't studied Islam accurately Nick. You could be barking at the wrong moon.

[NicholasMarks]

All that shows is that you haven't studied Islam accurately Nick. You could be barking at the wrong moon.

Your turn of phrase wont alter the simple fact that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life, and this is an absolute because it represents a science which stems from the foundation of the universe...all hinging on a Biblical statement that says...and I quote...God is a spirit, and all that worship him musr do so in spirit and in truth...end quote...This says so much to the skillful eye but perhaps you aren't atuned to these facts Seb...so are unable to be saved...you make a darned good case for yourself for why you shouldn't be.

 

[Sebastian Toe]

Your turn of phrase wont alter the simple fact that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life, and this is an absolute because it represents a science which stems from the foundation of the universe...all hinging on a Biblical statement that says...and I quote...God is a spirit, and all that worship him musr do so in spirit and in truth...end quote...

Unfortunately for you Nick, if you had studied Islam accurately and truthfully then you would realise that the Bible has become corrupted from its original form. All you are doing Nick is believing those brainwashers who have succeeded in your case.
Sorry Nick but thems the facts.

[Sassy]

That'll be your truth, Sass and not other people's truths?

Using your logic, you are equally unable to rate Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, etc.

Having looked into these religions I do rate Judaism. I also believe Hinduism seeks peace on a spiritual level.
But none outside the Jewish faith and Christian show a God active or capable of showing love for humans without
earning it.

My logic is fine because it does not exclude me from seeking truth. I have sought truth in other religions but never found God in them. The beginning of those religions such as Islam and Zoroastrianism have a starting point. The Christian along with the Jewish has it's beginning at the beginning of time.

No God is active in the other faiths. The exceptions being the Christian and Jewish and the Christian is really Jewish.

[Sassy]

How can you avoid something which you have no belief in? I was exposed to Christianity as I grew up but I never had any belief in God so there was no avoidance. I know to you Christianity is clearly 'the truth' but it is not top everyone and they aren't avoiding it just have different beliefs or no beliefs.

And you see a difference do you in those beliefs or do they all come under the same heading?
I see the differences and I also know which contain truth.

[Sebastian Toe]

My logic is fine because it does not exclude me from seeking truth. I have sought truth in other religions but never found God in them.

Just because you have looked and not found doesn't mean that he is not there.
You could simply be looking in the wrong way or without a truly open heart.
You of course will deny this but the possibility is always there.

[Khatru]

My logic is fine because it does not exclude me from seeking truth. I have sought truth in other religions but never found God in them. The beginning of those religions such as Islam and Zoroastrianism have a starting point. The Christian along with the Jewish has it's beginning at the beginning of time.

No God is active in the other faiths. The exceptions being the Christian and Jewish and the Christian is really Jewish.

As we know, there are many different denominations, sects and cults, all calling themselves Christian and all claiming to know the truth.

You'll probably be the first to say that not all of these groups are Christian.  Why? Because in your eyes, they won't know the truth.

How do you know that the reason the truth eluded you in other religions was because you weren't in the right denomination?

[Maeght]

That's the point Maeght...you should at least have the interest to explore it to find out why so many want to believe in an all knowing God with a Judgment at the end of his sting.

Perhaps you would then find out...as I did...that what you don't believe in is the iniquity that is being sold as Jesus Christ's word which can be as soft as putty at times when you need to be as hard as nails.

Comparing what is written in the Holy Bible with how it is being taught...using Biblical words but manipulating the message to mean something entirely different...is the test against iniquity...and so you are relieved from your own excuse and can begin exploring the truth instead.

Not sure how that is 'the point' but anyway .... most atheists have explored Christianity and been exposed to religious teachings but do not believe. That is not avoiding anything as was suggested.

[Maeght]

And you see a difference do you in those beliefs or do they all come under the same heading?
I see the differences and I also know which contain truth.

What's that got to do with what I asked which was about how people who have no believe in God can be avoiding the 'truth' of Christianity?

[NicholasMarks]

As we know, there are many different denominations, sects and cults, all calling themselves Christian and all claiming to know the truth.

You'll probably be the first to say that not all of these groups are Christian.  Why? Because in your eyes, they won't know the truth.

How do you know that the reason the truth eluded you in other religions was because you weren't in the right denomination?

Here is the difinitive proof Khatru...If we are following the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ we are following the truth...If we are following a garbled truth that mixes up what Jesus says for the benefit of congregation gathering or their masters then we are following iniquity...but if the desire to find the truth is great enough we just have to follow Jesus and in so doing we are automatically following a wonderful righteous science that says resurrection is possible.

[Sassy]

Just because you have looked and not found doesn't mean that he is not there.
You could simply be looking in the wrong way or without a truly open heart.
You of course will deny this but the possibility is always there.

Define what 'TRUTH' I could have possibly have missed?
I am the believer you're the atheist. So when it comes to truth about God/gods in religion how would you know I could have missed something? You cannot see truth in any religion so how would you be able to even suggest someone with faith could miss a truth.

It isn't feasible for you to do let alone you suggest you know what another could miss something.

[Sassy]

As we know, there are many different denominations, sects and cults, all calling themselves Christian and all claiming to know the truth.

The Truth that Jesus died and rose from the dead for sinners is the same in denominations, sects and as you call them cults. Anything outside this is not relevant and yet those sects and cults seem to try and divide as you do.

You'll probably be the first to say that not all of these groups are Christian.  Why? Because in your eyes, they won't know the truth.

Christians are those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God, died for sins and rose from the dead. So born of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and truth. What else can define a Christian?
If they don't believe these things how can they be Christian, if they do the rest is immaterial.

How do you know that the reason the truth eluded you in other religions was because you weren't in the right denomination?

It is easy, God reveals himself in the Jewish and Christian religion. STILL waiting for him to turn up in the others.

[NicholasMarks]

Not sure how that is 'the point' but anyway .... most atheists have explored Christianity and been exposed to religious teachings but do not believe. That is not avoiding anything as was suggested.

It is very difficult to find truth in any religion unless they are following the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...that means switching off all the paganism that has infiltrated Jesus Christ's teaching and finding out exactly what he says...then...I suspect...your faith will be restored.

Remember...narrow is the gate but few there are that find it. That 's because they listen to Jesus' words with cotton wool in their ears and are guided by the rule that there is no need to change just go to church....I liken this to the old priest who would sell a place in Heaven to the highest bidder.

[Maeght]

It is very difficult to find truth in any religion unless they are following the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...that means switching off all the paganism that has infiltrated Jesus Christ's teaching and finding out exactly what he says...then...I suspect...your faith will be restored.

I've never had any faith so it can't be restored. If your posts are an example of what you suggest, then you're wrong in what you suspect.

Remember...narrow is the gate but few there are that find it. That 's because they listen to Jesus' words with cotton wool in their ears and are guided by the rule that there is no need to change just go to church....I liken this to the old priest who would sell a place in Heaven to the highest bidder.

No idea what that's supposed to mean.

[NicholasMarks]

I've never had any faith so it can't be restored. If your posts are an example of what you suggest, then you're wrong in what you suspect.

No idea what that's supposed to mean.

I wont believe you are a lost cause Maeght...not until that last trumpet. But if righteousness...or as I like to call it...the cure all of all ills...doesn't catch your imagination, well...maybe I should bear it in mind.

The Holy Bible is a good reference point for Biblical things you don't understand.

[Maeght]

I wont believe you are a lost cause Maeght...not until that last trumpet. But if righteousness...or as I like to call it...the cure all of all ills...doesn't catch your imagination, well...maybe I should bear it in mind.

The Holy Bible is a good reference point for Biblical things you don't understand.

Its not that I don't understand the 'Biblical things', I just don't believe in them. You sound a bit like certain political parties who think the reason they don't get elected is because of how they have communicated their message rather than the message itself. There is nothing in the Bible which effects my status of having no belief in the existence of God or gods.

[NicholasMarks]

Its not that I don't understand the 'Biblical things', I just don't believe in them. You sound a bit like certain political parties who think the reason they don't get elected is because of how they have communicated their message rather than the message itself. There is nothing in the Bible which effects my status of having no belief in the existence of God or gods.

That's ok then Maeght...it begs the question of why you want to explore what others are saying about Almighty God...but we will let that one pass.

From the very first period in time people have been drawn to a concept of a god. There spiritual nature was only too willing to accept the notion of gods...easy pickings for the first scammers.

In Jesus we have our first notion of a righteous God...an advanced God from another world. That God had already drawn together a people from the depths of oppression but now wanted to get down to the serious stuff of showing that the raw material that makes stars could help the oppressed in every generation.

Not for youMaeght  well your no God philosophy is not for me either