God is a Spirit

[torridon]

That's ok then Maeght...it begs the question of why you want to explore what others are saying about Almighty God....

This shouldn't be hard to understand.  Atheists are those people (more or less) who are permanently baffled by theist claims.  Wouldn't you want to ask - why

[floo]

And you see a difference do you in those beliefs or do they all come under the same heading?
I see the differences and I also know which contain truth.

You don't KNOW for a FACT, it is a matter of belief!

[Maeght]

That's ok then Maeght...it begs the question of why you want to explore what others are saying about Almighty God...but we will let that one pass.

From the very first period in time people have been drawn to a concept of a god. There spiritual nature was only too willing to accept the notion of gods...easy pickings for the first scammers.

In Jesus we have our first notion of a righteous God...an advanced God from another world. That God had already drawn together a people from the depths of oppression but now wanted to get down to the serious stuff of showing that the raw material that makes stars could help the oppressed in every generation.

Not for youMaeght  well your no God philosophy is not for me either

I began visiting forums like this to understand more about what and why people believe because, as torridon suggests, I was a bit baffled by religious belief to be honest. I've learnt more about what but not really about why. I also am keen to highlight misunderstandings about science and about what atheism means. I have no issue with people believing stuff so long as accept that it is a belief and not a fact and accept that not everyone believes in what they do.

[Sebastian Toe]

Define what 'TRUTH' I could have possibly have missed?
I am the believer you're the atheist.

Am I?
What makes you think that?
If you cant get that truth correct, what else have you got wrong? 

[Sebastian Toe]

Define what 'TRUTH' I could have possibly have missed?

The TRUTH that God is in fact within another religion, just that you have missed it by not looking correctly or with all your heart.
That TRUTH.

[Sebastian Toe]

So when it comes to truth about God/gods in religion how would you know I could have missed something?

I never said I knew, I said it was a possibility.
Did you read my post?

Here it is here again. I've highlighted the relevant part for the hard of reasoning.

Just because you have looked and not found doesn't mean that he is not there.
You could simply be looking in the wrong way or without a truly open heart.
You of course will deny this but the possibility is always there.

As you can see I NEVER claimed that I 'knew' about any such thing.
I merely pointed out that there was chance that you had missed something and reasons as to why that might be.
You cannot prove that you haven't.

You can huff and puff and bluster and put things in really big type and throw in a few quotes from the bible and tell me how wrong I am, but you cannot prove 100% that you haven't missed something.

PS
 got any further in deciding if the witnesses to the moon landings, ie the guys who actually walked on the moon, took communion on the moon, some used their experiences on the moon to witness for Jesus, are telling the truth or not?
Are they liars?
Sassy?

[NicholasMarks]

I never said I knew, I said it was a possibility.
Did you read my post?

Here it is here again. I've highlighted the relevant part for the hard of reasoning.

As you can see I NEVER claimed that I 'knew' about any such thing.
I merely pointed out that there was chance that you had missed something and reasons as to why that might be.
You cannot prove that you haven't.

You can huff and puff and bluster and put things in really big type and throw in a few quotes from the bible and tell me how wrong I am, but you cannot prove 100% that you haven't missed something.

PS
 got any further in deciding if the witnesses to the moon landings, ie the guys who actually walked on the moon, took communion on the moon, some used their experiences on the moon to witness for Jesus, are telling the truth or not?
Are they liars?
Sassy?

The disbeliever cannot deny that the universe exists and somewhere in the humongus depths of it all lives someone who knows more about it scientifically than anyone else. It can't be anyone on this planet because we can't hop around space as spectacularly as many eye-witness accounts testify that others do. So perhaps this Spiritual being who resides in Heaven is just such a person and can do all the wonderful things he says he can do...and...if we can believe the science that he sends his subjects all around the universe by it  gives us the clue that perhaps we should listen a little more carefully to what he has to say about righteousness and about those who seriously offend righteousness.

[Sebastian Toe]

The disbeliever cannot deny that the universe exists and somewhere in the humongus depths of it all lives someone who knows more about it scientifically than anyone else.

Oh yes they can deny it. Just ask any on this board. See if you are right?
My guess is that you are not.

[NicholasMarks]

Oh yes they can deny it. Just ask any on this board. See if you are right?
My guess is that you are not.

When you start denying something the evidence implicitly supports you are certainly burying your head in a black-hole...Seb.

 

[Sebastian Toe]

When you start denying something the evidence implicitly supports you are certainly burying your head in a black-hole...Seb.

You stated that they would not deny it.
They will.
You were wrong.

[NicholasMarks]

You stated that they would not deny it.
They will.
You were wrong.

Are you denying the universe exists or that there must be higher intelligence in the universe because the evidence of space-vehicles turning up all over the place??

In my scientific notes that means that someone, somewhere, knows a lot more about this universe than anyone on planet Earth.

 

[Gordon]

Are you denying the universe exists or that there must be higher intelligence in the universe because the evidence of space-vehicles turning up all over the place??

In my scientific notes that means that someone, somewhere, knows a lot more about this universe than anyone on planet Earth.

Could you elaborate on the space vehicles,
please,  Nick.

[NicholasMarks]

Could you elaborate on the space vehicles,
please,  Nick.

Put Ufo's or Nick Pope into your search engine on YouTube and you will get quite a response Gordon.

[Sebastian Toe]

Are you denying the universe exists or that there must be higher intelligence in the universe because the evidence of space-vehicles turning up all over the place??

You said

The disbeliever cannot deny that the universe exists and somewhere in the humongus depths of it all lives someone who knows more about it scientifically than anyone else.

I said that can and will be denied.
Note that you put an 'and' in your statement.

Are you now shifting the goalposts again Nick?
The sign of a slippery salesman rearing it's ugly head again Nick.
Unless of course you are murdering the English language yet again and in that Sparktionary 'and' actually means 'or'?

[NicholasMarks]

You said

I said that can and will be denied.
Note that you put an 'and' in your statement.

Are you now shifting the goalposts again Nick?
The sign of a slippery salesman rearing it's ugly head again Nick.
Unless of course you are murdering the English language yet again and in that Sparktionary 'and' actually means 'or'?

Both sentences say the same thing as far as I'm conerned Seb. I suspect you want to deny the existance of space-travellers but that is now beyond dispute. The Holy Bible is full of examples too. You just have to accept that we are dealing with a much more advanced people than us. That shouldn't be too hard.

[Sebastian Toe]

Both sentences say the same thing as far as I'm conerned Seb. I suspect you want to deny the existance of space-travellers but that is now beyond dispute.

Show me an undisputable piece of evidence for them then.

[floo]

Both sentences say the same thing as far as I'm conerned Seb. I suspect you want to deny the existance of space-travellers but that is now beyond dispute. The Holy Bible is full of examples too. You just have to accept that we are dealing with a much more advanced people than us. That shouldn't be too hard.

Where in the Bible does it mention space travellers, I must have missed that one?

[NicholasMarks]

Where in the Bible does it mention space travellers, I must have missed that one?

You didn't read John 18:36 then or wonder why all the angels disappeared after Jesus left...or wonder how Almighty God could be the owner of the entire universe that he couldn't have access to. Reading the Holy Bible begins to make a lot more sense when we see Almighty God as a Spirit with access to the whole universe both physically and spiritually...and if we put his science to the test much more is revealed according to our own life experiences...but it has to be the accurate science not iniquities..

[Khatru]

You didn't read John 18:36

Jesus replied, “My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my servants would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish authorities. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here.”

John 18:36

Nope, can't see any reference to space travellers there.

0/10 

Please try better.

[NicholasMarks]

John 18:36

Nope, can't see any reference to space travellers there.

0/10 

Please try better.

You are burying your head in that proverbial black hole now Khatru. You have to come to terms with the fact that the Holy  Bible is true in an absolute righteous sense and that sense yields a wonderful xcience...a science is only beneficial if we take it on board and many do this by faith so what chance have the  unfaithful got.

[floo]

You are burying your head in that proverbial black hole now Khatru. You have to come to terms with the fact that the Holy  Bible is true in an absolute righteous sense and that sense yields a wonderful xcience...a science is only beneficial if we take it on board and many do this by faith so what chance have the  unfaithful got.

NM it isn't a fact at all, just the way you see it and what you read into it. How do you view yourself, a prophet sent by your version of god to show us the error of our ways?

[Khatru]

You are burying your head in that proverbial black hole now Khatru. You have to come to terms with the fact that the Holy  Bible is true in an absolute righteous sense and that sense yields a wonderful xcience...a science is only beneficial if we take it on board and many do this by faith so what chance have the  unfaithful got.

You were asked to show where in the Bible it mentions space travellers.

You pointed to a particular scripture that makes no mention of them - you failed.

I suppose if I looked hard enough, I could find a scripture that refers to Elvis Presley. 

Wouldn't you agree?

Both Jesus and Elvis' fathers were carpenters - a clear prophecy of the coming of Elvis.

Jesus was taken to Memphis.  Elvis was also taken to Memphis

More than a coincidence - it's another Elvis prophecy.

[NicholasMarks]

You were asked to show where in the Bible it mentions space travellers.

You pointed to a particular scripture that makes no mention of them - you failed.

I suppose if I looked hard enough, I could find a scripture that refers to Elvis Presley. 

Wouldn't you agree?

Both Jesus and Elvis' fathers were carpenters - a clear prophecy of the coming of Elvis.

Jesus was taken to Memphis.  Elvis was also taken to Memphis

More than a coincidence - it's another Elvis prophecy.

There is one distinct difference between these two you make comparison with Khatru...One taught us a science which soothes and calms our inner electric being, for the purpose of health and resurrection whilst the other drove us to the hysterical limit of our endurance, using the same electric property but with much more dire consequences.

He (Elvis) built up a machine of like minded people all for the same purpose of squeezing the electric life-blood out of the young, the impreshionable, and the sons and daughters of those who were relying on the young generation to grow up and be responssible in a world that was fast abandoning all responsibility. Hence the world we live in today.

That might be fine for you Khatru but some of us hope for better...and we put our faith where our mouth is.

[floo]

Blimey NM, even for you that explanation is as clear as mud!

[Brownie]

NM, John Lennon said that before Elvis, there was nothing.  Don't diss the King!  He did more for people, young and old, and for music, than practically anyone before or since.  He was also, by all accounts, a decent man and quite a positive role model in his day.  Bless.